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Lets not forget, Canon completely fumbled onto the whole “D-SLR revolution” in the first place in their war with Nikon…if their video division knew anything about them making something that would kill…whatever they were working on after…what? ..the XL2 era of cameras? …they probably wouldn’t have even let it happen.

So once they realized the 5D was actually decent…they (typically) marked up their flagship way high…

…but at the same time, not looking forward the way Sony and Red seem to have been doing. Canon has basically had the same disposable camera model they’ve always had. Red has had the chip upgrades, and Sony has had F3 with 4.2.0, but then S-log, and the latest 2 cameras coming out (whatever they’re gonna be called)…

Canon’s disposable model may work for the canon/nikon still market (that’s what both brands have been doing for decades), but filmmakers spending upwards of $10k aren’t so willing to chuck the baby with the bathwater every couple of years…it seems all the other camera makers in the price range seems to recognize this.

I read here instead of on reduser or any camera specific forums *because* it’s not camera biased.

It’s starting to remind me of hillbilly Ford vs Chevy crap. “I’d rather push mah ‘ford than drahve a Cheve…” (or vise versa).

Um…I don’t know, but I’d rather just use whatever works…and that’s how I feel about cameras. I think Koo, Joe, and E.M. do a better job refraining from showing biases than most websites…and the readers that reply that have strong biases are the ones to quickly point out whatever biases don’t agree with them.

But…that being said…I’ve very glad this has been posted. On set, it would be very easy to miss. It’s a drawback of the tool. No big deal… (some of the reactions seem sort of extreme—if I just spent $16k and realized that the Scarlet doesn’t do it, I might also make such a reaction…)

But at least knowing this, it makes it easier to at least know what you’re in for, and whether you want to do something about it, just accept it, or reframe to avoid it…etc…

One thing many people fail to think about with scarlet vs c300 comparisons is the ergonomics. The same problem exists with something like an FS100. Run n gun would be impossible, whereas the c300 shines in this environment.

“Also as a Cinematographer, you should know that you shouldn’t over expose like that.”

You said that, on this thread. Just know, that phrase is on the internet forever. And you are going to have to live with that. Try go telling those words to you’re film school teacher. I highly suggest that you think about what you say, before you say it; from now on, if you ever want to become a cinematographer.

If you get your act together, and maybe start shooting film one day, you are going to have to overexpose a little bit, because with FILM, unlike DIGITAL, you can overexpose your highlights, in order to achieve more in your shadows and midtones, then “pull” down your highlights in post. This is common practice among cinematographers. Even cinematographers who shoot RED and ALEXA.

Figure it out, bud.

Why? Because Canon is a greedy company and it thrives on blind loyalty… starving their customers for features they really want while bilking them for every dollar they can get with cameras with piddling upgrades and few features better than the last model. Remember having to beg for 24P on the 5Dmk2. They eventually, capitulated but, they really wanted you to buy the 7D. Then, not even 60fps at 720P… you HAD to buy a 7D for that.

They are smart… seems that thousands of Canon fanboys WILL flock to the stores for anything Canon cares to dangle in front of them. Now the 5Dmk3 for $1K over the mk2, gimme a freakin’ break, same sensor size, no full HDMI out, o yea, 2 card slots and more focus points… I really needed those. And, I don’t know, maybe some people like mushy video.

The C300 is a joke. $16,000 for a camera stuck with an 8bit codec and modest dynamic range. But, I bet I couldn’t pry it out of the hands of a few guys I know (I’ll be nice and not call them idiots) who made that unfortunate purchase. The F3 outperforms it on EVERY LEVEL! If you couldn’t tell, I’m screaming that last line. And, don’t give me the, “yea, but, it’s smaller” thing, either. I held one of them and it ain’t that much smaller than the F3, sorry.

As I said, Canon thrives on blind loyalty which, seems to be quite abundant on this blog but, that ethic may have caught up with them now and, as Joe is only trying to point out to you, they’ve bottle-necked themselves. Canon is an upstart in the large chip video game and with the success of the 5Dmk2 and 7D, I think they got a little too big for their britches a little too fast. Canon is to Sony what Pluto is to Jupiter. Did anybody actually think Sony was going to sit around and let them walk off with this market?

If Joe doesn’t want to say it, I will… Sony has their shit together and Canon doesn’t. Looks like, to me (and a lot of other people that don’t have wool over their eyes) Sony is about to kick ass and take names.

FYI, I don’t work for Sony either but, I’m pretty good at recognizing a ‘pig in a poke’.

Could potentially be that there is an extremely aggressive denoise algorithm thats getting tripped up by clipped highlight edges. Like its averaging the clipped pixels and getting odd results. Since they have started with a 4k sensor they have a lot of room to pull a lot of trickery with the signal.

or

its Moire. But moire that is settting off the above mentioned denoiser. IT seems that it exists in the patch of concrete at the bottom of the screen as well. Blocks of semi transparent color. Very interesting.

thanks for posting this!
mike