May 28, 2016 at 1:23PM

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Can the bloke using 'Arrey Alexa' tags please stop (tag)spamming?

Yes, you know who you are, A.F.
Most will know :-p
I understand you are desperate to get traffic to your website, just like every filmmaker wants to attract viewers.
I don't believe you will stop posting your links here, but please, stop sabotaging the search engine of the NFS boards with your unhygienic tagging. You just add totally unrelated tags to make your 'discussions' look 'relevant', but what you actually do is:
- destroying the possibility for anyone to search something in the discussion boards
- steal attention from discussions that might actually be relevant to a search
- annoy the hell out of the NFS community, because you are littering the boards

So, the minimal first step would be to only add relevant tags.

Thank you!

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Nothing's gonna change until the stupid mods here do something about it.

May 30, 2016 at 11:55AM

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Clark McCauley
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Just to point this out I really liked his podcasts but started hating him just for the reason he keeps spamming here and advertising his channel like a total jerk.

May 30, 2016 at 4:14PM

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Marcin
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Great reply :-)

WalterBrokx

May 30, 2016 at 6:09PM

Why do you have so much hate for someone trying to giving away free podcasts/information? He seems like a knowledgable fellow with connections to some of the top artists in the industry. I found his podcast with Robert Rodriguez to be pretty awesome.

Sure he is getting free advertising, but it's not like he is reposting the same podcast over and over. He posts an update to let people know, maybe he doesn't have a lot to spend on advertising. This isn't a reason to constantly obsess over him like I have been seeing on multiple posts.

This site has become a lair of fools spewing hate at those with some knowledge in the the industry. Alex is in LA, working in the industry. Maybe if some of you actually read you would get something out of his posts instead of gushing hate.

May 30, 2016 at 8:40PM, Edited May 30, 8:40PM

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Did you read my post?
I don't like the way he spams, because he destroys the search engine of NFS with all the non related tags he uses. He is the only one who uses 20 up to 40 tags to tags his post, and most tags are not related.
His most recent post about Vilmos Zsigmond has 34 tags. Only 4 are truly relevant. At least 27 are random (naming brands or 'activities' like postproduction or screenwriting or film marketing). 1 is used twice. And 'film' is a stupid tag as (almost) every topic is related to film.

That is shitting in the pond of knowlegde making it undrinkable for the thirsty.
I'm only asking him to not polute the NFS habitat like that.

No matter how great the content is, he needs to stop doing that.
His posts show up when they are not related to a search or next to another post you are reading. Once you read one of his, other related posts have a very small change to surface, because his tagspams mostly just show his posts, even when they are unrelated.

WalterBrokx

May 31, 2016 at 5:21AM

Nobody is obsessing over him, when you go to the boards, his posts dominate the pages because he has tons of unrelated tags. We just want him to stop that, there's a few newbies on the post asking info that could be a help in starting their career but the post can't be seen.

And you can't argue just search for whatever you need, because all the unrelated tags are ruining the search function.

I like his site because he gathers all this info. Though, I disagree with him not giving credit to the authors on his site because that's all he's doing is gathering stuff and putting it on his stuff but he really needs to credit the original authors who created the content.

Tony Adalbert

May 31, 2016 at 5:48PM

There are at least 3 threads asking for him to be banned, and all of his posts have comments telling him to stop... and nothing has changed.

NFS is not going to do anything.

May 31, 2016 at 10:20AM

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Jordan Mederich
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One of the editors has noticed and are figuring out something. There at least aware of it.

Tony Adalbert

May 31, 2016 at 3:40PM

Rumor has it the editors are aware of it and they are figuring out what to do.
(Thanks , Tony)

My suggested solution is a hell of a job: delete the unrelated tags.
This will clean up the searchengine.

June 1, 2016 at 5:48AM, Edited June 1, 5:48AM

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WalterBrokx
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It makes me sad that the guy we are talking about hasn't read or happily ignored this question. It would have been so cool if he would only say: "Sorry, won't happen again."
Instead a post appeared with the same diarrhea of tags as always.

This is a clear symptome of a serial drive-by poster: 99% of the time he is only coming here to post his links and maybe 1% interaction of which a big part is just posting a link, lol.

ALEX!
I UNDERSTAND YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE TO SHARE!
I DON'T MIND ABOUT YOU POSTING HERE.
BUT PLEASE!
STOP THE TAGSPAMMING! YOU'RE RUINING THE SEARCH ON THE BOARDS!

(I gues you'll never read this. You can't hear typed shouting if you don't read, but it had to be said :-p )

June 1, 2016 at 1:26PM

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WalterBrokx
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Someone is off their medication...

NinjaMonkey

June 1, 2016 at 1:54PM

Well Ninja I think he's absolutely right. If this thread now appears at the main page, and Alex still posted another crap with tons of unrelated tags then he just ignored this thread or he didn't even see it because as Walter wrote "99% of the time he is only coming here to post his links".

Marcin

June 1, 2016 at 4:39PM

Sir Ninja,
I know we disagree on this matter.
That is perfectly fine with me.
The fact you have no true arguments against my position in this discussion, but an unfounded (and I bet meant as humor, since I can laugh at it as well: it surely looks like I lost it, right, lol) insinuation somehow shows I'm not really a lunatic :-p

WalterBrokx

June 1, 2016 at 5:44PM

You are screaming at a dude giving you a free podcast to further your skills/education. I don't need anything more to win this aurgument, you need to relax and go film something.

NinjaMonkey

June 1, 2016 at 8:49PM

Monkey I think you're missing the point, and it is best that we finish that "argument" because theres no point in having this conversation with such an ignorant person like you.

Marcin

June 2, 2016 at 4:48AM

No, it is not about the free podcasts at all.
I see the subtleties totally elude you.
Imagine a baker giving you free bread every day: that is great. BUT he dumps all his garbage and shit on your doorstep and in the streets, so everytime you go out to get some groceries to put on your free bread, you have to wade through 3 feet of garbage.

I would not accept that.
The free bread doesn't give him a pass to litter and let everyone wade through shit.
No matter how great the bread tastes.
Actually, I think that baker can still make great bread without creating such a mess.
That way everyone will be much happier: you, because you still have your bread. And the rest of the neighbourhood, because they can walk the streets in a normal way.
Oh, poor baker: he needs to behave a little bit like all the decent grownups in the rest of the street. I'm sure he will be happier too when people can smell the freshly baked bread again, instead of the smell of decomposing garbage.

In other words: when someone is poluting the neighbourhood deliberately, I don't care what good they do, because the act of poluting is always wrong.
I am totally relaxed, btw.

PS.
No filming today.
Just editing a promo and writing a few quotations for future projects :-)

WalterBrokx

June 2, 2016 at 6:41AM

Yeah, you make absolutely zero sense. Your justification is absurd. You are coming to filmmaking site, meant to give tips on filmmaking. His articles are much more appropriate that garbage on your doorstep.

Good luck with justifying your blind hatred for those more talented than you.

June 2, 2016 at 10:02AM, Edited June 2, 10:02AM

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JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS -

NinjaMonkey either IS, or is related to Alex Ferrari in some way.

Every one of his posts (check his account feed) is defending Alex, as he ruins our valuable boards. Just FYI.

ALSO - NinjaMonkey is breaking community guidelines using a fake name. Check the rules dude: http://nofilmschool.com/guidelines

I say we lump them together and send them to work on House Party 5. ;)

June 2, 2016 at 10:57AM, Edited June 2, 10:59AM

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Jordan Mederich
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No, I'm sue Ninja is not AF.
He is just defending AF, because he likes the podcasts (and he seems to miss the point about tagspamming).

Besides that Ninja may now be 'defending' AF, he never links to the podcasts and even has different opinions/experiences on whether or not the type of camera you use matters.
He always has a strong opinion on the NFS board, which is perfectly fine with me.
Sometimes we agree and sometimes we don't. :-)

WalterBrokx

June 2, 2016 at 11:06AM

*sue = sure

oops

WalterBrokx

June 2, 2016 at 11:09AM, Edited June 2, 11:09AM

@NinjaMonkey:

I'm not blind, but you have trouble with reading:
the articles are the bread.
The tagspamming is the garbage.

Maybe the comparison was a bit too poetic for you, so I'll make it very literal for you. :-)

Try and do a search for, lets say 'Red Epic'.
View all the results from the boards (260+):
in the top 10, result 7, 8, 9 and 10 are A.F's posts. Perfectly fine if those results were relevant.
Unfortunatley: 8 (about getting ripped off in post), 9 (about lenses) and 10 (about agents) have no real connection to the query.
Only number 7 does (about that nobody cares about what camera you use) in a very loose manner: it isn't really about Red Epic either, to be honest.

Page 2:
8 out of 10 are AF-posts. Only one is a little bit relevant for the search.

Page 3:
all 10 results are AF-posts. None are truly relevant to 'Red Epic'.
Even a post about Kubrick appears and is tagged with multiple Red cameras. Kubrick died in 1999. Years before RED One saw the light of day.

Page 4:
31, 32, 33, 34, 35: AF posts, but irrelevant for the 'Red Epic' search.
Even a post about Akira Kurosawa. I don't think he ever heard about a Red Epic. :-p

So, when you do a search on the boards about 'Red Epic', you'll get at least 25 unrelated search results in the top 35 search results, because he is TAG SPAMMING like crazy. 2 of his posts are just a little bit relevant to the search.
Without the spamming with tags, search result number 36 on page 4, would appear as number 10 (or 9) on page one.
These 25 results that are totally non related is the garbage you need to wade through, because someone thinks it is normal to polute the boards in this way, because it is the most convenient for him and him only.

This is what it is about.
If this still makes no sense to you:
I understand love makes blind as well. ;-)

You justify the tagspamming, because of the podcasts.
I say those 2 things are not really connected: the content of the podcasts won't deminish without tagspamming. So using the content of a podcast to justify littering on another board is a bit silly.
But I do know this: the boards (and the search) will function a lot better without the tagspamming.
This means: you won't lose the podcasts, NFS will benefit from a more effective search engine. Only AF might feel like losing, because he will lose the positions in the searchresults that he stole from other posts (that are more related to the subject) in the first place.

I don't think I can make it anymore clear than this.

Nevermind.
I'm not a hater: I only ask to stop destroying the search engine of NFS with all the irrelevant tags. (I've seen others with more a merciless points of view, btw.)
Yes, I took a more dramatic approach when I used capitals to 'yell'.
Not because I was so enraged in anger that I could not stop myself from using [caps lock], LOL, but because there has to be a way to get the request to the preferred audience.
Alas, this 1 person audience is just busy broadcasting his adverts and appaerently has no time to also read what goes on.

June 2, 2016 at 11:00AM

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WalterBrokx
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You really need to learn to read Walter, you look like a jealous little girl. ALL of his tags are related to filmmaking, if you added non filmmaking tags I would be on your side.

Unfortunately you are too full of hate for Alex you are too blind to see this. Filmmaking tags should be acceptable, but I guess because you are angry with your life you can't see this.

NinjaMonkey

June 2, 2016 at 11:59AM

Excuse me, Ninja, but your logic is illogical.
I can read.
You can read as well, I think.
But I don't think we understand language, logic and context on the same level. Sorry.

If all filmmaking tags are relevant and everyone is adding all filmmaking tags to every posts, what is the use of tags?
This is a filmmaking website. Yes.
That does not make every tag relevant to every post.
If I write a post about Kubrick and use the following tags:
'Red Epic' 'Red Weapon' 'Blackmagic cameras' 'Charlie Chaplin' 'Akira Kurosawa' 'iphone filmfestival' those tags are unrelated to the post, eventhough they all have a connection to filmmaking. If I did write about Chaplin and Kubrick: the Chaplin tag would be relevant as well. But those camera tags wouldn't be. They would never be, since both men died before those cameras existed.
Unless you write about emulation a look from a Kubrick film using a RED Epic. In that case 'Kubrick' and 'Red Epic' are relevant.

Your reasoning displays a lack of understanding of the function of tagging related to message boards and search engines.

Actually using every noun known in filmmaking is pretty redundant, because we all already know we are on a filmmaking website. We don't need the tags to remind us. The tags are here to help find specific subjects. Tags become useless when they are used randomly.
Tags are what the alphabetical order of words in a dictionary is: a tool to find information.
Making tags useless with tagspamming is like putting all words in a dictionary randomly: it becomes a PITA to find what you are looking for.

It is like apples and fruits.
All apples (from a tree, that is) are fruits. But not all fruits are apples.
(Apples are part of the fruit collection. You can draw it to visualise it. Collections are a pretty basic concept in mathematics as well.)
If the groceryman thinks that calling bananas and oranges 'apples' makes sense, he needs either some education or a new job.

Just saying I hate someone or myself, because you clearly don't grasp the pretty obvious subtleties, doesn't convince at all.
I don't hate Alex at all, nor do I hate myself, my life or you.
Your defense for tagspamming is rediculous. I understand it is based in love.
But you don't have to fear me: I'm not asking anyone to ban Alex.
I'm asking Alex to keep his tags relevant to the subject of his posts.
Your defense sounds rather like you have no clue about what I am talking about and that you try to hide that notion behind "you are just yealous!"
I have no problem with Alex. I have a problem with tagspamming. He just happens to be the one who seems to be the only one doing this.

Give me one very good reason why anyone must use over 25 non related tags for his or her posts, that is not based on a total misconception of the function of tagging. And while you are at it: explain how the NFS community will gain from massive tag spamming by everyone.

June 2, 2016 at 12:47PM

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WalterBrokx
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You need to calm down Walter...go smoke a bowl and relax...your rage has caused you to misspell half of your reply to me. BTW I have never been "yealous." Hahaha

NinjaMonkey

June 2, 2016 at 1:21PM

lol, my mistake.
English is not my native language, nor my 'daily language'.
(Hmmm, half? Feel free to post the corrections: I'm always willing to learn.
Ridiculous, grocer, jealous, tag spamming with spaces: I sometimes forget English hardly ever combines words)

But you still haven't produced any credible defense for the use of tag spam.
All I've seen are attempts to move away from the topic by trying to project some emotion on me or utter nonsense like "all tags related to filmmaking are relevant to each post".
I totally understand why you do that.
You just can't formulate any good reason for tag spamming, because there is none.

Thanks for the heads up on the spelling.
I doesn't change the validity of arguments, IMHO :-p

Rage?
No rage here. Quite some laughter, actually.
Maybe you should smoke less to understand the core of this discussion ;-)
Weed does not sharper the intellect.

WalterBrokx

June 2, 2016 at 1:44PM

NinjaMonkey, talking down to people and attacking their spelling just because you don't have anything relevant to add is quite unnecessary. Walter has been nothing but respectful when addressing you and taken time out of his day to explain in detail the reason behind this thread; A reason you clearly misunderstood judging from your previous posts.
Let's keep it civil!

OnT: Alex did reply in
http://nofilmschool.com/boards/discussions/vilmos-zsigmond-cinematograph...

June 2, 2016 at 1:45PM, Edited June 2, 1:49PM

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Tobias N
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I feel like Ninjamonkey is just trolling. Every post is him just putting down people.

Tony Adalbert

June 2, 2016 at 3:12PM

Thanks for the heads up, Tobias!

It is official :-)
We got a reply. I'm happy and I hope everyone* will use tags in a helpfull way from now on :-)

*) This tread might have seemed to be about me being against an individual, but I'm only against tag spamming. But enough about that.

Let's all continue in our filmmaking efforts and creat great stuff!

June 2, 2016 at 2:11PM

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WalterBrokx
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Hey Walter,

Man I'm so sorry about the tag siutation. I had no idea this was an issue and it would cause this much uproar. Sorry. I would go back and erase them if I could but I can't edit the older posts anymore. Moving forward I'll be very careful what tags I use. Again my apologies to everyone. It won't happen anymore.

Good luck with all your future filmmaking adventures. All the best!

June 2, 2016 at 3:48PM

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Alex Ferrari
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Your kind words, maturity, and understanding set an example for all those on this board. Good luck to you in everything.

Jacob Floyd

June 2, 2016 at 8:35PM, Edited June 2, 8:35PM

Moving forward, don't spam the boards with links to your own site. Either pay for advertising, or don't post.

Jordan Mederich

June 2, 2016 at 11:33PM

Hi Alex,
thanks for reaching out :-)
If only the boards had a mention or PM system I wouldn't have to start a forest fire ;-)

Together we can keep the boards inspirational and usefull at the same time.

June 3, 2016 at 9:44AM

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WalterBrokx
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Just to add a quick note here...

NFS is great with content, but the boards seriously struggle. I'm launching a NEW boards site for NFS users... www.FilmSumo.com.

Made by, and FOR NFS users, we can add any features we want, many features requested here I've already implemented, and happy to implement more as requested.

Please do register (free) and start some conversations!

www.FilmSumo.com

June 27, 2016 at 10:53PM

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Jordan Mederich
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Although this topic has been settled (thanks Alex!), I got a sudden insight that might help Ninja Monkey to understand the problem of tag spamming.
So I found a new analogy:

Imagine NFS is a enormous, vast supermarket with tons of products and brands and a quite complicated floorplan. To find what you need, you need roadsigns. So when you need milk and yoghurt, you follow the signs that point the way to the dairy products.
Makes perfect sense, right?
After following the right signs, you come to this department with a huge sign hanging above it: "dairy products". You found the spot to get the milk and yoghurt, but only now you discover this department is filled with toiletpaper, diapers and spam.
WTF!
And then you discover that where you expected to get apples, they only have steak and spam.
So you need to walk for hours to get what you are looking for, because the sighs are wrong.

Tag spamming is like those wrong signs: they lead you to something you aren't looking for.
You are saying you don't mind the wrong signs, because they also sell your favourite brand of spam.

Even if that supermarket sells your favourite brand of spam, it is silly to say it is okay that the signs are all wrong.
(And to make sure people don't get used to the wrong signs: the next day the dairy section contains other wrong products, so you always have to search in an inefficient way :-p It is the supermarket from hell! And when you finally found the right place, someone else takes the last item ;-) )

When I was writing this, I also had to think about this Monty Python sketch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE
In my first draft it only said 'toiletpaper and diapers', but I just had add spam to it :-p

So, this is my last effort to explain to Ninja Monkey that I'm not against anyone posting on NFS, I just want to signs to be helpful in finding what anyone is looking for. When the signs are used correctly, you can also still find your favourite brand of spam in the correct section.
I hope you now truly see my point of view :-)

July 2, 2016 at 8:24PM

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