April 7, 2016 at 4:23PM

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Editing Machine

Hello to you all!
I have a question for you.
I am an editor and i need a new system, cause my current one has it's problems. I currently edit in a 4 year old i7, 16gb ram, AMD 7870 2gb. It was pretty decent since it started dying.
Anyways, now i am in a situation where I am thinking to make a purchase.
I am in between a workstation maybe Dell or Hp with a Xeon 6 core or an i7 skylake 32 gb ram and quadro k2200 4gb. I guess that this will serve me well. I do mostly edit HD or 4k from my sony cameras, meaning XAVC- s, I do multicams, though not everyday and i do color correct and play a lot with blurs, mask etc. I use adobe most of the time and some Davinci Resolve.
I don't need a rocket machine. I know that i can't afford it. But i can spend around 3-3.500euros on a system. I don't want a DIY system cause since i was a kid i had problems.
And now the big question. Windows branded workstation or imac 5k maxxed out. ( I should say that i have read some comments against the imac for the Adobe CC stuff.) Please help.

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I recommand one of the HP Z800s. At this time the Z840 is the latest modell. It's about 3.200€ (about 3.500$). And you can upgrade it for the next 10-15 years.

April 7, 2016 at 4:45PM

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Eric Halbherr
Director, DP, Editor, Creative Storyteller
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So you think this will serve me better than the imac? how about stability?

April 7, 2016 at 6:43PM

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A PC will be much faster in processing power, but a Mac will always be much more reliable. Macs also last much longer for professional tasks, good luck having a PC still work for editing in two years.

If I have a PC workstation for post I would not hook it up to the Internet. I could not risk my projects becoming inaccessible due to a virus.

That's where a Mac will always win if you are a one man band and cannot afford several computers.

April 9, 2016 at 9:00AM

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Absolutely false dude. PC can give you twice the specs, for half the cost... PLUS the ability to upgrade it. Mac is no more safe than anyone who knows how to install good antivirus on their machine.

April 11, 2016 at 12:12PM

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Jordan Mederich
Documentarian / Filmmaker
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I completely agree with everything both of you are saying, it was part of my comment.

Few things to keep in mind when building an all around editing/colorist/sound computer:

The monitor is super important. This is one of the main reasons a Mac is so appealing the monitor has great colors and is calibrated at the factory to be as accurate as possible.

On a PC you are left spending over $1K for a decent monitor, still not as good as the iMac though. HP dream color is what I would go with to have quality but not break the bank. Still more than an iMac.

I had PCs my whole life until 6 years ago when I bought my first Mac, I will never go back. I had an HP, top of the line, spent over $3K on it. I fried it in under three months. The hardware could not handle rendering overnight, every night for weeks. A Mac on the other hand can do this no problem at all.

I leave my iMac on constantly rendering/working and after five years it is still running 100%. I edit red footage on it all the time no problem in premiere. I have no reason to upgrade at this time, my machine still runs perfectly for all tasks. 0 slow downs, 0 bugs, overall 0 problems over six years.

I doubt any PC can handle the workflow I through at my computer, unless I spent much more than a Mac. I trust my Mac, it has never let me down.

Over my 20 year experience with PC I only remember them letting me down. I hate defragmenting, I will never do that again. I hate virus software, I will never do that again. Disk cleanup? Hahaha! It all wastes time, time I need to do my work.

Have fun fighting your computer I gotta get back to editing my third feature this year.

April 11, 2016 at 5:38PM

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Why would you need a quadro k2200 4gb?

Unless you absolutely require 10 bit output you are bound to waste your money. Instead get an NVIDIA 970 or 980, those cards make shredded potatoes out of this old quadro k2200.

April 7, 2016 at 8:16PM, Edited April 7, 9:14PM

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Cary Knoop
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I know that but the problem is that i cannot find a workstation class machine with either 970 or 980...

April 8, 2016 at 6:53AM

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Build your own PC

April 9, 2016 at 2:31PM

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Alexandra
Videographer / Documentary Filmmaker
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eBay is an excellent resource for what you are looking for. You can find odd configurations on there such as Z820 workstations with Geforce cards. I don't recommend Geforce cards in a professional workstation but they are a budget-friendly alternative to Quadros. I would also highly recommend Puget systems! I have gotten $10K systems from them, excellent performance and reliability!

When dealing with a medium or low budget, I rarely recommend a brand new system or buying the latest tech simply because it never lines up with the price vs performance curve. I would recommend looking at a high-end previous gen system, perhaps even dual processor! For instance, dual quad xeons (v2) running @ 3.5ghz blaze through almost anything with ease. Combine that with 64gb of ECC ram and a few SDDs in separate raids on a second hand dedicated raid card, your system will slice and dice anything you throw at it.

When it comes to graphics cards for adobe, take a look at this:

http://www.redsharknews.com/technology/item/3274-which-nvidia-quadro-wor...

Really shows where Adobe is lacking!

So if your looking for something new, my recommendation is to check out Puget Systems! https://www.pugetsystems.com/configure.php
You can get amazing machines built & configured there and their service is top notch!!

With them, you can mix dual Xeons and Geforce GTX 980's :)

And this is coming from an all Mac advocate :)

April 9, 2016 at 4:19PM, Edited April 9, 4:21PM

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Jakob Woodruff
Director of Photography, Editor & Colorist
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An interesting thing I can point out is that I would spend the
money on bigger monitors and better graphics card than more
horsepower.

For some of our 4k editing we actually use a cheap but good
Socket G34 LGA-1944 Motherboard ($340 US) and two
8-core 64-bit Opteron chips 2.8 GHZ ($400 each
of Opteron OS6328WKT8GHK Socket G34 chips).

Then add 64 Gigabytes of RAM ($365) and multiple 7200 RPM
Western Digital 4 Terabyte drives (get four at $196 US each at Amazon)
and RAID them with onboard controller or a decent RAID card.
Then spend $900 for a Sapphire AMD Fury-X graphics card with the
8 gigabyte upgrade which is a LOT CHEAPER than the Quadros
for sometimes FASTER performance!

For all of the above less than $3200 US!

But the key thing is to buy one or two Dell Ultra HD 24 inch
4k monitors for $389 each at Amazon. Then you can edit
to your hearts content at full 4k. The key thing is on the
graphics card if you get the 8 gigabyte version you can
drive TWO 4k displays otherwise you're stuck using
ONE 4k display!

And for 4K editing, we actually use Corel Video Studio latest version
with Boris FX for video FX/Colour Correction and Sony Sound Forge
for our Audio editing/post production. and Nero Burning ROM for
BluRAY disc export and burning!

Davinci Resolve 12 should also work for your needs!

April 11, 2016 at 3:14PM, Edited April 11, 3:20PM

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Henry A. Eckstein
Director, Research and Development
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You wrote: "But the key thing is to buy one or two Dell Ultra HD 24 inch
4k monitors for $389 each at Amazon."

I beg to differ, buying a UHD 24 inch monitor is a waste of money as the monitor is simply too small for the eyes to see all the details.

I think you will be much better off buying one 40-43inch UHD monitor. But make sure the monitor can interface using a Display Port to ensure 4:4:4 color accuracy.

For instance the Philips 40 inch:

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-BDM4065UC-Resolution-Speakers-DisplayPort/...

April 13, 2016 at 1:55AM, Edited April 13, 1:56AM

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Cary Knoop
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