July 29, 2016 at 3:58PM

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Thinking of switching to new editing software

Check my thinking, please.

a) I mostly edit multi-camera how-to videos, e.g. long form. Yes, occasionally I do a bumper or a 30-sec spot, but it's primarily longer stuff - and cuts are 99.99% of the transitions. This includes documentaries, the odd government promo, but never weddings.

b) I'm not certain 4K is realistically in my future because we still deliver on DVDs but more and more it's for YouTube these days.

Anyway, I've switched editing software in the past and it sucks because all the second nature stuff has to be re-learned - hate this. Unfortunately, while I've been using Sony Vegas since before it was Sony, they unloaded it and now it's Magix. This has me thinking of going in a new direction instead of waiting on a new team to get up to speed. Grok where I'm coming from? And yes, I do have a budget, say $1000.

To begin, I don't care for Adobe's subscription model so that leaves Premier Pro out of my consideration. I'm also not sure I want to get involved with Avid (due to my perception of dealing with their support), so that leave Media Composer out also. Since we're a PC-shop, I believe that leaves FCX out - added to which, I get the feeling Apple is like Hotel California and don't play well with others so because I don't like being trapped, that's out.

I've narrowed the list to DaVinci Resolve. Who have I left out? I'd very much appreciate your thoughts. Oh and please note, I'm a one-man-band, e.g. a closed shop so consideration of hiring editors with previous experience isn't that high on the list. Neither do I have religion about the decision because it's a tool. Thanks!

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DaVinci Resolve is nice, does have multi camera editing functionality and not in the least it is free!

July 29, 2016 at 5:02PM

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Cary Knoop
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MAGIX has announced that MAGIX VEGAS PRO 14 will ship at the end of September, so it's only 2 more months before we can upgrade to the new version. I am a long term Vegas fan ( that uses Premiere for some things, but most things I do with Vegas ), so I have big hopes for this new version of Vegas Pro.

So far here are some of the new features in version 14...

» HEVC/H.265 support : This could be very handy especially when delivering 4K video.

» 4K Smart Upscaling : I think this will allow easier mixing/matching of 4K and 1080 footage.

» Native ProRes support : Open / Edit / Render native ProRes files

» and much more! : I would be very happy if Vegas Pro 14 loves working in 4K

July 29, 2016 at 11:01PM, Edited July 29, 11:08PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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Guy, does Vegas force a person into online activation of the software or can a person buy and install completely offline, and move backwards and forwards to laptop whenever they wish ? Many thanks for your time.

July 31, 2016 at 5:23PM

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Saied M.
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You have to activate your software, but you can de-activate it to move it to a different computer. And I am pretty sure the Sony license would allow you to have two installs of one license, so you could have a desktop and laptop install from one license.

We will have to see if MAGIX changes anything with the licensing, but I hope they keep it the same as the Sony license. Two installs from one license was very useful.

July 31, 2016 at 8:43PM, Edited July 31, 9:05PM

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Guy McLoughlin
Video Producer
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Alright so I am a Resolve Studio User since my entire camera arsenal is Black-Magic. I love Resolve as a color grader , nothing else. It is a CPU-Bound editor, meaning it can't use the GPU to help render previews out like most editors. Heres my system specs, and I lack the ability to edit native Pro-Res

CPU i7 4930k 6 COre
32 g DDR5 ram
GPU 1 : Nvidia 1080 GTX 8g Founders
GPU 2 : Nvidia 4400k Quadro 12g

All editing is done off Solid state drives

All that being said, I get frustrated editing with Resolve it just feels really bumpy to me. I know you said you want to avoid Adobe, but they have the market pretty locked down for there price range - my only other suggestion would be avid

July 30, 2016 at 11:14PM

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You mean DDR4 Ram right? What base speed do you run the CPU at? I have a 5820 which I run at 4.3.

The new 1080 is nice, the bummer is that it won't work together with the Quadro (different architecture).

I think the Quadro is way overpriced and most of the time totally unnecessary. The K6000 is actually slower than a GTX980. Don't know about the K4400, never heard of that model. May I ask why you need the Quadro?

July 30, 2016 at 11:24PM, Edited July 30, 11:38PM

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Cary Knoop
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Whoops, Yes i do mean DDR4 ram

The Quadro and the GTX actually work together when exporting, And I don't NEED the quadro, the machine would work fine without it, but I got it for free and it doesn't hurt to have it in.

CPU speed is factory set at 3.6, I run it at 4.2 Ghz

also, I don't think resolve is "Free" if you want multi-cam functionality, i believe that is only the studio version.

July 31, 2016 at 1:08AM, Edited July 31, 1:09AM

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Multicam is fully supported in the free version of Resolve 12.5.

You might want to double check your assumption that the Quadro actually helps with export. If I am not mistaken Premiere does not work with multiple GPUs for exporting because the overhead of communication between the cards makes it less efficient than using one card. I would test the export time with and without the Quadro to make sure.

July 31, 2016 at 1:32AM

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Cary Knoop
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Resolve 12.5 is pretty badass, I'm in love with it. The audio tools are not nearly as good as what I use in Final Cut X. I film a lot of event/documentary/on location stuff and need good high/low pass filters,noise removal, graphical eq and other tools final cut is great at. FCPX is using plugins from Logic Pro, and you can get really advanced in the type of sound work possible.

Resolve does allow openFX which may make my aurgument mute, I just may need to get plugins I like installed.

The timeline on FCPX is also far more advanced, a look into the future of editing. Going back to other programs always feels like going back in time for me.

This is why my current workflow is FCPX for editing and sound, then I switch over to resolve for the grade. Final cut has better xmls, made to work directly with resolve, which is a huge plus.

If I was on PC I would be using resolve, premiere or Avid, I don't know many post houses in LA using Vegas.

July 31, 2016 at 11:39PM

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I've heard a lot of talk about Final Cut Pro. I, personally, have never used it but I hear that it's easy to learn and can do what Premiere Pro (what I edit with) can do just fine. That would be my suggestion, I believe it costs somewhere around $300.

August 1, 2016 at 3:53PM

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Blake Barlow
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Just playing devil's advocate, but if you have a system that works now do you absolutely need to find something to jump to? Presumably your software isn't going to just stop working one day?

It's nice to know your software is supported and being actively developed, of course. But you mention it's a tool. Your hammer doesn't stop working just because a newer hammer comes out.

I still use Aperture on Mac to organise all my photos. Apple ended support for it about three years ago. But it still works fine so I refuse to switch to Lightroom just because.

In time I'm sure you may have a newer camera with newer codecs ect that your existing software won't support. But that's years away. It's there a reason you absolutely need to switch from Vegas right now?

August 2, 2016 at 7:54PM, Edited August 2, 7:56PM

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Cole Black
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I have used Premiere and Resolve, but I am sticking with Vegas and I love it for many reasons. Likely the biggest I am very productive with it and in the end they all do the same thing, but esp with Vegas superior audio tools, it is slam dunk for me. For me to switch to resolve is a step backward. For you tho maybe resolve or something else is the answer

August 2, 2016 at 8:12PM, Edited August 2, 8:14PM

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Got to throw in a vote for FCPX - that thing feels like the future, warts and all.

Can't you just get a mac? Those things are dirt cheap... oh well.

August 3, 2016 at 9:16AM

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