April 25, 2015 at 3:25PM

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Is the 5DII a big enough upgrade from the t2i/EOS M? Or keep saving?

Hey all,

I got a new job, and I want to upgrade my body-- ive been shooting on a t2i and eos m for a while now. I've got an opportunity to get a 5DII for $800, but I was thinking about saving up longer for an a7s or c100 instead-- is it worth the weight, or will I notice a big jump in quality just with the 5DII? I shoot a lot of concerts and nighttime narrative stuff, so low light is important (I've got a bunch of fast primes already)

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At $800 I would definitely buy the 5D Mkii camera, and keep in mind that you can sell it in a year or so and get most of your money back. It's a big step up from the T2i.

April 25, 2015 at 7:38PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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True, but my alternative uses of the money are a 24-70 f.28/L Mk I, or a 14mm rokinon + 35mm f/1.4 Nikkor + 85mm f/1.4 Nikkor, so is it a big enough jump to eschew these lens upgrades?

April 26, 2015 at 8:43AM

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All of these lenses are made for a Full Frame camera, so while they will work with an APS-C camera, you won't get the full benefit from them from a crop camera. ( I use 8 Nikon AI-S primes with my GH4, but they are all normal - telephoto FOV for me, which is why I also use native Micro 4/3 lenses for wide-angle work )

April 26, 2015 at 4:25PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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I actually like using FF lenses on a crop sensor-- with APS-C i can still get wide, plus for some of the older or cheaper lenses I have, I get the sweeter spots of the lens with less fall-off on the corners.

I'm definitely looking to FF as an option for the future, though, especially for the low light sensitivity

April 26, 2015 at 10:13PM

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That's a good price for what is still a quality camera. To that price, add the mosaic engineering aliasing / moire filter. Works really well.

I have both the a7s and 5d. Way prefer the colors from the 5d, but the detail, dynamic range and low light ability of the a7s are far better, so is the internal codec. Magic lantern raw is another option, but those file sizes are huge and probably not suited to what you're doing.

The other factor to consider is weather sealing. The weather sealing is awesome on the 5D, that thing is a brick! Nothing kills it. The a7s on the other hand, as soon as rain clouds are showing it is back in the bag and undercover.

April 27, 2015 at 3:11AM, Edited April 27, 3:23AM

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Dean Butler
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FWIW...I was advising a local guy on camera purchases for his TV show (e.g. https://youtu.be/7pmC2Y0ktrc?t=30s) before he knew anything. He ended up buying a variety of Canon bodies: t3i, 7D, and 5DII. Three years later he knows quite a bit, and has told me that the biggest waste of money in his productions was the 5DII. He and I would both say get the lenses.

April 27, 2015 at 10:17AM, Edited April 27, 10:20AM

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Yeah-- I think I'm gonna do this, this makes the most sense. Thanks.

April 27, 2015 at 11:56AM

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I have an EOS-M and have got an M42 adapter. For that I have now got a Japanese Super Takumar and a Russian Helios 44. Aperture and focusing are manual and the Super Takumar is sufficiently radioactive that I don't want to carry it in a trouser pocket.

As an impulse buy on ebay I got a Minolta CM lens (£3 for goodness sake) and ordered the adapter. I saw a large telephoto lens in a Cash Generator store in town . They hadn't a clue as to what it was but I saw it was marked CM. £10.

My name is Julian and I am a lens addict...

April 28, 2015 at 2:00PM

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Julian Richards
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I have my Minolta adapter. The telephoto is marked MC (just like the Minolta C prime) but is not Minolta C, it is, I now believe, Pentax K (?) which does look very similar. Damn you Mitakon! Another adapter? If I can get my money back, I might just sell it on.

April 30, 2015 at 2:55PM

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Julian Richards
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Just a quick question, how is the low light on the 5dmkii compare to GH2?
What's are the advantages?

April 27, 2015 at 10:53AM, Edited April 27, 10:53AM

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Keith Kim
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The 5D Mk2 is at least 2-3 F-stops better than the GH2. The GH2 is NOT a good low-light camera, once you are past 800 ISO the image gets very noisy.

April 27, 2015 at 1:45PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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Awesome, good to know. TYTY. I do still own my gh2 but I never owned the 5dmkii.

April 27, 2015 at 3:10PM

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Keith Kim
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in my opinion get the t2i. watch kendy ti videos over vimeo. if the video is shot with the t2i is usually written in the comments or the description.
https://vimeo.com/kendyty

April 27, 2015 at 12:53PM

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Kendy does amazing work, but it's all in how he treats his footage in post that makes it look the way it does. He could be shooting with a digital pocket camera and still get the color he's after because of his post production workflow.

April 27, 2015 at 1:44PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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I don't think that the 5DMkII is enough of a difference from the T2i. I mean for about a little more you could get a GH4 or Blackmagic Pocket. The biggest image quality issue with the t2i is resolution/detail and bit rate. (resolution not because 1080 but because it uses an up-sample from something-like 800p)

April 27, 2015 at 8:40PM

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Zachary Will
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I will be the devil's advocate here but I think you souldn't get the 5dII, the image difference in video is not noticable, I do often multi camera with the 5DII, EOSM and T3i and in video I don't see the difference, it's really the lenses that makes a difference, not the camera.
So If you want to ad the 5D to your kit it's a good idea because you can get better depth of field and better low-light while still maching your other camera but if you want to trade your kit for the 5D, I think it's not worth because the quality gain is very little.

April 30, 2015 at 3:29AM

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AvdS
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I think that you are so right about lenses. With the 3 cameras that you have, do you swap lenses between them? How does each camera compare with the same lens? I plan to run all my lenses via my EOS-M to see how what's the difference. When I do, I'll put the results up online.

May 9, 2015 at 11:57AM

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Julian Richards
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http://imgur.com/a/JzSyI?gallery#0

A pretty good showing for the ebay old school lenses (inc a £3 Centon)

May 13, 2015 at 5:59AM

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Julian Richards
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IMHO, the only meaningful camera body upgrade from the t2i class on an $800 budget is the BMPCC used. And that is a big upgrade. The exception is if you need stills, than the 5dm2 is a great choice, but not much of a video upgrade. If you just want to spend $800 and the t2i gives you good enough IC, buying lenses depends on your upgrade path (super16, m43, super35 or full frame), but you could easily buy some quality hardware (great fluid head, sticks, C-stands, lights), I find those are the most future proof things to get...

April 30, 2015 at 9:58AM

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Almosh Taltosh
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I totally agree. I'm surprised no one else mentioned this yet. The video quality from the 5D II compared to what you get from the BMPCC is vastly different in terms of resolution, color and, (esp.!), gradability.

Just the codec- all else aside- is a massive leap forward. I don't have any brand biases, so I've shot on a lot of different cameras. The FS-100 is an incredibly capable camera, better in some ways than the Blackmagic Pocket (low light, e.g.), but the 4:2:0 8 bit AVCHD files that come out of it fall apart roughly 5 to 10 times faster than the 4:2:2 10 bit ProResHQ from the BMC's. It can make the difference between using a shot and not being able to (if you exposed a little high or low, for example).

For $800, the BMPCC would absolutely be my recommendation. Cheers!

April 30, 2015 at 8:19PM, Edited April 30, 8:19PM

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5d2 isnt too much of an upgrade. Crossgrade with a GH2 or 3 to get some different options and buy some additional glass or just put all your money into glass.

Id be buying lights if it were my setup. Never can have too much light to use.

January 24, 2016 at 5:11PM

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Chris Hackett
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