September 27, 2012

Your Mission, Should You Choose to Accept It, is to Track Down These New Lenses from Schneider

Micro 4/3. Super35. Full Frame. And everything in between! There are a lot of needs for cinema lenses these days -- and by cinema lenses I mean optics with manual aperture rings and focus gears -- and, compared to the still lens market, not a lot of options. But while Schneider has announced new cinema lenses, I can't seem to find many details about them. Here's what we know:

According to Cinescopophilia, "Schneider-Kreuznach have released new Video Xenon lenses specifically designed for large sensor video capable DSLR & cine style cameras." These 4K, full frame lenses are apparently to come in three flavors: T2.1 / 25mm, T2.1 / 50mm, and T2.1 / 75mm. However Cinescopophilia says "have released" as if they're already available... but I can't find them anywhere.

Then there's Film and Digital Times chiming in with this photo and blurb:

Schneider has three new 24×36 Xenon lenses, intended for still photography, but with Canon and Nikon DSLR mounts, is PL imminent.

Intended for still photography, really? They're called "Video Xenon." And what the hell does "is PL imminent" mean? Presumably a PL version or adapter will be available... after they are... but they're not yet? More confused than ever! Plus, between the Schneider Optics and Schneider-Kreuznach sites, which I shall describe favorably as "classic," good luck tracking down details, press releases, or prices of these lenses.

And then there are even more new lenses from Schneider floating around, including a tilt-shift lens, as well as a few Micro 4/3 lenses (which I do think are intended for still photography and not video).

As far as the Micro 4/3 lenses are concerned, at Photokino Schneider announced:

Schneider-Kreuznach presents its new range of lenses for mirrorless system cameras of the Micro Four Thirds standard at this year’s photokina in Cologne. The first lens in the series, a 14 mm wide-angle lens, will be available on the market by the third quarter of 2013. In the fourth quarter of 2013, it will be followed by a 30 mm universal lens and a 60 mm macro version.

In the fourth quarter of 2013? Okay, well at least that's more than we know about the Video Xenon lenses which may or may not be related to their Cine-Xenar line (those are the Cine-Xenar III lenses, there are also Cine-Xenar II lenses). Confused yet? Scroll around in this Wikipedia entry and be prepared to be further baffled.

As best I can keep track of, via PhotoRumors here is a list of all the lenses Schneider has announced that are new -- including some DSLR lenses with an aperture of 1.4 -- and will be available... at some point:

  • Schneider-Kreuznach Video Xenon T 2.1 / 25 full frame lens for HD videography
  • Schneider-Kreuznach Video Xenon T 2.1 / 50 full frame lens for HD videography
  • Schneider-Kreuznach Video Xenon T 2.1 / 75 full frame lens for HD videography
  • Schneider-Kreuznach Macro lens Makro-Symmar 2,4/85
  • Schneider-Kreuznach Wide-angle lens PC-TS Super-Angulon 4,5/28 HM Aspheric
  • Schneider-Kreuznach Wide-angle lens Xenon 1,4/35
  • Schneider-Kreuznach Universal lens Xenon 1,4/50
  • Schneider-Kreuznach 28/4.5 Super-Angulon Aspheric wide angle tilt-shift lens

If anyone can find any info about these lenses, specifically the Video Xenon line, such as how much they're going to cost, please let the rest of us know. This message will self-destruct in five seconds.

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What's up with describing a lens as "4K"? RED has a smaller sensor than the 5Dmk3 or any other full-frame sensor camera out there; how does 4K figure into the lens? I'm sure there's an answer, somebody school me.

September 27, 2012

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Usually has to do with the resolving power of the lens.

September 27, 2012

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Chad

I find lens resolution an interesting notion. The still lenses we've been using for digital cameras need to perform on some staggering megapixel counts, so I chuckle a little when I see 4K ready. Even the old lenses we shot with for film in the past had to perform for its massive "resolution."

Then again...I'm no lens engineer and would be interested to learn what the deal is.

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Kevin

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Chad

Good link Chad Luminous Landscapes is one of my favorite sites. I Got my first camera (dslr) in 2008 and that site has been as important in learning as any book I've ever bought.

September 27, 2012

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Gary Simmons

That's a good question. Schneider made a point to note that it's meant to resolve 4K which typically with still lenses isn't a point that needs to be made since 35mm film was not lacking in resolution. However I think in the video world where some cameras max out at 1080p, since they're labeling their lenses with Video they also want to clarify that they're designed for 4K resolution cameras.

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Ryan Koo
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That definitely makes sense, now that I think about it. I doubt the fixed lenses on some older HD camera, or even new ones with small sensors really need to resolve more that 1080p, so they can be made to a "lower" standard.

September 27, 2012

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Kevin

Keep in mind too that a lens designed to resolve 4-5k on a 5d or other full frame camera might only resolve ~2k on an S35 camera since S35 is half the size of FF35.

September 28, 2012

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Gabe

Actually that'd be more like ~3k. Brain's a little slow tonight.

September 28, 2012

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Gabe

You got that from the lens tests part of reduser. good man. thats like the cool kids section of the film section of the internet.

September 27, 2012

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john jeffreys

The Cine-Xenar II's are just the previous model of the new Xenar III's pricing for which can be found on their website. I believe it was somewhere between 7-9k a piece. Duclos will be carrying them shortly but they are currently out of stock (most likely because they barely exist). http://www.ducloslenses.com/collections/schneider/products/schneider-cin...

September 27, 2012

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I can't be happier seeing all these new cinema type lenses coming out this year. Hopefully with competition the prices will be a little less or a lot less!
Save your money folks because glass will last a lot longer than that new camera you want to replace every year.

September 27, 2012

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The main difference (if I understand correctly) being the Xenon's are converted stills glass. Whereas the Xenar's are a ground up cine-designed optic array.

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Gary Simmons

The Cine-Xenar II lenses are different both in name and appearance from these Video Xenon lenses, though, right?

September 28, 2012

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Ryan Koo
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I talked to a guy from schneider at the cinec in munich and he told me that the video xenon are prototype lenses so far and will be nikon and canon mount only. They are a completly new design and have nothing in common with the Cine Xenar series. Expected price will be around 3000 Euro, the probably will ship in late 2013.

September 28, 2012

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Strange that video lenses should only be offered in mounts designed for reflex cameras. Do you know if it's just the 3 focal lengths shown in the picture, or will they have something wider?

September 28, 2012

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nobody

sorry, i have no more information about that, but i think their target is the DSLR market, since the Cine Xenar III are no more competitive to the Zeiss CP2 in terms of their price.

And in terms of wider lenses, would be a wise decision to do so when targeting BMC owners...

September 28, 2012

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Schneider Kreuznach produziert parallel weiterhin die im Bildmaterial gezeigten MPTV-Objektiven der Cine-Xenar-III-Serie – doch die neue HDSLR-Objektive sind speziell für Vollformat-Kameras gerechnet. Bilder von den neuen Optiken gibt es noch keine, denn als erste der neuen Serie wird es die 75-mm-Festbrennweite ab der ersten Jahreshälfte 2013 geben. Die Preise für die neue Serie stehen ebenfalls noch nicht fest.
This from:
http://www.videoaktiv.de/201209288093/News/Foto/Schneider-Kreuznach-HDSL...

Basicaly it says these lenses are a parralell development to the existing Xenar III series, specially made for full format canon and nikon camera's. The 75 mm lens is expected first half of 2013, the others later.

No pricing known yet.

September 28, 2012

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Ratsrats

Dankeschön.

September 28, 2012

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Ryan Koo
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what a clever marketing strategy haha

September 29, 2012

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Robert