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	<title>Comments on: Digital Bolex Not Stopping with the D16, May Release a Large Sensor 4K Camera in the Future</title>
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		<title>By: Jarrett Towe</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-329470</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarrett Towe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 05:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or you could forget the wait and build it now albeit in a less pretty but more functional package. Just sayin...

Help make it happen for Frankencam DIY RAW Video Camera Prototype on @indiegogo http://igg.me/p/337353/twtr/2411435]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or you could forget the wait and build it now albeit in a less pretty but more functional package. Just sayin&#8230;</p>
<p>Help make it happen for Frankencam DIY RAW Video Camera Prototype on @indiegogo <a href="http://igg.me/p/337353/twtr/2411435" rel="nofollow">http://igg.me/p/337353/twtr/2411435</a></p>
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		<title>By: BeefYak</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-320799</link>
		<dc:creator>BeefYak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Horrible looking interviews! This guy&#039;s a teacher? Why the half inch of focus?]]></description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Mimura</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-226715</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Mimura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sensor size does improve your image...drastically.  A crappy lens will look much sharper on a larger sensor...

This is from Ken Rockwell&#039;s site...  Scroll down to &quot;Use the right tools&quot;...he talks specifically about lens sharpness vs image plane size a little bit...how a crappy lens on a medium format camera will look great compared to a super sharp and super pricey SLR lens...

http://kenrockwell.com/tech/lens-sharpness.htm

I think idea of trying to get old 16mm lenses to shoot digitally is sort of...I dunno...misguided is strong a word, b/c there is an aesthetic you can get...but you can do that other ways.  Older SLR lenses can hold up better than old 16mm lenses b/c the image size keeps it&#039;s flaws a little better hidden.  So to take older 16mm lenses, (not as sharp just being older optics)...and combine them with a sensor that&#039;s the size to make those flaws apparent is one reason why sensor size does matter, drastically (unless you&#039;re going for that look)...I suspect most users or potential buyers for this are *not* going for that look, in which case they should stick to larger sensors.  

(All this is also excluding how a small depth of field gives you an apparent sharpness but that&#039;s another topic entirely, but one that does improve your image.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sensor size does improve your image&#8230;drastically.  A crappy lens will look much sharper on a larger sensor&#8230;</p>
<p>This is from Ken Rockwell&#8217;s site&#8230;  Scroll down to &#8220;Use the right tools&#8221;&#8230;he talks specifically about lens sharpness vs image plane size a little bit&#8230;how a crappy lens on a medium format camera will look great compared to a super sharp and super pricey SLR lens&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://kenrockwell.com/tech/lens-sharpness.htm" rel="nofollow">http://kenrockwell.com/tech/lens-sharpness.htm</a></p>
<p>I think idea of trying to get old 16mm lenses to shoot digitally is sort of&#8230;I dunno&#8230;misguided is strong a word, b/c there is an aesthetic you can get&#8230;but you can do that other ways.  Older SLR lenses can hold up better than old 16mm lenses b/c the image size keeps it&#8217;s flaws a little better hidden.  So to take older 16mm lenses, (not as sharp just being older optics)&#8230;and combine them with a sensor that&#8217;s the size to make those flaws apparent is one reason why sensor size does matter, drastically (unless you&#8217;re going for that look)&#8230;I suspect most users or potential buyers for this are *not* going for that look, in which case they should stick to larger sensors.  </p>
<p>(All this is also excluding how a small depth of field gives you an apparent sharpness but that&#8217;s another topic entirely, but one that does improve your image.)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Mimura</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-226707</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Mimura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A major argument about what he talks about with the &quot;look&quot; of the films and shows he&#039;s comparing his camera to is the fact that all three he mentions are SHOT ON FILM.

He mentions the Hurt Locker, The Walking Dead, and Moonrise Kingdom...

Sure, the small film plane/image sensor may have *something* to do with the look...but I think it&#039;s of less of an impact than he&#039;s alluding to in his interview.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A major argument about what he talks about with the &#8220;look&#8221; of the films and shows he&#8217;s comparing his camera to is the fact that all three he mentions are SHOT ON FILM.</p>
<p>He mentions the Hurt Locker, The Walking Dead, and Moonrise Kingdom&#8230;</p>
<p>Sure, the small film plane/image sensor may have *something* to do with the look&#8230;but I think it&#8217;s of less of an impact than he&#8217;s alluding to in his interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-223903</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 22:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Everyone, 

Sathya;

We will be including Cinema DNG editing and transcoding software with the D16. This means you can edit your footage, or at least make a list of your selects before you transcode so you don&#039;t end up transcoding everything. It will be a much different experience from AVCHD.


amband;

If and when we release a 4K camera it will likely be very similar to the D16, but higher res, so yes uncompressed. 

And as far as 90% of people, we hope that in the near future many many more people will be able to make a living making movies. If we use the music industry as a model we can get to a place where people aren&#039;t getting rich making movies, but are getting to do what they love. We will be working hard, not just to produce cameras, but help influence a market place that helps make this possible.

Thanks everyone for your support,   Joe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everyone, </p>
<p>Sathya;</p>
<p>We will be including Cinema DNG editing and transcoding software with the D16. This means you can edit your footage, or at least make a list of your selects before you transcode so you don&#8217;t end up transcoding everything. It will be a much different experience from AVCHD.</p>
<p>amband;</p>
<p>If and when we release a 4K camera it will likely be very similar to the D16, but higher res, so yes uncompressed. </p>
<p>And as far as 90% of people, we hope that in the near future many many more people will be able to make a living making movies. If we use the music industry as a model we can get to a place where people aren&#8217;t getting rich making movies, but are getting to do what they love. We will be working hard, not just to produce cameras, but help influence a market place that helps make this possible.</p>
<p>Thanks everyone for your support,   Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Sathya Vijayendran</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-223306</link>
		<dc:creator>Sathya Vijayendran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 14:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a shooter and editor running a business, I think the best option is the one where you&#039;re not wasting time converting footage for editing. The BM camera offers Avid and ProRes, and that outweighs sensor specs and monitor sizes to me. I have the AF100, and the worst part is the AVCHD codec and converting everything. Since BM makes software, I&#039;m more interested in their &quot;closed ecosystem&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a shooter and editor running a business, I think the best option is the one where you&#8217;re not wasting time converting footage for editing. The BM camera offers Avid and ProRes, and that outweighs sensor specs and monitor sizes to me. I have the AF100, and the worst part is the AVCHD codec and converting everything. Since BM makes software, I&#8217;m more interested in their &#8220;closed ecosystem&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-223071</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s respectable, at least he didn&#039;t dress like a clown...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s respectable, at least he didn&#8217;t dress like a clown&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: amband</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-222875</link>
		<dc:creator>amband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 08:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[great camera and great effort getting it done.  Thing is, 90% of people that purchase it will never use the camera for what is was designed, namely cinema.

The rest who use it for TV and Youtube will lose the effect as they compress everything.  Big RAW files will cost near as much as film LOL

Still very lovely camera indeed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great camera and great effort getting it done.  Thing is, 90% of people that purchase it will never use the camera for what is was designed, namely cinema.</p>
<p>The rest who use it for TV and Youtube will lose the effect as they compress everything.  Big RAW files will cost near as much as film LOL</p>
<p>Still very lovely camera indeed</p>
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		<title>By: amband</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-222873</link>
		<dc:creator>amband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 07:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[will the 4k be uncompressed or compressed?  Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will the 4k be uncompressed or compressed?  Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-222841</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 05:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mine too!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine too!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-222528</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 15:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hah. made my day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hah. made my day.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Butler</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-222250</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 02:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The vid&#039;s an edit. Shame to see this thread getting so personal. If these guys pull this off it&#039;s gonna be nothing short of awesome. Proof will be in the pudding so let&#039;s wait and see. All the best to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vid&#8217;s an edit. Shame to see this thread getting so personal. If these guys pull this off it&#8217;s gonna be nothing short of awesome. Proof will be in the pudding so let&#8217;s wait and see. All the best to them.</p>
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		<title>By: FabDex</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-222167</link>
		<dc:creator>FabDex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with you on this one. I can&#039;t get pas t the &quot;garage&quot; feel of the company. And, before anyone says that Apple started in a garage: they&#039;ll never be Apple. I wish them all the luck, but I have zero interest in their product. Vaporware.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on this one. I can&#8217;t get pas t the &#8220;garage&#8221; feel of the company. And, before anyone says that Apple started in a garage: they&#8217;ll never be Apple. I wish them all the luck, but I have zero interest in their product. Vaporware.</p>
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		<title>By: John P. Hess</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-222151</link>
		<dc:creator>John P. Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe - don&#039;t feed the bears. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe &#8211; don&#8217;t feed the bears. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-222066</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok that&#039;s fair, let me please change my argument to &quot;None of these cameras are ready for the market until I can get the full use out of my 2,000+ glass I invested in&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok that&#8217;s fair, let me please change my argument to &#8220;None of these cameras are ready for the market until I can get the full use out of my 2,000+ glass I invested in&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lliam Worthington</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-221899</link>
		<dc:creator>Lliam Worthington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha! Hilarious post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Hilarious post.</p>
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		<title>By: Lachlan Huddy</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-221889</link>
		<dc:creator>Lachlan Huddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lotta hate on the DB guys for talking about the future. How many people actually watched the video? Talk of planned releases was minimal; talk of the S16 camera very much in the forefront. I&#039;m not an investor so my stake&#039;s lower, but I thought the interviews showed two people committed to making a great camera. Plus, wouldn&#039;t you like to wait a bit longer and get a better machine than get a piece o&#039;crap on time?

And chill, Roy - your opinion matters here, but only when it bears on film or filmmaking. This is NoFilmSchool, not No- or ProGunSchool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lotta hate on the DB guys for talking about the future. How many people actually watched the video? Talk of planned releases was minimal; talk of the S16 camera very much in the forefront. I&#8217;m not an investor so my stake&#8217;s lower, but I thought the interviews showed two people committed to making a great camera. Plus, wouldn&#8217;t you like to wait a bit longer and get a better machine than get a piece o&#8217;crap on time?</p>
<p>And chill, Roy &#8211; your opinion matters here, but only when it bears on film or filmmaking. This is NoFilmSchool, not No- or ProGunSchool.</p>
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		<title>By: Sico</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-221876</link>
		<dc:creator>Sico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The anamorphic function is the shit, and super 16mm lenses are way better then common canon glass.
I think Digital bolex has the upperhand, but they don&#039;t have the media hype.

C-mount is adaptable to anything and EF mount is basicly crap.
For this crop factor of what these 2 cameras have, the D16 is the winner, Mount wise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anamorphic function is the shit, and super 16mm lenses are way better then common canon glass.<br />
I think Digital bolex has the upperhand, but they don&#8217;t have the media hype.</p>
<p>C-mount is adaptable to anything and EF mount is basicly crap.<br />
For this crop factor of what these 2 cameras have, the D16 is the winner, Mount wise.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roy does make a very interesting point regarding the clothing, which I hope this will open up a lively and constructive debate.

Appearance does mean quite a bit, both on set and for investment pitching.  All of this, of course, depends upon the client, but generally speaking:

-corporate shoots I&#039;ve been on have requested business-casual clothing.  Everyone else in the room for an insurance agency seminary, for example, comes to work in a suit and tie (ladies in their equivalent).  

-weddings have required me to be in at least dress pants and a button-down.  Over the past few years, I&#039;ve seen quite a few photographers and videographers show up in khakis, a plaid shirt, and dress sneakers.  This would probably be fine if you were extremely close with the couple to-be-wed, or if it was a very informal/casual wedding.  However, more often than not, contracted shooters have shown up looking like this to pretty formal weddings.

-Set work gets, tricky, but I think this still depends on the client (or director, if it&#039;s a narrative).  Crews I&#039;ve worked with have been fine showing up in relatively casual clothing.  It does say something to the client/director, however, if you show up in ripped clothes and generally look like a mess.

Finally, this brings us to investment-pitching.  If you&#039;re going to present an idea in-person to someone or a handful of people that can make or break your idea&#039;s reality, I&#039;d imagine you generally can&#039;t Mark Zuckerberg it and show up in a hoodie to pitch to Peter Thiel.   

However, the innovation of Kickstarter allows people like Elle and Joe to dress how they normally would and pitch to the world.  If they lose a few potential backers like Roy because of appearance, so be it.  Kickstarter&#039;s beauty is that you&#039;re not biting your nails if someone potentially huge doesn&#039;t support you - there will be hundreds of others that will still take interest in your idea and support it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy does make a very interesting point regarding the clothing, which I hope this will open up a lively and constructive debate.</p>
<p>Appearance does mean quite a bit, both on set and for investment pitching.  All of this, of course, depends upon the client, but generally speaking:</p>
<p>-corporate shoots I&#8217;ve been on have requested business-casual clothing.  Everyone else in the room for an insurance agency seminary, for example, comes to work in a suit and tie (ladies in their equivalent).  </p>
<p>-weddings have required me to be in at least dress pants and a button-down.  Over the past few years, I&#8217;ve seen quite a few photographers and videographers show up in khakis, a plaid shirt, and dress sneakers.  This would probably be fine if you were extremely close with the couple to-be-wed, or if it was a very informal/casual wedding.  However, more often than not, contracted shooters have shown up looking like this to pretty formal weddings.</p>
<p>-Set work gets, tricky, but I think this still depends on the client (or director, if it&#8217;s a narrative).  Crews I&#8217;ve worked with have been fine showing up in relatively casual clothing.  It does say something to the client/director, however, if you show up in ripped clothes and generally look like a mess.</p>
<p>Finally, this brings us to investment-pitching.  If you&#8217;re going to present an idea in-person to someone or a handful of people that can make or break your idea&#8217;s reality, I&#8217;d imagine you generally can&#8217;t Mark Zuckerberg it and show up in a hoodie to pitch to Peter Thiel.   </p>
<p>However, the innovation of Kickstarter allows people like Elle and Joe to dress how they normally would and pitch to the world.  If they lose a few potential backers like Roy because of appearance, so be it.  Kickstarter&#8217;s beauty is that you&#8217;re not biting your nails if someone potentially huge doesn&#8217;t support you &#8211; there will be hundreds of others that will still take interest in your idea and support it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Hustlington</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/08/digital-bolex-may-release-4k-camera/comment-page-1/#comment-221835</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Hustlington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John is above and beyond your feeble human laws. All hail john jeffreys, master of the universe.

Also, someone should pester Aaton to make a digital version of the XTR alongside the Penelope Delta. That would be badass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John is above and beyond your feeble human laws. All hail john jeffreys, master of the universe.</p>
<p>Also, someone should pester Aaton to make a digital version of the XTR alongside the Penelope Delta. That would be badass.</p>
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