August 13, 2016 at 3:02PM

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Panasonic mirrorless - GH2 vs G7?

Hey guys,
I'm looking to upgrade from my D3300. The T3i with magic lantern but Micro 4/3 seems to have those features and better lens adapting options. I've loved using my GF2.

I'm on a very tight budget for an upcoming project, and would rather invest the money in some FD glass.

I've been looking at the GH2. Some say to choose the G7 but it's a lot more. And the GH2 has a kind of firmware hack?

What do you guys think?

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While it still produces a nice image in good light, the GH2 is pretty out of date compared to the newer Panasonic cameras. I would see what kind of deal you can get on a used G6 or used G7 camera if you can afford it.

August 13, 2016 at 7:05PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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Ok I understand. What would outdated really change though? In other words, I've seen that some films were made entirely on a GH2 (with I'm assuming legacy glass).
I'm coming from an SLR and I have a GF2, so I assume anything is an improvement.
And any noise I could fix in Neat too.

Honestly though, $300 used is much more in my budget than $500 used. But who knows - maybe I should wait and see

August 13, 2016 at 11:15PM, Edited August 13, 11:16PM

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Steven Ponec
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Also, how much does 60fps matter? I'm going to be using it for a music video and a documentary. I might have some slowmo, but I could always use twixtor

August 14, 2016 at 12:55AM, Edited August 14, 12:55AM

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Steven Ponec
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>>>What would outdated really change though?

I owned two hacked GH2 cameras before the GH3 came out, and they were great in good light, but the image fell apart in dim light. I would never shoot higher than 800 ISO with the GH2, and tried to use 400 or lower most of the time.

August 14, 2016 at 12:16PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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Ah I see. That's how I feel about my Nikon. I do love it for video honestly, but above 800 it's not amazing. (I do have Neat Video which helps).

In this case, it sounds like there wouldn't be a giant difference between the GH2 and my camera.
I'll save up for the GH3 or G6/G7

August 14, 2016 at 4:02PM

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Steven Ponec
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I would either start with a G7 or GX85 if you need the in body stabilization.

Here is a test with a manual 95mm F2.0 lens (135mm F2.8 before speed booster) handheld on a GX85

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk7zJQ0AEnc

August 14, 2016 at 9:31PM, Edited August 14, 10:23PM

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Cary Knoop
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Oops, sorry, here is the correct link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIpceCmZ1gM

August 15, 2016 at 3:14AM

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Cary Knoop
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The GX85 is the camera most recent sensor in a Panasonic mirror-less camera that has a look reminiscent of the GH2 sensor (especially when hacked). If you are cash strapped, get the GH2 and start shooting today for less than $200. GX85 offers a lot for under $1000, and I'd go that route if $$$ is not an issue.

August 15, 2016 at 11:23AM

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Marc B
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Interesting. I'm sorely tempted by the GX80 as it's known here in the UK. Have you seen a comparison somewhere with GH2?

Liam Martin

August 16, 2016 at 4:57AM

I have not seen a direct cross comparison, but after viewing a lot of GX85/GX80 footage over the last few weeks, I now see it as the heir to the GH2. The GH3 & GH4 were not of interest because they lacked the characteristics that made the GH2 footage so compelling. Check out footage from a hacked GH2 and the GX85/GX80 and compare for yourself.

Marc B

August 16, 2016 at 11:41AM, Edited August 16, 11:41AM

Just an opinion and may be down to preference...but I had a hacked GH2 and traded it in for a GH3 when they dropped a bit in price. Despite numerous convenient features and far better ergonomics, I always preferred the footage I got from the GH2. It has a more natural, more filmic look than the GH3 does. The GH3 footage always felt a bit more videoish and closer to Sony footage (being a Sony sensor). As always, it will depend what you are shooting and of course your personal preference, but thought it was worth mentioning. The assumption that newer = better is not always true.

As people have mentioned low light is definitely an issue, but I'd count the GH3/GH4 as similarly not great in low light.

August 16, 2016 at 4:56AM, Edited August 16, 4:56AM

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Liam Martin
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I also believe you shouldn't waste time with vintage lenses. They are a myth: https://youtu.be/ZDKkh1nSnns

August 16, 2016 at 11:25AM, Edited August 16, 11:25AM

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That comparison is ridiculous, the exposure is consistently higher on the vintage lenses.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/135559705@N07/28410709203/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/135559705@N07/28923072282/in/dateposted-public/

(copy the whole link, the @ sign cuts the link)

August 16, 2016 at 1:53PM, Edited August 16, 2:15PM

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Cary Knoop
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>>>I also believe you shouldn't waste time with vintage lenses. They are a myth...

While I agree that your footage shot with the Nikkon lens does not look very good, I've had fantastic results shooting with Nikon AI-S lenses on my GH4 camera, where the Nikon AI-S lenses produce a much nicer look than the overly sharp clinical looking Olympus or Panasonic Micro 4/3 lenses.

What I like about shooting with Nikon lenses is...

- More natural looking sharpness

- Softer and more natural looking contrast

- Slightly warmer color balance

I use my Lumix lenses when I need the built-in optical stabilizer for hand-held shooting, when I want a sharper more clinical looking shot, when I have to work quickly ( the Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8 zoom comes in very handy for this ), and when I want the auto-focus to shoot still photos.

August 16, 2016 at 7:13PM, Edited August 16, 7:13PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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Ok, I did more testing and it appears that my first testing was wrong. There is absolutely no correspondence between the f stops between lenses. I knew that t-stops are much more accurate, but I had no idea a f/4 on one lens could actually be close to f/8 on another lens. Those old nikkors have to be stopped down a lot. Fine, my mistake. So I did some more testing and it appears that those old Nikkors are much better I didn't have skin tones available, but what I saw looked good. So as soon as I can film people I'll do it again. But please, take my initial comments and testing to be wrong.

August 17, 2016 at 11:41AM

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