October 15, 2015 at 1:21PM

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Best Jib/Slider for Solo Filming Endeavors

Hello! I am in my first year of living entirely off of freelance work(which despite the stress has been going surprisingly well), and aspire to travel and shoot documentaries. I want to elevate the quality of my corporate gigs and doc work and am looking to buy a slider and a jib. I would like to keep my load as light as reasonably possible though.

Does anyone have direct experience with specific jib/sliders or other equipment they might recommend in diversifying the amount of shots I can achieve going at this solo? Thanks!

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What camera are you shooting with ?

October 15, 2015 at 1:27PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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Haha. My bad. Thats definitely essential to the question. Gh4

October 15, 2015 at 3:11PM, Edited October 15, 3:14PM

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John Haas
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If you have enough budget ( say $1,000 ) you can mount a GH4 to a small 3-axis pistol-grip gimbal like the new Nebula 4200 or the Pilot-Fly H1 gimbals, which enable you to do very smooth slider-like and jib-like handheld movements. Take a look at Dave Dugdale's video below. ( the new Nebula 4200 might be the next piece of GH4 gear I buy )

Nebula 4200 Compact 3-axis Gimbal Demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThYsssqYLlk

Dave Dugdale Reviews the Pilotfly H1 Plus vs CameTV Single Pistol-Grip Gimbals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0pa1Zu6reM

October 15, 2015 at 4:48PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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Thanks for the quick reply! I've actually used the Nebula 4000, and own a Steadicam Merlin2, so perhaps I need to scratch getting a slider and just grow some patience and master the Merlin. At the same time though, I'd love to have a jib that allows for height that hand held on a stabilizer may not afford me and control over the tilt of the camera as it is being raised or lowered.

October 15, 2015 at 5:04PM

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John Haas
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After reading this I wonder what kind of outcome one would get by putting one of the small 3-axis pistol-grip gimbals on the end of a monopod to try and get the higher shots (currently looking at one of the Nebula or Beholder gimbals for purchase). Set gimbal to whatever follow mode whilst mounting a monitor further down the monopod for framing etc.

Hmmmm, could work with good results. Anyone here tried this by any chance?

Matt Dennes

October 15, 2015 at 5:22PM

I want a jib with zero "wiggle" when it's moving and most of the very compact and light weight jibs I've seen just aren't smooth enough on their own.

Perhaps Matt's idea of finding a way of leveraging the pistol-grip gimbal with a kind of "fishing-rod" might be able to give you the height you're after and still produce a smooth result.

October 15, 2015 at 6:02PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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This wiggle your speaking of is present on most jibs if not counterweighted properly.

The trick is to place sandbags in the right positions to eliminate any side to side wiggle. Without this pretty much any jib is unusable.

A handheld gimble on a monopod will not give you the same fluid tilt effect as a jib or crane. I find it funny how people try to use a gimble for everything nowadays, reminds me of how everyone used cheesy zooms in the 70's because it was a new tool.

Like anything in cinematography, the tool you use had a drastic effect on your final product. A gimble has a gimble look, just like a jib has its own look.

October 16, 2015 at 8:10AM

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>>>A gimble has a gimble look, just like a jib has its own look.

It all depends on the operator. Used properly a gimbal can mimic a slider, a jib, or a stedi-cam. Often I find the gimbal results look better because the movement is completely fluid instead of looking like a rigid locked-off mechanical motion.

October 16, 2015 at 12:54PM, Edited October 16, 12:55PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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Here's a video by CheesyCam that shows how to mount a 3-axis GoPro gimbal on a painter-poler...

http://goo.gl/ZvZss0

October 16, 2015 at 1:15PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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Thanks for the CheesyCam link Guy.

Regarding my thoughts re monopod/3-axis gimbal, my thoughts weren't really to replace an actual jib. More pushing the boundaries of how these devices can be used in different ways to help us in different scenarios e.g. one man band running around getting all sorts of different shots quickly with no fuss, stealthy (if thats possible waving around a monopod!) and minimal setup. It's always interesting to see how other folk adapt tools that are available to them to be used in ways they were not intended, and how companies can take these ideas and improve/innovate further...... Ah, heres comes the equivalent dji osmo gimbal extendable selfie stick next for the masses.... oh dear.... ha

October 16, 2015 at 3:08PM

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I use the Team Rebel Design DS-1 and might be the best purchase I ever made. For a bigger shoot, yes, I'd want to bring each tool separately. But for a run and gun situation, you really can mimic slide and jib shots, as well as smooth tracking, etc., all with the gimbal. Will they be EXACTLY the same look? Maybe not, but it will be close, and save you lugging around tons of gear.
I just took it on a trip with me and getting clean shots was no problem at all, with everything I needed fitting right in my backpack. Very useful tool.

October 16, 2015 at 3:38PM, Edited October 16, 3:38PM

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Ben Meredith
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I own the Pilotfly H1+ and just shot a video installation which was a 5min one shoot, the Gimbal was used for steadycam like moves, a variety of dolly moves and finally roped down from a balcony all in one. Such a great tool. The idea with the monopod is great to. Will def try!

October 17, 2015 at 10:31AM, Edited October 17, 10:31AM

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As far as recommended sliders with good value, I can recommend the cinemover slider, I think the website is moveyourcamera.com, the basic slider is about $100 and the motorized option is aprox $200 more. It has many cheap options for rails.
Not the only option, but for me, it has great value and great performance.

October 17, 2015 at 12:26PM

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I ended up taking a chance with this, it builds to either an 8ft or 12ft jib. The price is super affordable and the reviews surprisingly great. I'll check out the other options though and am always trying different options/will let you know how this ends up working out for me and maybe post video tests with it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A7ZUSSW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_...

October 17, 2015 at 9:24PM, Edited October 17, 9:26PM

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John Haas
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If you want a slider that is compact, durable (and upgradable to motion capture without batteries), light enough to travel, tripod mountable, with all terrain legs and giving you smooth shots: check out Cinevate's Druzi.

Gimbals are fun, but slow steady slides from a good slider look different and aren't exhausting after take 3 ;-)

October 19, 2015 at 5:01AM, Edited October 19, 5:01AM

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WalterBrokx
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lol, where I said motion capture I meant automated motion... motion control is a too big claim for their mechanical moco upgrade.

WalterBrokx

October 19, 2015 at 10:00AM

I was a bit distracted, I guess, since the slider is called Duzi.

WalterBrokx

October 19, 2015 at 11:10AM, Edited October 19, 11:10AM

Glide gear 24 slider dev 235. Perfect for self shooting on a budget. Purchase mine from Amazon for around £100. Check it out!

October 19, 2015 at 11:23AM

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Gwilym Evans
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