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	<title>Comments on: 4K Arrives at CES 2013: Budget Westinghouse TVs, Netflix Streaming UHD, 20-Inch Panasonic 4K Tablet</title>
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		<title>By: Come Development Hell or High Water, Sony PS4K is Coming (But with 100GB Downloads?) - NoFilmSchool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Come Development Hell or High Water, Sony PS4K is Coming (But with 100GB Downloads?) - NoFilmSchool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 13:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] seem to have a clear strategy for 4K home delivery. Do you need Sony&#8217;s 4K TV to access it, or don&#8217;t you? It&#8217;s now looking like either will be answered &#8220;yes.&#8221; This is because another [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] seem to have a clear strategy for 4K home delivery. Do you need Sony&#8217;s 4K TV to access it, or don&#8217;t you? It&#8217;s now looking like either will be answered &#8220;yes.&#8221; This is because another [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Canada still set to be forgotten by Netflix — TheTelecomBlog.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canada still set to be forgotten by Netflix — TheTelecomBlog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] CES, Netflix announced that it would be releasing two major features to the service – 3D versions of modern films and the ability to watch films in super [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: PeterK</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[4K for high-end purposes is here now. One example is 4K cinema projection. And that is the most reasonable 4K use. But do the audiences really care? I think they care much more about decent movies than about amazing image quality..

Strangly people don&#039;t seem to understand, that 4K for home use is something completely different. I believe it&#039;s for pixel-peepers mainly. People who will be leaning close to their new 4K screen, marveling at pixel-level detail. But consumers are not pixel-peepers. They don&#039;t focus on image quality, they try to enjoy the content. Sitting far away from the screen in a comfy sofa, probably having some food &amp; drink on the side.

Many have posted good articles on this topic, Google it up.

Just don&#039;t try to convince your selves and others, that 2K is dead and 4K is the new necessity. RED moving into 4K big time is great. But 4K still has to move into the mainstream (cinema, broadcast, streaming). And that is more than a couple of years away. By that time your new cutting edge 4K RED/Sony/Canon camera will be on eBay, and you will be convincing your self that you need the new 8K future-proof stuff - while the vast majority of people will still be happy watching 1080p content on their 40-50&quot; TVs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4K for high-end purposes is here now. One example is 4K cinema projection. And that is the most reasonable 4K use. But do the audiences really care? I think they care much more about decent movies than about amazing image quality..</p>
<p>Strangly people don&#8217;t seem to understand, that 4K for home use is something completely different. I believe it&#8217;s for pixel-peepers mainly. People who will be leaning close to their new 4K screen, marveling at pixel-level detail. But consumers are not pixel-peepers. They don&#8217;t focus on image quality, they try to enjoy the content. Sitting far away from the screen in a comfy sofa, probably having some food &amp; drink on the side.</p>
<p>Many have posted good articles on this topic, Google it up.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t try to convince your selves and others, that 2K is dead and 4K is the new necessity. RED moving into 4K big time is great. But 4K still has to move into the mainstream (cinema, broadcast, streaming). And that is more than a couple of years away. By that time your new cutting edge 4K RED/Sony/Canon camera will be on eBay, and you will be convincing your self that you need the new 8K future-proof stuff &#8211; while the vast majority of people will still be happy watching 1080p content on their 40-50&#8243; TVs.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterK</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2013/01/4k-ces-2013-westinghouse-netflix-panasonic-tablet/comment-page-1/#comment-305248</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3D was pushed really hard, but it did not work out the way the companies wanted. Many established TV makers had major loses in the past few years. No one I know cares about 3D. Consumers just want a decent but cheap HD TV. They often don&#039;t even want the largest TVs they can afford.

In cinemas they usually only watch 3D because it&#039;s the only option. They don&#039;t know what&#039;s resolution or dynamic range or highlight roll-off. They don&#039;t notice overexposed areas, they don&#039;t notice ugly digital chroma noise (such as was in Dredd). Quite often they don&#039;t even notice 1080p/720p difference.

So why should they care for imperceptible 4K home experience? There are zero pixel-peepers among the consumers. Based on these opinions I believe that for consumers (vast majority of population) 1080p is quite enough. No one is going to throw it out of the equation just because 4K will be an option. 1080p will always be cheaper and faster to download. Convenience against pixel-peeping? Yeah right..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3D was pushed really hard, but it did not work out the way the companies wanted. Many established TV makers had major loses in the past few years. No one I know cares about 3D. Consumers just want a decent but cheap HD TV. They often don&#8217;t even want the largest TVs they can afford.</p>
<p>In cinemas they usually only watch 3D because it&#8217;s the only option. They don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s resolution or dynamic range or highlight roll-off. They don&#8217;t notice overexposed areas, they don&#8217;t notice ugly digital chroma noise (such as was in Dredd). Quite often they don&#8217;t even notice 1080p/720p difference.</p>
<p>So why should they care for imperceptible 4K home experience? There are zero pixel-peepers among the consumers. Based on these opinions I believe that for consumers (vast majority of population) 1080p is quite enough. No one is going to throw it out of the equation just because 4K will be an option. 1080p will always be cheaper and faster to download. Convenience against pixel-peeping? Yeah right..</p>
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		<title>By: PeterK</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For CONSUMER tablets at manageable sizes, 3K (iPad) resolution seems quite sufficient. It is very hard to see any aliasing. Photos look amazing. And watching 4K movies on an iPad? David Lynch has some interesting thoughts on that ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For CONSUMER tablets at manageable sizes, 3K (iPad) resolution seems quite sufficient. It is very hard to see any aliasing. Photos look amazing. And watching 4K movies on an iPad? David Lynch has some interesting thoughts on that ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: How to Make Your Own Portable DIY Bullet Time Rig &#124; Film School Home Study</title>
		<link>http://nofilmschool.com/2013/01/4k-ces-2013-westinghouse-netflix-panasonic-tablet/comment-page-1/#comment-301441</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Make Your Own Portable DIY Bullet Time Rig &#124; Film School Home Study</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] If you thought 4K was a buzzword at last year&#8217;s NAB, it was the real deal at CES this year. All of the manufacturers were out in force, and not just camera makers &#8212; everyone who makes a screen had a 4K display at the show. There were a couple interesting developments so far that [...]See all stories on this topic »  [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you thought 4K was a buzzword at last year&#8217;s NAB, it was the real deal at CES this year. All of the manufacturers were out in force, and not just camera makers &#8212; everyone who makes a screen had a 4K display at the show. There were a couple interesting developments so far that [...]See all stories on this topic »  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vishnu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vishnu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 06:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[4k sounds good. But content is still the king. I would rather watch a SD program that has good content over some junk shot in 4k.   I am just saying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4k sounds good. But content is still the king. I would rather watch a SD program that has good content over some junk shot in 4k.   I am just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: ThunderBolt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThunderBolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, it is silly to think 4K alone will do this. I should of mentioned everything after 4K and beyond. You have to be one with the fact that standards will change and change quickly. Once manufacturing sees consumers are willing to convert, the next thing will already be in R&amp;D. Silly, silly me...

To be fair, consumers who watch DVD do so because this is what&#039;s available to them. This statement is sillier than my silly statement. It&#039;s akin to saying people like and use their walkman pre iPod.

Silly, silly me again on thinking that HD is new, shucks... I remember back in the early 80&#039;s when I was in school the hype about future broadcast standards being adopted that would allow 800 x 600. Once the FCC made this a mandate and stations went a step further to 1080, we now see the push to 4k. The challenge is to engineer technology that would make bandwidth a nonissue. This will mean major upgrade for struggling news affiliates and small local stations. Some will be able to upgrade and others not so much. I&#039;m sure that deals will be made to allow licensed distribution to these small stations so they too can offer 4k+ content vs HD. But alas, this ma be silly or the extreme of just plain crazy talk. Silly, silly me.

One more thing to think about... The psychological drive for consumers to own 4k devices once this is made available. This is another topic all to it&#039;s own. This would require conversion models that fully explain behavior and desire. Fact is... 4K conversion has a tail and this tail is very long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, it is silly to think 4K alone will do this. I should of mentioned everything after 4K and beyond. You have to be one with the fact that standards will change and change quickly. Once manufacturing sees consumers are willing to convert, the next thing will already be in R&amp;D. Silly, silly me&#8230;</p>
<p>To be fair, consumers who watch DVD do so because this is what&#8217;s available to them. This statement is sillier than my silly statement. It&#8217;s akin to saying people like and use their walkman pre iPod.</p>
<p>Silly, silly me again on thinking that HD is new, shucks&#8230; I remember back in the early 80&#8242;s when I was in school the hype about future broadcast standards being adopted that would allow 800 x 600. Once the FCC made this a mandate and stations went a step further to 1080, we now see the push to 4k. The challenge is to engineer technology that would make bandwidth a nonissue. This will mean major upgrade for struggling news affiliates and small local stations. Some will be able to upgrade and others not so much. I&#8217;m sure that deals will be made to allow licensed distribution to these small stations so they too can offer 4k+ content vs HD. But alas, this ma be silly or the extreme of just plain crazy talk. Silly, silly me.</p>
<p>One more thing to think about&#8230; The psychological drive for consumers to own 4k devices once this is made available. This is another topic all to it&#8217;s own. This would require conversion models that fully explain behavior and desire. Fact is&#8230; 4K conversion has a tail and this tail is very long.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[make sure you sit 10 inches from your tv to see the difference, and on top of that tell me how the compression looks like. 4k in a computer monitor, I probably can see some advantages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>make sure you sit 10 inches from your tv to see the difference, and on top of that tell me how the compression looks like. 4k in a computer monitor, I probably can see some advantages.</p>
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		<title>By: Natt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Guido</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 04:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What are you talking about? They&#039;re perfect for Epic home videos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you talking about? They&#8217;re perfect for Epic home videos.</p>
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		<title>By: shayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>shayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 03:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I won&#039;t be rushing to shoot 4K for sometime. 1080P or less looks great on the net and almost everyone watches content on the web. So my feeling  is that like my work has the potential to be viewed by a huge audience there. 4K will be a niche market for quite a while I think and will really only be relevant on large screens. 4K on an iPhone would be pretty pointless for example. So HD is still the way to go for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t be rushing to shoot 4K for sometime. 1080P or less looks great on the net and almost everyone watches content on the web. So my feeling  is that like my work has the potential to be viewed by a huge audience there. 4K will be a niche market for quite a while I think and will really only be relevant on large screens. 4K on an iPhone would be pretty pointless for example. So HD is still the way to go for me.</p>
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		<title>By: hummer</title>
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		<dc:creator>hummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 03:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be fair, plenty of consumers today still watch content on DVDs and web streaming, which hardly reach 1080. And HD isn&#039;t exactly new. 

It&#039;s silly to think 4K alone will make all of the content generated in this &quot;pre-4K&quot; era obsolete.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, plenty of consumers today still watch content on DVDs and web streaming, which hardly reach 1080. And HD isn&#8217;t exactly new. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s silly to think 4K alone will make all of the content generated in this &#8220;pre-4K&#8221; era obsolete.</p>
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		<title>By: ThunderBolt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThunderBolt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 01:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this post is the best argument for what your next camera should be, 4K.  I&#039;ve been on the fence for 6 months watching prices drop and technology advance before considering buying a Scarlet over a C300. Now it feels like a no brainer. I totally agree that broadcast will go the way of daily newspapers within this decade. Content will be supplied by indie houses and even the big studios will have to compete with the likes of us. The main thing studios offer is distribution and this will evolve allowing little known production houses to compete as new channels evolve. If you&#039;re shooting 1080 now and plan on the same for another year, the shelf-life of your content will be less than 5 years. No one will be interested in viewing 1080 in much the same was watching pre HD versions on TV. Given the option, I always select the highest resolution available. Great post Joe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this post is the best argument for what your next camera should be, 4K.  I&#8217;ve been on the fence for 6 months watching prices drop and technology advance before considering buying a Scarlet over a C300. Now it feels like a no brainer. I totally agree that broadcast will go the way of daily newspapers within this decade. Content will be supplied by indie houses and even the big studios will have to compete with the likes of us. The main thing studios offer is distribution and this will evolve allowing little known production houses to compete as new channels evolve. If you&#8217;re shooting 1080 now and plan on the same for another year, the shelf-life of your content will be less than 5 years. No one will be interested in viewing 1080 in much the same was watching pre HD versions on TV. Given the option, I always select the highest resolution available. Great post Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: David Konecny</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Konecny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I actually meant was the hardware and software load when shooting/editing.. playback will always be fine, not to worry. It&#039;s the insane volumes of shot footage and fried processors I fear most.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I actually meant was the hardware and software load when shooting/editing.. playback will always be fine, not to worry. It&#8217;s the insane volumes of shot footage and fried processors I fear most.</p>
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		<title>By: ProwlaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProwlaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we can all relax about the 4K push because it will most likely exist as an optional experience. When ever you choose to view the content weather it&#039;s on your 4K tv, 1080 tv, iMac, iPhone, etc... you should be able to select your resolution. 720, 1080, 4K. Computers in the next coming months/years should be well equipped to handle this data. Not sure about hard drive sizes and prices though lol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we can all relax about the 4K push because it will most likely exist as an optional experience. When ever you choose to view the content weather it&#8217;s on your 4K tv, 1080 tv, iMac, iPhone, etc&#8230; you should be able to select your resolution. 720, 1080, 4K. Computers in the next coming months/years should be well equipped to handle this data. Not sure about hard drive sizes and prices though lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lambert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the BMC&#039;s price negates that really partly the reason why they turned as many heads as they did but it really is such a transitional period at the moment it&#039;s a good time to have a decent blagging game at the rental house]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the BMC&#8217;s price negates that really partly the reason why they turned as many heads as they did but it really is such a transitional period at the moment it&#8217;s a good time to have a decent blagging game at the rental house</p>
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		<title>By: FabDex</title>
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		<dc:creator>FabDex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Broadcast is slowly dying anyway. I don&#039;t think our 4K sources will come from broadcast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Broadcast is slowly dying anyway. I don&#8217;t think our 4K sources will come from broadcast.</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 22:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[4K 20inch at 230DPI is perfect for design/drawing and displaying fine patterns.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Joe Marine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Marine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 22:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since a device like that will be viewed at such a close distance, those pixels actually can make a difference. As I said above, it&#039;s actually below the pixel density of Apple&#039;s Retina screens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since a device like that will be viewed at such a close distance, those pixels actually can make a difference. As I said above, it&#8217;s actually below the pixel density of Apple&#8217;s Retina screens.</p>
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