July 2, 2015 at 5:27PM, Edited July 2, 5:34PM

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What camera I should buy? 7D Mark II?

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I'm in a complicated situation, well I'm a intermediate filmmaker. I'm doing filmmaking like 3 years. And I'm now studying filmmaking (I'm 19 years old), but ALL MY WORKS was done with others cameras like Canon 7D, Canon 700D, Canon 1100D, Sony Alpha 77, Nikon D3200, etc.
And I wanna buy my first camera but I'm like (Should I buy a pro camera like canon 7D Mark II because I know how to use a DSLR but all filmmaker buy first a amateur camera like canon 1100D). But I think in this way: If I know how to use a DSLR why not buy a good camera? If I buy a "amateur" camera, past 1 year or 2 I will need a pro camera, and then I will spend 2x my money...
Why Canon 7D Mark II? Because of 60fps at FHD, and have good image quality and I'm a photographer too. Why not Nikon D5300? Record 60fps too...
Well I really don't like Nikon, and all filmmaker says that Canon is better than Nikon in video...
And I'm like (man you are good, you do good stuff why buy a 300$ camera when you can buy a 1,699$ and will take longer and you will have better image quality).
Yes if I buy a 300$ camera I can buy better lens like Tamron 17-50mm f2.8, Canon 50mm f1.8 and Canon 28mm f1.8 (is more important I know), but if I buy a 1,699$ camera (Canon 7D Mark II) I only can buy one lens (low budget guy) will be Tamron 17-50mm f2.8 BUT I will get a better image quality...
Well help me and sorry about my sh*t English I'm Portuguese soo...
Here I let my new job with a batteries camera...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZoG1TORT-g
And Here Another One With Canon 7D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAsQyjJbvOA
Was my first videoclip...

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>>>I really don't like Nikon, and all filmmaker says that Canon is better than Nikon in video...

Nobody I know says this.

The Canon EOS C100 and C300 are great video cameras. But ALL of the Canon APS-C DSLR cameras ( like the T2i/T3i/T5i, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D Mk2 ) have aliasing and moire issues, low data rate recording, limited dynamic range compared to the Nikon or Sony cameras, and limited clip length.

Where a Panasonic GH3 or GH4 camera has unlimited clip length ( you can shoot for hours and hours ), has fairly good image controls ( especially the GH4 which has cine image controls ), can shoot for 3+ hours on ONE battery, can shoot with almost any lens ever made.

The cameras that I recommend to people starting out are one of the following cameras...

Nikon D5200 or D5300
- Good dynamic range
- Great still photo camera
- No real aliasing or moire problems ( unlike Canon )
- Popular brand, so it's easy to find used cameras and lenses

Panasonic GH3
- Good image controls
- High data-rate recording
- Records sharp detailed video image
- Unlimited clip length
- Battery lasts for 3+ hours
- Weather-proof body
- Can use almost any lens

Blackmagic Micro Cine Camera
- Not available yet, but coming out very soon
- 13 stops of dynamic range
- Can switch between global shutter and rolling shutter modes
- Can shoot very high bit-rate ProRes or RAW video formats
- One battery lasts 90 minutes ( not like the older Pocket Cine camera )
- Can use almost any lens
- Very compact design

July 2, 2015 at 6:20PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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And the GH4? Do you recommend?
Well, I have people that say that Canon e better than Nikon for video and others people say the opposite that Nikon is better than Canon. But I don't like Nikon soo I can go to the Panasonic but people say that Panasonic have low light issue...

Ângelo Varela

July 3, 2015 at 6:14AM, Edited July 3, 6:14AM

>>>And the GH4? Do you recommend?

Yes, if you can afford it the GH4 is one of the best cameras for video in it's price range.

It has all of the features of the GH3, plus it shoots 4K internally, and has better cine image controls.

If you shoot a lot of low-light work then the Sony A7S is the camera to buy. It's by far the best low-light camera on the market right now.

But if you don't do a lot of low-light shooting, then the Panasonic GH4 is an excellent camera for general video work.

Right now I shoot most of my work with the Panasonic GH4, and I use small LED lights when I'm shooting in low-light conditions. I generally don't like to shoot with "found" light because often it does not look good on your actors or your set, so adding a few of my own key lights and using the "natural" light as my fill light will make things look 100 percent better.

Vimeo Panasonic GH4 Videos
https://vimeo.com/groups/gh4/sort:date/format:thumbnail

Vimeo Sony A7S Videos
https://vimeo.com/groups/a7s/sort:date/format:thumbnail

July 3, 2015 at 9:32AM

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Guy McLoughlin
Video Producer
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I also recommend the GH4. It's in your price range and will future proof you to an extent. I use one myself and it's amazing.

>>Where a Panasonic GH3 or GH4 camera has unlimited clip length....

If you're from Portugal you'll have a 30 minute clip length shooting video as the EU regulations on tax for video cameras.

July 3, 2015 at 9:47PM, Edited July 3, 9:47PM

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Andy O'Neill
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You have to buy a North American GH4 to not have the artificial recording limit.

Guy McLoughlin

July 4, 2015 at 10:10PM

The 7d mark ii don't have moire and aliasing issues. I shoot with one have have yet to come across that problem. I have shot at things specifically to create those issues and I was unable to do so even with L lens and sigma art lens, thanks to the low pass filter it has. The 7d mark ii is a fantastic camera, especially in those regards! People always compliment the quality of my videos and have sought me out because my videos are "high quality". With that being said, the 7d mark ii definitely deliver some nice footage...but the camera is only 1 tool in a filmmakers arsenal. Lighting, camera movement, set design, composition and sound (along with many other things) can play a major role in the perceived quality of the image you can produce with any camera, including an iPhone.

here's a link to a music video i shot with the 7d mark ii
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_FAcSwJgus

Remember, there's not a "perfect" camera/camcorder out there. They all have their pros and cons. Get one that you're comfortable learning on & working with, and one that has a form factor that works for you. Get it, learn it inside and out and enjoy making some videos.

Cheers
Reggie A Brown

July 4, 2015 at 8:09PM, Edited July 4, 8:25PM

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Reggie Brown
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>>>The 7d mark ii don't have moire and aliasing issues. I shoot with one have have yet to come across that problem.

Yes, you're right. I just went and checked a bunch of Canon 7D mk2 reviews, and it looks like it's the first Canon APS-C camera to not have the moire or aliasing issues of the previous Canon cameras.

Canon had ignored the moire issue with their other APS-C cameras for so long, I honestly thought the 7D mk2 still had the same problem, but you're right, moire and aliasing has been fixed with the Mark 2 model.

July 4, 2015 at 10:07PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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Kendy Ty uses a Canon T2i (no MLraw hack) and a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 lens for all of his films.

https://vimeo.com/107111468

August 14, 2015 at 3:41PM

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I meant to further explain...

After watching Kendy Ty's videos, I've dusted off my 60D and have been shooting tests, following his basic workflow of using the VisionColor picture profile, a basic grade in post, and adding S35mm scanned film grain on top.

I've been shooting with a BMPCC for a little over a year now and feel a liberated with not having to process and heavily color grade cinema DNGraw. I am pleased with the results with the VisionColor picture profile over CineStyle.

Basically....buy what you can afford. If that means a 7DII and a good lens...then do it (and the 7DII finally has a headphone jack). The other posts here suggest good cameras as well. Good luck.

August 14, 2015 at 3:55PM

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