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May 16, 2013

How to Get Started with Magic Lantern RAW Video on Your Canon Camera

Luke Neumann - Magic Lantern RAW TutorialIf you've been reading these Magic Lantern RAW video posts and watching the clips, and you'd like to get in on the action, we've got just the tutorial for you. Luke Neumann, who has been testing the Canon 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern and recently posted a clip of his own, has put together a great video that runs through some of what you'll need to do to get up and running. We've also got another great test video to whet your whistle, so head on down and check everything out below.

[Update]: cinema5D just launched a workflow video of their own:

This tutorial from Luke will be a good combination with the one posted from cinema5D and the Magic Lantern forum, so head on over there and also watch the video below (you can find the links to the files on Neumann films):

Here is the first video Luke mentions at the beginning about making a bootable CF:

If you missed it, this is the first video Luke shot with the hack:

This is one of the nicest tests I've seen so far, shot by Director of Photography Miguel de Olaso (aka Macgregor), who also lensed Vimeo award-winning short Blinky:

There is definitely some added mojo with the hack that is just simply not there otherwise with internal recording. We already know dynamic range is extended thanks to shooting in RAW, and that helps with highlight roll-off, which is one of the easiest ways film separates itself from digital. This is very often what people are referring to when they talk about a film-like image even if they are having trouble articulating it. Take way more resolution, add some dynamic range, and you've got some seriously nice files to work with in post.

Be sure to head on over to the links, including the Magic Lantern forum itself, to get the latest on everything happening with the early hack. It's important to remember that this is in the very early stages, and glitches and crashing are much more common than in a release version. For this reason if you're uncomfortable messing around with your camera, it's probably best to wait until the firmware is a bit more stable.

As of right now card incompatibilities are tricky, but most 1000x CF cards should get you to 1080p or very close with RAW on the Mark II and Mark III. Right now the maximum RAW resolution on the Mark II is just below 1080. Other cameras are also in the early stages, like the T3i and the 6D. This hack will probably come to all of the Canon cameras, but not all of them will be able to shoot 1080, so there may be some scaling needed in post.

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Would you know if ML is looking into adding this RAW video feature to the 60 D? Thanks.

May 16, 2013

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Ryan

Jeez - just be patient. This whole thing was announced within the past week or two, and everyone is already asking a million times "Is it going to be on the t2i/t3i/60D/7D?????"

Not to mention, most of the people who are excited about this hack have absolutely no reason, need, or hardware capability to be shooting RAW anyway.

May 16, 2013

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Hummer

so true. most mbp can't even handle the workflow. good luck. love it, no less tho

May 16, 2013

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ben

I don't think that reply was sufficiently condescending or belligerent.
You'd do well to try again.

May 16, 2013

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Dan

Ok, here goes:

When will those ML guys get this working on my Powershot? COME ON ALREADY.

May 16, 2013

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Hummer

iPhone ;)

May 17, 2013

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When will RAW shooting capabilities be available on my potato?

May 17, 2013

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John Smith

Now everyone who red this knows you are a troll

May 18, 2013

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kyle

Would love to be a fly on the wall at Canon HQ after this week. A massive congratulations again to the hard work from Magic Lantern.

May 17, 2013

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Sam

Some people are trying the code with cameras like the 600D like this gentleman. https://vimeo.com/66293647

It looks like data transfer speeds are the issue for full HD capture. You will see a lot of dropped frames but if there is a workaround for this (maybe an SD card to USB adapter or something) then I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work. I hope someone comes up with a brilliant solution because turning something like the t2i into a raw recording machine would be amazing.

There are CF card extenders that might really be useful for this project too as ben pointed out in an earlier post. http://www.esskabel.de/adapter/datasheet/ada-compactflash-extender-0430f...

SD card extenders exist too though I am guessing some hardware hacks and new drivers would be necessary. My hope is that USB 3 is fast enough to support insane transfer rates.
http://www.amazon.com/46cm-Card-Extender-Cable-Gps/dp/B007W06ZXC

May 16, 2013

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Dan

I'm beginning to doubt that they will...you get what you pay for. Although ML has given us many many amazing options we did not have before, so I am grateful for that.

May 24, 2013

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FilmIsDeadAndSo...

How do the Canon engineers sleep at night? They are so thoroughly pwnd by ML.

May 16, 2013

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DC Reels

I don't think that they are worse. I bet they are as good in their work, as ML guys are. And they hate their marketing guys when reading posts like yours :D

May 16, 2013

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Reinis

"On a bed made of money"

May 16, 2013

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David F

Yea, it's not the engineers fault. Canon just wants to slow-roll the technology. They want to keep selling ancient over-priced junk like the C300 for as long as possible...

May 16, 2013

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bwhitz

They are not slow rolling the technology. They are a business and they are making business decisions and reacting to the market as they see it. Unless people stop buying their camera's they have no reason to make different choices. The c300 is selling and renting like crazy because it serves a large section of the market, providing the image and codec and workflow necessary for the job. It's not designed for every job.

As for slow rolling the tech again, RAW is actually easier (aside from the data rates) than any codec. It does not require processing power because the data is not really being processed. It's mainly being moved. The data through put on the 5DIII is robust enough to handle the raw video because it was designed to handle RAW photos at (what?) 23 megapixels. The t2i is not designed for such throughput so you are not getting the same resolutions on that camera.

The problem with this hack changing the market is that to utilize this you have to buy a (as you say, crippled) Canon camera. There is no incentive for Canon to change their practices because they are still selling what they are making. If people abandon Canon's offerings for other RAW cameras like the Black Magic cameras or the Kinefinity or some other RAW camera, than Canon will have a reason to offer something else. But the truth is that most people don't really need RAW for their work, nor are they set up to handle the expensive and work that all that data requires.

I spoke with some Canon reps in NYC last week and asked about the possibility of 2K on the C300. They said, "we're taking note." Someone else had asked the same question just 1 min earlier. If enough people ask for something (i.e. the market indicates that people want that feature) they will respond. Or at least they will be incentivized. to. But right now they don't have any incentive, because people are buying their camera's like crazy.

May 17, 2013

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General Question: I'm still using Final Cut Pro 7 (i know this is a problem haha). I also have CS4 Photoshop. Is there any workflow that will let me use these RAW files in FCP7? I own the 5D Mark III and I'm pumped to try the ML RAW capabilities but I don't know If there is a way to utilize it with FCP7.

thanks in advance guys, you all are frickin awesome!

May 16, 2013

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bugbug

You can use Lightroom to develop the files. It's enough to develop one file and then syncronize the rest. Export the files as still images from LR and import them as a sequence (if possible) into your NLE.

May 16, 2013

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Assuming FCP7 accepts TIFF image sequences, you could just follow the Cinema5D workflow posted above.
Convert the .RAW files to DNG, open the DNGs in Photoshop, convert the DNGs into TIFFs via the batch RAW converter, then import the TIFF images into FCP7.

May 17, 2013

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Blah

i have a 5dmll and a 5dmlll...testing now...are people getting moire...on both cameras or just the 5dmll?

May 16, 2013

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DIO

Just MKII and it's pretty intense. More than normally using the internal codec although Mosaic filter can do the trick...

Things are imporoving fast but get into 1080p on MKII is quite hard with the slower CF controller. Even with a lexar 32gb 1000x I can't get more than 65mb/s on the benchmark... MKIII goes up to 89mb/s with the same card.

May 17, 2013

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Alex Mand

Hey there,
I tried everything but there is no way getting the raw function working on the 5D Mark 2.
Can anyone help please?
THX

May 28, 2013

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Jack

Canon was probably saying what's taken them so long? Thank God for these ML guys. Talk about a rejuvenation, wow. Who wouldn't want a mkIII now? I think the images look stunning and from what I understand they'll be easier to process being RAW. So is it safe to say a latter i7 chip with a decent video card is enough to process the images? Obviously drive size is a factor, but what else should we take into consideration if planing on working with the RAW footage? Thanks

May 16, 2013

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Anthony Marino

I keep hearing noise about it being "not really raw." I don't know much about this, but my interest is piqued. Can anyone comment on this?

May 16, 2013

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It's really RAW, no question about it. Undebayered pixel information.

May 16, 2013

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Joe Marine
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Shooter/Writer/Director

From my understanding, I thought it was a RAW file cropped to 1080p....so you get the same dynamic capability, just not the actual RAW file size. Is this right, anybody? I can see how all this news can be confusing.

May 16, 2013

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Kudjo

It's actual RAW, undebayered pixels. It's similar to the RAW still images in the camera.

May 16, 2013

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Joe Marine
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Shooter/Writer/Director

Well there are two versions. The 1080p version which uses the 'line skipping' or whatever Canon designed for video mode, to use the whole sensor area for the 1080p video. Then there is the sensor crop version where the resolution is user adjustable and you are essentially picking a smaller are from the center of the sensor (picked by pixel dimensions). So in this version you are using a much smaller sensor area.(not full frame). At least that's what I understand from what's been written. is that correct Joe?

May 17, 2013

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More great news! I have a question though: there's a particular .exe file that's used in the tutorial for the dng conversion thing. Where is the download for that exe? Not released yet? Couldn't find it on the zip I got from video links.

May 16, 2013

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Kudjo

This is just dumb. I'll make films instead until they come up with a workflow thats drag and drop

May 16, 2013

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mike

Yeah, jeez people, don't you know films have always been made using drag and drop? It's never been a painstaking craft!

/sarcasm

May 16, 2013

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Gabe

Yep that's right nothing got made before the invention of drag and drop. I don't know what people did befor they built the drag and drop Steinbeck.

May 16, 2013

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Neill

I love reading the comments on NFS of a morning. I hope it never changes :) Its a good mixture of being informative with a bit of "Oh no he didn't!"

May 16, 2013

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+1

May 17, 2013

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I miss using a Steenbeck!!

May 23, 2013

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Bill

Though i appreciate the sarcasm on some level, there is a lot to be said for ease of use. Yes, filmmaking is a painstaking process, would you rather spend your time and energy fighting with a codec or a work flow that constantly slows you down and requires lots of extra steps and opportunity for mistakes which require even more time and effort to fix. Which can also cost you more money. It's a matter of resources. Part of the reason the Alexa has been so popular (not call, clearly the picture it makes is very important) is the ease of use in the post workflow. Part of the reason the C300 has been so popular, the codec can come right out of the camera and be broadcast ready. it's why Firestores were so popular a few years ago, they took out a long time wasting step which made the workflow so much easier.

When iTunes got going, piracy of music plummeted. We are a people who are lazier than we are cheap, (in a general sense). So there is something to be said for wanting to wait for something that is straight forward, less complicated, and essentially easier. There's also a lot to be said for the added image quality, if it ostensibly tells the story better and allows you to deliver it in the necessary time frame.

May 17, 2013

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I may have missed it in all of these posts, but are you able to do RAW 60fps, even if it's only 720p?

May 16, 2013

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Someone can help me with the MarkIII 1.1.3. firmware i cant find it....Thanks

May 16, 2013

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Jas On

Just figuring out some rough math here. His clip was 17 seconds. That 17 seconds = 1.5GB. So roughly 6GB per minute is what we are looking at? Even with a 64Gb card, you are only going to get 10 minutes of recording time...

May 16, 2013

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Jordan

The limit on the 5DMk2's is 12 minutes isn't it? Not such a big difference. Besides, where you want to use this quality will be multiple shorter shots. Not the long stuff like event work etc. So 10 minutes is a lot when your talking 10 seconds here, 30 seconds there and then just pop in a new CF card. A lot easier than SSDs.

May 16, 2013

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I think you nailed it right on the head. Definitely to be used with cinematics over events/docs. I think those freaking out over this with their T2i's fail to recognize the price they will be paying when it comes though. A card fast enough will be $120... Personally, I can see this helping refine the way I shoot and script.

May 16, 2013

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Jordan

Can I shoot 10minutes straight if I want to?

May 17, 2013

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vinceGortho

No you can't. It's limited.
I think it's something like 40s for now. But it will be extended in the future by the Magic Lantern team.

May 17, 2013

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Will Magic Lantern find a way to make the workflow easier later on rather than having to convert and compile the RAW frames on your own? It just seems somewhat unintuitive to the rest of the workflow... I'm also not savvy with command prompts -__-

May 16, 2013

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Marti

It should be possible to set up a batch file to run the command automatically...potentially being as easy as dropping all your footage in a directory and simply double clicking the batch file.

May 16, 2013

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Gabe

I heard about possibly dropping the batch into the raw2dng.exe file itself, but it doesn't seem to work for many, including Luke.

Do you know if it can also record audio? It seems like it would have to be done separately.

May 16, 2013

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Marti

Sounds like this will work on the 7d.

May 16, 2013

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joe

This may sound like a naive question but take into consideration that I'm not a photographer nor am I versed in coding. Why not just completely override Canons code and program them to be high quality raw shooting cameras?
Some of us would be interested in buying such firmware.

May 17, 2013

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David F

That's basically what ML is doing...for free. You can certainly donate to the cause if you'd like.

May 17, 2013

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Hummer

Actually, ML doesn't accept donations. Most likely to keep themselves from being sued.

May 17, 2013

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