June 11, 2015 at 11:19AM

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Sony A7R II vs Canon XC10

Cons and Pros of each camera? Except for both doing 4k that is :)

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Completely different cameras. You should be comparing the new $1,300 Sony RX10 Mk2 against the Canon XC10, which I think will beat the Canon XC10 at almost everything and yet it's HALF the price of the Canon.

Canon RX10 = Dead Duck

June 11, 2015 at 1:30PM, Edited June 11, 1:31PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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A7R II with a 10x Sony 24-240 lens is $4200, about twice the price of XC10, so not really comparable. Sony PXW-X70 is closest in price, but the cheaper RX10 II is closer in form factor.

June 12, 2015 at 5:13AM

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Sten Rosendahl
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But the Canon XC 10 is only 600 ish dollars cheaper than the A7rII body. How can you compare it to the 1300 dollar RX10 ?? It sounds absurd? You can extract stills from the Canon also.

June 12, 2015 at 7:07AM

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>>>How can you compare it to the 1300 dollar RX10 ?? It sounds absurd?

Because the feature set is almost identical between these two cameras, and I think the Sony camera pulls ahead with better features at HALF the price of the Canon camera.

- Sony has sharp Zeiss lens with constant f/2.8 throughout it's full zoom range
- Sony shoots slow motion up to 960 frames per second
- Sony features 4K S-Log 2 recording using 100 Mbps XAVC S CODEC
- Sony has wider angle of view than Canon ( I almost never use the long end of a zoom, but I always use the wide end )

I honestly can't see how Canon can possibly sell the CX10 when Sony is selling a better camera at HALF the price. This is why I think the CX10 is a dead duck.

June 12, 2015 at 10:09AM

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Guy McLoughlin
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Yes, but isn't the Canon 4:2:2 colorspace? The new Sony cameras are all 4:2:0 :(

June 12, 2015 at 4:07PM

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>>>but isn't the Canon 4:2:2 colorspace? The new Sony cameras are all 4:2:0 :(

If you've seen the many examples of Panasonic GH4 4K 4:2:0 color space compared to externally recorded Panasonic GH4 4K 4:2:2 color space, the difference is pretty much invisible to most viewers.

I don't think anyone will care about Canon CX10 4:2:2 color space, when the Canon camera has a zoom lens that ramps from f/2.8 to f/5.6 all by itself. This is a very sh*tty zoom lens that Canon is shipping with this new camera.

And once you factor in the HUGE difference in slow-motion capability between these two cameras, nobody is going to give the Canon CX10 a second look.

You could almost buy TWO Sony RX-10 Mk2 cameras for the price of ONE Canon CX10 camera.

June 12, 2015 at 8:51PM, Edited June 12, 8:51PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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4:2:2 is supposed to give you higher quality when grading, and it's often a requirement for broadcast work. With the GH4, RX10, A7S and A7R II, you need an external recorder to get 4:2:2. XC10 records 4:2:2 internally both in 4k and Full HD.

Even if the RX10 II seems tempting, the question is how cinematic its S-log2 will be compared to the C-Log of of XC10. What will be interesting is to compare the low-light capabilities: XC10 can do ISO 20000 and RX10 II can do ISO 25600 in extended mode.

June 13, 2015 at 3:27PM

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Sten Rosendahl
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>>>4:2:2 is supposed to give you higher quality when grading, and it's often a requirement for broadcast work

While it's part of the broadcast spec, there's tons of 4:2:0 footage being broadcast.

Where I have heard that 4:2:2 makes a difference is VFX work, where they normally want 4:4:4 footage to work with.

>>>he question is how cinematic its S-log2 will be compared to the C-Log of of XC10

Or you could reverse this, with how cinematic the Canon C-log is going to be compared to Sony S-log2.

The only area where I expect the Canon will out perform the Sony RX10 Mk2 is in clip length, where the RX10 Mk2 will stop recording at 30 minutes and you will have to restart recording again, I suspect the Canon CX10 will keep going until your card is full or the battery has died.

June 13, 2015 at 7:40PM

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