April 9, 2018 at 6:22PM

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4k Pocket Thoughts???

I know NFS is probably on it but arguably the biggest news to come out of NAB and no word here on Blackmagic's new pocket 4k cam so I'm curious what everyone thinks. You can Google the specs but raw 4k for just over a grand? And being able to record straight to a SSD is a pretty cool feature. It sucks it's a m4/3 mount and I'll have to pick up a speed booster but still, on paper this is looking like a pretty big deal and it's really exciting! I don't mind the look like some, but what are your thoughts? Can we use our favorite term "Game changer"? Or is it a pass for you?

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It's a gamechanger alright! MFT ain't a bad thing why does everyone always spaz out about MFT mount. I knew 4K was going to be on it I just never expected 4k 60p... That blew me away. Managing to maintain the 13 Stops of DR along with the Features you would find on Ursa mini. Consider the Lowlight capabilities as well (Two Native ISO's). This is indeed a game changer! No other camera in that price bracket does that!

April 10, 2018 at 3:28AM

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Wentworth Kelly
Director/DP/Colorist/Drone Op
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Already looking at ways to the money together for this. I picked up the bmpcc can when they had that massive price cut in the summer of 2014.

April 10, 2018 at 1:12PM

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Candice beck
Wanabe director
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I think it's fantastic. Finally a camera that is truly exciting. For $1295, and for what it does, it is just insane !! I have been shooting with the original BMPCC for nearly 5 years and was keen to see its successor. Having a Ursa Mini Pro too it's going to be the perfect B Cam :).

April 11, 2018 at 6:38PM, Edited April 11, 6:38PM

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Florent Piovesan
Filmmaker / photographer
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Currently a Canon C100 shooter (mostly personal or small projects, etc) and I'm weary to jump ship (can't one have two ships?) but this camera is very interesting. Worked for a bit years ago with a friend who got the original pocket when it came out. Really great little camera but just awful battery life (and low-light) and trying to build it out to be a useful camera for most productions was just silly.The Canon cinema line, and similar, just make so much more sense especially in run and gun or just ease of use cases. Also not stoked on the idea of needing to get a new range of lenses but MFT lenses are more or less much cheaper than aps-c or FF EF mounts, so that's nice.

But, as others have noted, there's a lot of love about this camera, at least on paper. I'd be very interested in this if I manage to have money when/if it arrives later this year.

April 12, 2018 at 7:32AM

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The c100 mark ii realeased at like 3 times the price and still didn't have the features this camera has. Only advantage is the built in nd filter. And about the lens problem, if you already have cannon lenses, you can adapt them using a speed booster. An extra expense of course but then again it's a 1300 camera and it shoots prores 4k.

April 15, 2018 at 6:40AM

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Chris, there is much more to love about the original C100 (at least for me). I shot with a Sony A7s, Panasonic GH4 and an original pocket with a speedbooster or adapter (always one made by metabones). Everytime I had issues with communication with the lens' aputute control. It sometimes worked, sometimes didn't and most people I know who use adapters with photography glass have had this same experience.

That being said Canon's dual pixel autofocus is excellent. My C100 can shoot consistently for 500+ minutes on one of my batteries. It can relay record or dual record in the two card slots. It has the built in NDs you mention. It also has XLR inputs with (in my opinion) better preamps than a Zoom H4n (which is notorious for having issues with the NTG2 and noise, which are not present when recording into my C100). Also the C100 takes line level input, mic level, or mic +48v. It has a built in attenuator which is great when I shoot local concerts. There is a lot the C100 has that this pocket camera doesn't.

That being said this pocket camera does look great. I hope it gets a release before NAB next year....

April 15, 2018 at 9:11AM, Edited April 15, 9:13AM

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Matthias Claflin
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I'm going to wait for the reviews while I save up some extra cash for it since you never know if it'll have some weird issues with it (like most blackmagic cameras tend to do) but the price for what it offers, seems too good to pass up!
I absolutely love the raw and prores image I get out of the original pocket camera. This upgrade looks like it fixes every single issue with the first one!

I'm also interested to see what the auto focus is like on this one. It hasn't been a huge issue for me in the past, but I'd love it if it's decent at least!

April 12, 2018 at 12:30PM, Edited April 12, 12:30PM

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David Cunningham
freelance filmmaker/photographer
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Oh God, I shouldn't summon the jinx demon, but I have not yet had any issues with my Ursa Mini Pro. It's really easy to use and the image is amazing. Considering BM has now been in the camera game for over 6 years, I think they've been good at correcting their very public blunders and learning from their mistakes. I bet they even hit their September delivery date.......well......let's not get TOO ahead of ourselves. lol

Can't wait to add this to my kit!

April 13, 2018 at 7:23PM, Edited April 13, 7:23PM

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Ian Mora
Writer, Director, Editor, Camera Operator
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It's a one-touch autofocus, so no face recognition or continuous AF tracking.

April 16, 2018 at 2:53AM

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Guy McLoughlin
Video Producer
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April 12, 2018 at 3:43PM

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patrick king
Bussiness Development Head
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as much as built in ND and audio XLRs were on my must-have list for a new camera investment, this might sway me. especially if the lowlight capabilities are good. Also hoping IR contamination and moire isn't as bad as it is on the current cameras.

April 13, 2018 at 7:28PM

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kj
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Is anyone else concerned about the fan noise? I was so excited to hear about this camera, but then realized it has a fan on it, just like the Micro Cinema Camera. I know there are software workarounds, i.e. digitally removing the sound, but for ease of use I think that extra fan sound in quiet backgrounds is a bit of a deal breaker? Not having a huge budget (or any budget) to constantly have sound professionals cleaning up my audio, these sort of little things make a difference.

April 13, 2018 at 7:43PM

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Harlan Rumjahn
Low-level government official
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And, by the way, 110 MB/second for ProRes HQ? Is that correct as stated on the BlackMagic website? The original BMPCC runs around 25 MB/s for ProRes HQ and needs a pretty fast 64GB SD card for 41 minutes of record time. That same card isn't even fast enough for the GH5, which clocks at 50 MB/s (4x LESS than the stated BMPCC 4K rate). Is there even an SD card fast enough to record 110 MB/second?

April 13, 2018 at 7:53PM

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Harlan Rumjahn
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Nope. Remember that you need cards that have a guaranteed minimum write speed of 110 MB/sec or 880 Mbps. ( the new V90 SDXC cards are only guaranteed for 90 MB/sec minimum write speed )

So your media choices are going to be CFAST 2.0 cards or a USB-C SSD drive, assuming the camera can record higher bit-rate modes to the USB-C drive.

April 16, 2018 at 2:55AM, Edited April 16, 2:58AM

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Guy McLoughlin
Video Producer
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Plenty of cards can handle that record speed. GH5 even goes up to 400mb/s on SD cards, though that's a little more expensive to find a useable card.

April 14, 2018 at 8:19PM

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John Haas
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According to B&H the camera shoots at 110MB/s. That is 8 times faster than 110Mb/s. Most of what we discuss is megabits per second (Mbps), the way it is written would imply megabytes (MBps) which are 8x the size of megabits. 8 bits to a byte. So you would need a card that records up to at least 880Mb/s.

The GH5 shoots at 400Mbps which would be about 50MBps. However there are cards that go significantly faster and I'm sure it'll work for the Blackmagic Pocket 4k.

April 15, 2018 at 3:31PM, Edited April 15, 4:27PM

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Matthias Claflin
Videographer
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Oh, wow. Ok. I just learned something new. Thanks for sharing and correcting me on that!

April 16, 2018 at 12:07AM

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John Haas
Cinematographer
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While this camera doesn't replace a GH5 or GH5s camera, I plan on adding one to my GH5 camera kit because of the RAW recording and it's low price. I am also curious to see how the ProRes recording compares to Panasonic's 10-bit ALL-I recording.

April 16, 2018 at 3:01AM, Edited April 16, 3:01AM

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Guy McLoughlin
Video Producer
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I'm glad someone's not replacing their GH5, since I still have a mind to get one for all of its user-friendly functionality (battery life, weather proofing, flip screen, small size, etc.). But I think a lot about that new BMPCC since I love my original BMPCC, but the more I think about it, the more I consider the practical consequences. I'm not a professional movie maker so, while I want the best picture with the most awesome codec that goes with FCPX, I also have to tone myself down and realize that what I create is not going to go to the big screen, or be anywhere close to the cheapest of indie films (not yet at least, but maybe one day!). The end result of having the new BMPCC then would be MUCH larger storage needs, expensive media cards, and slowed editing due to the huge files. You gotta ask if that's worth it. Of course it's not, but what makes rational sense doesn't always guide what I want, or get ;)

April 17, 2018 at 5:27PM, Edited April 17, 5:27PM

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Harlan Rumjahn
Low-level government official
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I hear you, but at this price, I feel like it's time to upgrade and not worry about storage needs, considering there are now 6tb drives out there for $110! And I've also found that not everyone knows this, but you don't really need a faster computer to edit 4k, just to view them. You use Proxy Files to edit, meaning you make copies of your 4k files at 1080p and edit those, then conform to 4k somewhere down the pike. But even if you're shooting at 1080p, the images from their new Sensor are sure to look stunning!

April 22, 2018 at 2:20PM

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Edmund Lloyd
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