March 13, 2016
SXSW 2016

Modern Filmmakers Are 'Content Creators': How to Break into Digital TV

Chachi's World
According to a major production company VP, we're at a conjuncture in content creation where there are no rules. It's time to innovate.

If anything became clear from my first day on the ground at SXSW 2016, it’s that “television” is no longer a dirty word for filmmakers. This was crystallized when I showed up to cover a panel called “Breaking into TV in the Digital Age” that took place in a 300-capacity room, and 200 people were turned away. I was one of those people.

Fortunately, one of the panelists, Kesila Childers, was kind enough to speak with me after the panel about how independent creators can take advantage of the shifting paradigms in our industry. Childers has an impressive track record with the venerable production company Bunim/Murray, which has produced top-performing reality shows from The Real World to Project Runway. As Bunim/Murray’s VP of Digital Media, she has fully embraced digital opportunities — and thinks that you should, too.

NFS: So on a real basic level, how does someone who considers themselves a filmmaker start to break into TV?

ChildersWell, first of all, they create something. Anything. And then they promote it so that therefore they can take their MVP (minimal viable product) to a place and have a conversation about it, whether it's a traditional buyer or a nontraditional buyer that is doing exciting things. For example, I think right now I'd be more excited to do something with Vimeo than I would with some traditional networks because they're looking to disrupt, so there's a bigger story there.

"If you have an audience already, networks and other distributors will be more interested in working with you."

NFS: So once we’ve created something, what’s the next step?

ChildersAudience-building is a big one. Know your audience. Build towards your audience. You're kind of responsible for creating this story and a persona for your films, no matter where you fit in the content spectrum. You need to know your own personal story and you need to be able to tell that on multiple platforms that are authentic to your story. So, for example, if you're doing a comedy for teenagers, it might behoove you to create a Snapchat and put part of a character on there. Create a character story for them. Maybe as a filmmaker you have a Twitter, but your Twitter is really only talking about things that are relevant to your brand of storytelling so people know what they are going to get from you. If you have an audience already, networks and other distributors will be more interested in working with you.

NFS: Talking about other platforms brings up an interesting point. What actually is television these days?

ChildersWe fought a little bit about that on the panel. We debated about what is television and I think that no one really knows anymore because what has happened with television is that television started as a delivery method for content. Now, it’s just one of many delivery methods for content. So you can watch “TV” on multiple ways  through tablet, mobile, all these things — and so then you go, well is it TV or is it not TV? It’s almost like the word “love” means a million things and the word “television” is now starting to mean a million things. Laura [Turner Garison, co-panelist] specifically brought up the fact that people want to use the word “television” because it sounds sexy. “Content” doesn't sound sexy.

NFS: It does not.

ChildersCan we make "content" sound sexy? Because I'm most excited about content. Not as excited about TV. I think we're in the golden age of content and the onus is on the creator to be awesome because there's not as many barriers of entry. Barriers of entry are not on creation anymore. The barriers of entry are on distribution, on creating eyeballs. So it's marketing. Because now anyone can make something and put it on YouTube, or Vimeo, or any of these places. It's just, has anyone seen it?

"Barriers of entry are not on creation anymore. The barriers of entry are on distribution, on creating eyeballs."

I feel like filmmakers should just realize they're content creators and stop being so hung up on the word 'film.' And I think if you want to continue being hung up on that word, you might just be limiting the eyeballs that see your work. And if you're okay with that then by all means proceed, but if you want to reach a greater mass then don't be so precious about the things that you use to market what you're creating. If I can give you a hundred people who really want to consume your film on a mobile device or you can have five people in a screening room in one city, which would you rather have?

Chachi's World
Credit: "Chachi's World," co-executive produced by Kesila Childers
NFS: But once filmmakers make and start to promote their work, how does that filmmaker then get the work to gatekeepers who might help elevate it?

Childers: It’s a little bit of a cat and mouse [game]. There's obviously the traditional ways to get an agent or representation that can knock on those doors for you. Some of it is going to things like [SXSW] and meeting people and shaking hands. If you just call me blindly, it's going to be a lot harder to get through to me because the gatekeepers are going to be a lot higher and you’ll have to sign this mission release form and it’s just more difficult. If you come see me at a panel, I'm going to be like, “Hey, you invested your time in me and listening to me talk, which is boring. So I'm going to invest like five minutes in you and I'm going to have a conversation with you about your idea.”

"You cannot sit. Nothing in entertainment happens without networking."

You can't sit and expect anything to happen. You have to be actionable and you have to take the responsibility: What can I do to move it forward? And that pretty much means going to events, shaking hands, becoming parts of groups, networking. You cannot sit. Nothing in entertainment happens without networking. Everyone networks. It is so important. Every job I've ever had is because I've been in a conversation. It's never because I applied to a website. I think that same thing goes for content creators. You might end up somewhere because you created a piece of content that someone else shared and then that ended up in someone else's inbox.... It's kind of like six degrees. You can like trace it back to: Where did the fire start? The fire started when someone kicked over the lantern.

NFS: What do all of these industry changes and shake-ups actually mean for filmmakers?

Childers: It means it's an amazing point where there are no rules. And in a time when there are no rules, it's the best point for innovation. There is no specific path, and some people are going to succeed because they thrive in that freedom. And then there are going to be those people that can't handle that and they just need a specific path. And to those people, I say go about it and get a PA job and work your way up the ladder, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if you have the tenacity to just go create stuff and just kind of fly into the world, I think you could have a really fun time right now.


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Thanks for this interview. There are sooooo many options to create and distribute content now, that it can be overwhelming. But having said that it can also be exciting to try different things out on different platforms & see what sticks. I'm learning to embrace change and think outside the box!

March 13, 2016 at 4:37PM, Edited March 13, 4:37PM

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Derek Armitage
Filmmaker & Vlogger
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I'm sure I'm being an old grouch about this, so apologies... But the term 'content' makes my skin crawl. It's the film-making equivalent of elevator music - 'everything is set-up, now just bring me some CONTENT to throw in there'.

I understand how new platforms bring lots of opportunities and that film-makers who want to earn a living will gravitate towards commercial work. But I feel awkward with how the advertising world has co-opted the experience of making and viewing films - building 'audiences' (customers) by 'telling stories' (selling you the brand).

It would be sad if budding film-makers with great ideas simply define themselves as 'content creators', thinking like brand consultants and always angling for whatever will shift the most units.

March 13, 2016 at 8:13PM

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Ben I'm totally with you.

March 14, 2016 at 9:33AM, Edited March 14, 9:58AM

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Liam Martin
DP, editor, part time director
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Me three, I despise that term. I am a film maker. Although I have created my fair share of 'content'. It paid my bills, but never stirred my heart. My advice to anyone starting out... Make films, not content. And stay away from Ad men/women. They will corrupt your soul. Second piece of advice, don't listen to me. Let your own experiences shape you as a filmmaker

March 14, 2016 at 4:20PM

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Adam Fletcher
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Totally with you there. I didn't grow up dreaming to be a content creator to fill some market niche. I grew up wanting to be a filmmaker. To make movies. Movies that open in theaters where a bunch of geeked out teenagers and twenty-something go with a group of their friends to see something epic. Then later sold on disc in special packaging with bonus features that people collect.
This whole new digital distribution era kinda pisses me off. I don't want to be another youtuber and while I like what's going on with more cinematic TV these days, my mind is filled with stories that span an hour and a half to three hours long, not multiple seasons.

I still believe in movies and filmmaking as filmmaking in the traditional sense as it has existed for over half a century. I also still believe that it's a viable method. This advice sounds more like just a concession to stop your dream and try to make money anywhere you can.

March 15, 2016 at 10:21AM, Edited March 15, 10:23AM

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Mike Tesh
Pro Video / Indie Filmmaker
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This is capitalism. Make money or fucking die.

March 15, 2016 at 12:24PM

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Terma Louis
Photographer / Cinematographer / Editor
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I think something new is developing, and maybe content is the right word, maybe it is not. I do think that creatives can no longer ignore the audiences that young people are developing in their mom's basement in a year. YouTubers are able to generate audiences that rival TV networks now, and it takes grinding, time, and hustle... but if I could have all of the years I spent writing grants back to develop online platforms I would have made at least an extra couple of films in my career.

Corporate content thus far has largely been uninspired but I for one am dedicating the next couple of years to doing exactly this kind of work. There seems to be a critical mass of people watching video online now. Money isn't being thrown at indie film anymore, but if you can develop a platform and raise money on your own, the world is yours.

March 15, 2016 at 8:16PM

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Jesse Zook Mann
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Any leads on the best in-person LA filmmaker groups, events, etc?

March 14, 2016 at 1:01PM, Edited March 14, 1:01PM

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Adam R. Taylor
Director/DP
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No long ago, I had the epiphany that the media is a war and the platforms are battlefields. Persevere and conquer, everything is fair in war.

March 14, 2016 at 1:27PM

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Edgar More
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It's tricky to get your content in front of eyes. With "Space Trucker Bruce" I tried VOD on various platforms but finally just put it up on YouTube. Even though it's free, YouTube has been the best way to get people to see it. I get lots of wonderful comments which makes me feel good about posting something people like and motivates me to make more. It would be wonderful to do all this networking and group joining and get Space Trucker Bruce in front of a larger audience but I'd rather spend my time making movies. It's hard enough to produce content. I don't really have time to market it. At least with platforms like YouTube, they suggest your video giving you a bit of free marketing. Also what might work good for an introverted solo filmmaker like myself would be to get someone who loves this networking stuff to help market my films.

March 14, 2016 at 5:18PM, Edited March 14, 5:18PM

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Anton Doiron
Creator/Filmmaker
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Art is something more than just "content". Art is not something you consume.

March 14, 2016 at 7:20PM

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Andy Tokarski
Director, Editor, Colorist
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Yes. If one treats one's work as 'content', the best one can attain is the level of a fucking hack. Even the most straight-ahead sitcom or action movie really needs to feel like more than generic poo to its creators, or it'll really, really suck donkey balls. You have to believe in the work, or nobody else will. This approach even makes sense in the soulless world of advertising- check out what Ogilvy says about it.

March 15, 2016 at 2:00PM

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Patrick Ortman
I tell stories. Sometimes for money. Sometimes, not.
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