Comments on: Dude, You Gettin' a Dell? Former Apple Editors Choose 'Yes, Bro' over Mac Pro for Performance

By: BUILDING A BUDGET POST-PRODUCTION PC - GETDELUXE Films

BUILDING A BUDGET POST-PRODUCTION PC - GETDELUXE Films — Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:06:15 +0000

[...] a Windows-based laptop next? Possibly, if I could justify that iPad mini I want too! Here are a couple of links I have [...]

By: Dell Weekly Recap: News & Customer Spotlight (Feb 1 Edition) | Laptop Landing

Mon, 04 Feb 2013 21:10:19 +0000

[...] Dude, You Gettin' a Dell? Former Apple Editors Choose 'Yes, Bro' over Mac Pro for Per… – No Film School, January 24, 2013 [...]

By: John

John — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 19:44:37 +0000

I’ve seen those same results from the outcome… but about 7 years ago from another comparison test. This is nothing new.

By: Dell Weekly Recap: News & Customer Spotlight (Feb 1 Edition) | Davide Volo

Sun, 03 Feb 2013 00:14:09 +0000

[...] Dude, You Gettin’ a Dell? Former Apple Editors Choose ‘Yes, Bro’ over Mac Pro for … – No Film School, January 24, 2013 [...]

By: Terence Kearns

Terence Kearns — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:15:07 +0000

Sounds good to me. Perhaps more people will discover Vegas Pro :P

Then again maybe not! LOL!

By: Terence Kearns

Terence Kearns — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:10:16 +0000

Agreed. Was just thinking that to myself. The Apple execs are obviously making more money out of the domestic market (with their 17 models of iOS devices) so they’ve decided to let their professional market die on the vine. They have NO IDEA how short-sighted that is since there is a lot of product streaming power they will lose by doing that.

I’m not happy about it because it means we will be back to a Microsoft dominated world if that happens – and judging by the epic fail of Windows 8, that’s not good for the industry.

Jobs is gone, and so has the vision.

And I am NOT an apple user or a Jobs fanboy. Happen to be a Windows 7 user.

By: DelS

DelS — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 01:36:57 +0000

The guys I work within Hollywood sound/music have been going to the Macbook Pro and the Mac Mini instead, and have been jazzed with the results. Not sure where this fits in with the article conclusions.

By: altnetid

altnetid — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 17:57:36 +0000

Mac Pro sales to stop March 1 in EU countries
http://www.macworld.com/article/2026780/mac-pro-sales-to-stop-march-1-in-eu-countries.html#lsrc.twt_Macworld

I suspect that’s Apple’s excuse to NOT update the Pro.
Oh, and first Shake, then Final Cut X and now the iOS-ification of OSX.
http://macperformanceguide.com/AppleCoreRot-intro.html

It was nice while it lasted but gadgets make more money.

Finally, after twenty years of Avid and FCP… can I admit that Premiere is a joy to use… still not absolutely convinced it will be solid like Avid (but what is?), but I still like it.

By: AlexelTech

AlexelTech — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 05:08:57 +0000

@Fabdex : well said !
Apple fans…

By: AlexelTech

AlexelTech — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 04:59:38 +0000

I’ve been using an Alienware M18x laptop (distributed by Dell) for almost 2 years now, and I can tell there is no way back to a Mac Pro. The power under the hood of that monster laptop is just amazing for working on video editing and compositing, on set, or in your editing room with up to 3 screens (internal + HDMI in/out + display port). The chassis is built for 1 SSD + 2 HDD (2 Tb of storage), 2 nvidia graphic cards in SLI (aka 375 to 780 cuda cores for Premiere or After Effects !). I divided my encoding time by almost 10, especially on H264 codecs and compositing shots. And it’s the price of an high end Apple MBP for a far better config. Moreover the programmable retrolighted keyboard shortcuts are really useful (copy / paste / undo, etc…). And it’s well ventilated so a 10 hours overnight encoding will not make it burn ! That’s one of the MBP flaws (many motherboards fried because of overheating).

By: Erik

Erik — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 02:26:32 +0000

I’ll add to that the excellent N-series of asus. Great design and build quality, same power as the mac book pro (a bit better even in the gpu compartment). Oh, and did i mention half the price?

By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 02:21:44 +0000

You obviously haven’t used windows lately. I do so heavy editing and in over 18 months I’ve never experienced a crash using windows 7. I’ve saved thousands by switching back to PC (mainly because of Premiere). Money which I’ve invested in hard drives and memory.

By: Marcus

Marcus — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 02:03:25 +0000

ProRes is not “the 90% video format for all modern editing” so stop dropping fictitious statements to justify overrated FCP and Apple products. Hilarious!

By: Marcus

Marcus — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 02:00:45 +0000

I’ve only used Windows for editing and “daily stuff” and have no problems. Sounds like user error to me.

By: Wander

Wander — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:09:31 +0000

You’re saying that Windows looks childish. But that’s totally up to you really. Yes when you boot up windows for the first time you have this ugly see trough blue bar on the bottom. But you have a lot of configure options really. I personally love my windows bar. With a right click on it, you can enter settings and make it a lot smaller. Same goes for the pictograms on your desktop. If you right click on your desktop you can change your personal UI settings. I personally like to change it to NON see trough and then change the color from blue to pitch black. With these settings W7 looks very mature and proffesional. And ofcourse change your wallpaper to something smooth.

By: Wander

Wander — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:59:35 +0000

You will have similar results. Because you can just buy a PC with the same hardware as a new Mac system. Or even better hardware if available. Both are great operating systems, so it won’t make to much difference in terms of performance. But if your interested you can of course find tests where they compare the 2 OS with similar Hardware on the web. Adobe works slightly faster on windows systems. In the end it’s more about the hardware and the workflow you’re most comfortable with.

By: Wander

Wander — Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:50:49 +0000

I never ever have a virus on my Windows 7 configuration. I use a free version of AVG. I think a lot of people are biased, because they used to have an old cheap windows family PC. They chose to upgrade to a new high priced mac system and were surprised about the difference in performance. It’s not something you can compare with, if you spend as much money on a Windows machine as you would on a Mac machine you would be surprised about the results.

I work both on Mac and Windows systems and I think both are great operating systems. I prefer the windows workflow over Mac in terms of compatibility and user friendliness. Final Cut is outdated software which used to be a reason to work on Mac, but it’s only a matter of time when Premiere has fully taken over. Given all the upsides it has compared to FCP.

All the remarks on windows being not stable or reliable are outdated as well. Windows7 is a masterpiece. I don’t mind working on a Mac or on a Windows system. It’s all ways dependent on what hardware your OS runs.

By: C.Sham

C.Sham — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:31:47 +0000

This issue of late…Mac or Switch?, is a layered one for sure. And while you can have machines on either Platform that scream, using either Premiere or FCPX….and Avid too, (Mostly serious money making pro editors), Apple for years has represented a “Standard” of sort in the Digital Creative world of computing. Mostly in part do to the Operating System which is now described often as “It Just Works!” This is a major factor in editors loyalty to Apple Computers as seen in some of the posts here. I think for anyone doubting is Apple intends to completely discard the Mac pro Line in some form or another would be suicidal for Apple, however long it would take. But there are many signs that suggest otherwise. The iMac which is a great machine, can only be upgraded to 32Gb of Ram. Apple’s Pro-Res Codecs are becoming an industry standard. And lastly, well not really, but probably the most controversial aspect of all this is (Drum Roll Please)….Final Cut Pro X (10)!!! While some here in this thread will say things like “when Apple dumped FCP7 for FCPX…”, these are folks who, with the same emotions as even I had at first, still hold on to and really have no idea how good FCPX has become. Avid and Premiere were quick to take advantage offering huge discounts on their top products. But in doing so, it kind of sent a message to Apple users that maybe it was time to change Platforms as well. And I believe this is the crux of most of this issue. The reality is, and while I purchased a copy of Premiere 6, I remember someone posting”…remember Apple says its a work in progress!” And so I kept using it however frustrated at times. But in less than a year, Apple has updated FCPX…SEVEN TIMES!! And compared to Premiere, its just more pleasing and faster to edit on…by far. And on top of that, no other editor has more plug-in support…. Another reason why the Mac Pro is not dead. I think Apple’s patience will prove to be one of the smartest moves we’ve seen them make. Just look at in just the past 2 years and what they are saying is coming in the next. We now have 2,4, and 8k Shooters! There is thunderbolt now! Intel is about to introduce the Next/Gen Processors. If Apple had updated the Mac Pro, say..last year. It would almost certainly be passe in 2014!! I think its very important for all of us to have a bit more patience with Apple, as there are too many signs that abandoning a high machine for editors is just not an option, nor on the docket. As for Windows and Machines like the Dells, it will still come down to a matter of, if you can accept working on a Machine running Windows and think that working in Adobe Premiere is the best way to go. The truth is, its more in likely that a Windows guy/girl, might have a Mac too! But a Mac guy/girl, probably won’t want to have anything to do with a PC. I’m just saying!

By: Rob

Rob — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:09:59 +0000

quote: “It’s so much cheaper than a regular Mac, so why the hell not.”

Because Windows, that’s why. :-P

By: Jim Woo

Jim Woo — Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:46:59 +0000

Telestream Episode 6 exports to prores in windows. Anything else?