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	<title>Comments on: Want Adjustable Depth of Field in Post? You Don&#039;t Need Lytro, Now You Can Use a DSLR</title>
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		<title>By: Wayne Morellini</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/12/adjustable-depth-field-post-dslr/comment-page-1/#comment-288721</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Morellini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 06:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is one of the many methods I came up with as alternatives to lytro. I last talked about it over at reduser, where I ask if their single lens 3D firmware upgrade was one of a number of things. If you look at what you can do with this and Lytro, you can identify weaknesses. 

Also, looking at the original pre lytro research news thread over at dvinfonet years ago, is informative, as I layout an even simpler alternative technique to lytro.

I am still considering wherever to design a commercial mass production low cost pro 3D camera platform using the best techniques I have identified.  There is still strength and ability in individual effort compared to Red, BMC, Sony, Lytro and all etc big boys.  All their effort is like figs in a tree ready to fall off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the many methods I came up with as alternatives to lytro. I last talked about it over at reduser, where I ask if their single lens 3D firmware upgrade was one of a number of things. If you look at what you can do with this and Lytro, you can identify weaknesses. </p>
<p>Also, looking at the original pre lytro research news thread over at dvinfonet years ago, is informative, as I layout an even simpler alternative technique to lytro.</p>
<p>I am still considering wherever to design a commercial mass production low cost pro 3D camera platform using the best techniques I have identified.  There is still strength and ability in individual effort compared to Red, BMC, Sony, Lytro and all etc big boys.  All their effort is like figs in a tree ready to fall off.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Barak</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/12/adjustable-depth-field-post-dslr/comment-page-1/#comment-287159</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Barak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good observation - you&#039;re absolutely right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good observation &#8211; you&#8217;re absolutely right.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidM</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/12/adjustable-depth-field-post-dslr/comment-page-1/#comment-287152</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I&#039;m seeing; Focal-Plane and adjusted NOT Depth of Field (big difference). Maybe just a typo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m seeing; Focal-Plane and adjusted NOT Depth of Field (big difference). Maybe just a typo.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Barak</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/12/adjustable-depth-field-post-dslr/comment-page-1/#comment-286621</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Barak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 02:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great, thanks Jules!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, thanks Jules!</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It appears the only limitation is cross browser friendly file types, a requested 0.5 - 3 meg average file size and a 2-3 second steady video of a focus rack. In theory you could shoot one on your phone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears the only limitation is cross browser friendly file types, a requested 0.5 &#8211; 3 meg average file size and a 2-3 second steady video of a focus rack. In theory you could shoot one on your phone.</p>
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		<title>By: O'Ryan McEntire</title>
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		<dc:creator>O'Ryan McEntire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Totally agree! I thought the same things when I heard about the Lytro.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree! I thought the same things when I heard about the Lytro.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Barak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Barak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Pretty pointless.&quot;
&quot;But still think this entire Adjustable Depth thing doesn’t make much sense.&quot;
&quot;Pure crap&quot;

I&#039;m glad to see there are a few people here - other than those I&#039;ve quoted - that can think outside the box. I&#039;ve got at least one use for it already. I&#039;ll probably pick up a Lytro at some point, but for now this video trick will work.  Does anyone know why this wouldn&#039;t work with a standard video camera (Red or something like that)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pretty pointless.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;But still think this entire Adjustable Depth thing doesn’t make much sense.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Pure crap&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see there are a few people here &#8211; other than those I&#8217;ve quoted &#8211; that can think outside the box. I&#8217;ve got at least one use for it already. I&#8217;ll probably pick up a Lytro at some point, but for now this video trick will work.  Does anyone know why this wouldn&#8217;t work with a standard video camera (Red or something like that)?</p>
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		<title>By: David S.</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/12/adjustable-depth-field-post-dslr/comment-page-1/#comment-285556</link>
		<dc:creator>David S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, they are missing the point. Not as much with this; as someone has pointed out, it&#039;s not the same thing as Lytro/light field imagery. Comments like carlos&#039;s just make my eyes roll. Just because you are limiting your imagination doesn&#039;t mean all of us are. It&#039;s not just about fixing things in post (though that is a valid use). It&#039;s also adding a new depth of interaction for the viewer. Multiple stories can be told in a single frame, and the viewer, not the director, has the power to choose which one to pay attention to. That&#039;s big. That&#039;s a huge shift in the artform, particularly if this technology can one day be adopted for video purposes. It&#039;s like handing the focus pulling whip to the viewer, and they choose what is important. 

And others have shared ideas for uses - journalism, product displays, and I really liked someone&#039;s thought about 3D abilities. There are a lot of possibilties.

So, no, carlos, I completely disagree. It wouldn&#039;t just make for a lot of shitty filmmaking. Would some use it that way? Of course. The same is true for stabilization in post (&quot;I don&#039;t need a tripod! I have warp stabilizer!&quot;), ISO abuse (&quot;We don&#039;t need lights - it&#039;s a DSLR!&quot;), depth-of-field overload (&quot;We don&#039;t need to build a set - we&#039;ll blur the background out anyway&quot;), etc., etc. Just because some will abuse it doesn&#039;t make it bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, they are missing the point. Not as much with this; as someone has pointed out, it&#8217;s not the same thing as Lytro/light field imagery. Comments like carlos&#8217;s just make my eyes roll. Just because you are limiting your imagination doesn&#8217;t mean all of us are. It&#8217;s not just about fixing things in post (though that is a valid use). It&#8217;s also adding a new depth of interaction for the viewer. Multiple stories can be told in a single frame, and the viewer, not the director, has the power to choose which one to pay attention to. That&#8217;s big. That&#8217;s a huge shift in the artform, particularly if this technology can one day be adopted for video purposes. It&#8217;s like handing the focus pulling whip to the viewer, and they choose what is important. </p>
<p>And others have shared ideas for uses &#8211; journalism, product displays, and I really liked someone&#8217;s thought about 3D abilities. There are a lot of possibilties.</p>
<p>So, no, carlos, I completely disagree. It wouldn&#8217;t just make for a lot of shitty filmmaking. Would some use it that way? Of course. The same is true for stabilization in post (&#8220;I don&#8217;t need a tripod! I have warp stabilizer!&#8221;), ISO abuse (&#8220;We don&#8217;t need lights &#8211; it&#8217;s a DSLR!&#8221;), depth-of-field overload (&#8220;We don&#8217;t need to build a set &#8211; we&#8217;ll blur the background out anyway&#8221;), etc., etc. Just because some will abuse it doesn&#8217;t make it bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/12/adjustable-depth-field-post-dslr/comment-page-1/#comment-285256</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that&#039;s very clever and cool. 

However, Lytro still has one massive advantage (in addition to resolution): you can take a picture of someone or something in motion and change the focus. Recording 2-3 seconds of video to get the same effect only works on purely static images (even in the example above, the water changes a bit as you change focus).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s very clever and cool. </p>
<p>However, Lytro still has one massive advantage (in addition to resolution): you can take a picture of someone or something in motion and change the focus. Recording 2-3 seconds of video to get the same effect only works on purely static images (even in the example above, the water changes a bit as you change focus).</p>
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		<title>By: hansd</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/12/adjustable-depth-field-post-dslr/comment-page-1/#comment-285020</link>
		<dc:creator>hansd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that&#039;s true!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s true!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard van den Boogaard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard van den Boogaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 07:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally! Someone with a light bulb...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally! Someone with a light bulb&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: c.d.embrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>c.d.embrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 03:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has NOTHING to do with film-making!!! But it could be a way to MAKE MONEY with your VDSLR.

As an example. You have a room full of &quot;product,&quot; it could be fashion or it could be furniture. The customer can shift focus from one dress to another, or from one chair to another. Is this a gimic?? Sure it is!! If it helps a company to sell their product, than you can MAKE MONEY by supplying this Magical SERVICE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has NOTHING to do with film-making!!! But it could be a way to MAKE MONEY with your VDSLR.</p>
<p>As an example. You have a room full of &#8220;product,&#8221; it could be fashion or it could be furniture. The customer can shift focus from one dress to another, or from one chair to another. Is this a gimic?? Sure it is!! If it helps a company to sell their product, than you can MAKE MONEY by supplying this Magical SERVICE.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If this (one day when computers can handle it) can be used as video, then I think green screens will be a thing of the past. If, in post, you can differentiate between depths, then you should be able to make software that can erase information from a certain range back. Also, goodbye focus-pullers. And to a limited extent, it should be able to do 3D without all the duel cam set-up since it can do a slight parallax shift. Thats why this stuff is cool. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this (one day when computers can handle it) can be used as video, then I think green screens will be a thing of the past. If, in post, you can differentiate between depths, then you should be able to make software that can erase information from a certain range back. Also, goodbye focus-pullers. And to a limited extent, it should be able to do 3D without all the duel cam set-up since it can do a slight parallax shift. Thats why this stuff is cool. :)</p>
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		<title>By: carlos</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2012/12/adjustable-depth-field-post-dslr/comment-page-1/#comment-284754</link>
		<dc:creator>carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it would make for a lot of shitty film making, which there is already enough of]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it would make for a lot of shitty film making, which there is already enough of</p>
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		<title>By: maghoxfr</title>
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		<dc:creator>maghoxfr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think  all the comments dismissing this as pointless are just considering as a standalone application rather than something that could lead to a greater thing. Sure, this thing might be pointless as it is, but what if the cameras include this technology on their firmware and allowed us to use this in post to correct focus? It would be great.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think  all the comments dismissing this as pointless are just considering as a standalone application rather than something that could lead to a greater thing. Sure, this thing might be pointless as it is, but what if the cameras include this technology on their firmware and allowed us to use this in post to correct focus? It would be great.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard van den Boogaard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard van den Boogaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I mean, look at how &quot;animated gifs&quot; have recently seen a full resurrection in fashion photography. Presented as the latest &amp; greatest, it really is technology from the early days of the Internet (1994ish).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, look at how &#8220;animated gifs&#8221; have recently seen a full resurrection in fashion photography. Presented as the latest &amp; greatest, it really is technology from the early days of the Internet (1994ish).</p>
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		<title>By: Richard van den Boogaard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard van den Boogaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could see this working for journalists, not so much filmmakers.

For journalists, it&#039;s kind of fun to allow viewers/readers/users to be able to choose where they&#039;d like to put the focus inside a &quot;picture&quot;.

For film, the only use for this technique I could see is if you have an actor using a screen (iPad with surveillance footage?) in a scene and he&#039;s is magically able to shift focus. Instead of doing it all in post, you can simply record the action in a single take.

One caveat - it seems to work primarily with non-moving objects, although it might be fun do a little test with a focus pull on a character that is moving towards or away from the camera. That way, users are able to reposition the person just by clicking the focal plane point. Add a soundboard to it and soon you&#039;ll be making a live focus mix.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could see this working for journalists, not so much filmmakers.</p>
<p>For journalists, it&#8217;s kind of fun to allow viewers/readers/users to be able to choose where they&#8217;d like to put the focus inside a &#8220;picture&#8221;.</p>
<p>For film, the only use for this technique I could see is if you have an actor using a screen (iPad with surveillance footage?) in a scene and he&#8217;s is magically able to shift focus. Instead of doing it all in post, you can simply record the action in a single take.</p>
<p>One caveat &#8211; it seems to work primarily with non-moving objects, although it might be fun do a little test with a focus pull on a character that is moving towards or away from the camera. That way, users are able to reposition the person just by clicking the focal plane point. Add a soundboard to it and soon you&#8217;ll be making a live focus mix.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pictures don&#039;t exist embedded.  Really what&#039;s the point?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pictures don&#8217;t exist embedded.  Really what&#8217;s the point?</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cool! but I have not yet found a way I would use the effect. I need some creative genius to inspire me ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cool! but I have not yet found a way I would use the effect. I need some creative genius to inspire me ;)</p>
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		<title>By: jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pure crap]]></description>
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