September 19, 2014 at 12:14PM

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How does the point system work on NFS? And....

Alright, maybe this has been addressed but I haven't seen it anywhere.

I think I had like 250+ points not too long ago. I'm below 200 now. I haven't done that much on NFS in the interim. So why the drop in points. Do you lose points for not participating? Have I had that many people mark down my comments?

Looking around at other threads and replies I see way too many negative votes for answers that are perfectly intelligent and thoughtful responses. This tells me we have trolls. Thus, my almost immediate suggestion of making up and down votes public should be revisited. If you want to create a community, keep it open, not hidden. Communities are wide open with little to no secrets.

Also, the up and down votes need to be separated..... definitely.

All in all though I like the new NFS, it's just got to go through it's growing pains.

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I agree. Either NFS needs to raise the stakes for downvotes or make it public. Any anonymity leads to "trolling". There are so many helpful and inoffensive topics and comments made that are downvoted for no apparent reason. Or there are opinions expressed that aren't wrong or rude that seem to get downvoted just because someone disagrees with them.

In my mind, the entire point of downvoting is to weed out trolling—to discourage or hide rude or offensive comments, or comments that don't add anything to a discussion. But giving downvotes anonymity or no real consequences seems to do the opposite.

Anonymity is what made the comment section here so obnoxious before the new site. I get that there is -1 point for downvoting, but it's really easy to make up for that, and (as of right now) the points are pretty meaningless.

Just my thoughts—either make downvoting have greater consequence, or get rid of the anonymity.

September 19, 2014 at 5:57PM

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David S.
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Is it pretty common for sites to give a voting history "audit" capability?

I suspect, as you point out, that there are serial downvoters and that the main thing is to find out who's just downvoting a ton of stuff, and suspend/ban them, rather than encourage people to be rooting through histories and doing detective work on a user-to-user basis.

October 3, 2014 at 1:09AM

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Ryan Koo
Founder
Writer/Director

I think a possible answer would be only allowing upvoting and adding moderators to filter out bad/negative content (the same way downvotes usually do). I'm an avid redditor and the subreddits with effective moderation have almost 0 downvote trolling.

Aidan Gray

October 7, 2014 at 4:35AM

This is the only site I know of that takes away points every time someone dislikes a comment or post asa a way to deal with trolling. Most have three options:
-like (up vote)
-dont like (down vote)
-report/flag comment
The third item seems to be the industry standard for dealing with harrasment and trolling.
The only scoring being ones total amount of "likes".Is it possible that this site may someday switch to this method?

Steven Arredondo

August 26, 2015 at 9:11PM

or get rid of down voting altogether. maybe just add a like button instead of up voting.
and with the points just turn them into a post count or something.

October 4, 2014 at 11:00PM

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Michael Militscher
Director / Commercial Producer
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I used to think having public downvotes is a very bad idea, as it could encourage bad feelings between people for having got a downvote.

However... given how I'm seeing downvotes being used at the moment, I'm kinda rethinking if maybe there is merit in it being public. Perhaps, I'm still leaning towards "no" for making them be public. Depends on also how easy this feature is to implement? If very easy, then perhaps just give it a trial run and see how it goes? If it is very hard, I think there is other aspects of the NFS boards which could be developed instead with that time.

October 5, 2014 at 9:34PM

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David Peterson
Wedding Cinematographer
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I think the up down voting could be improved on.... how is the question... making it public surely isn't the answer IDK.... it's a crazy one thats for sure

October 6, 2014 at 7:28AM

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Bryce
whatever... can do any crew position
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The points are BS, they have to go.

Else we'll be coming back to this and walk in circles.

NFS, lets cut the BS now, before there are 10,000+ members who'll commit suicide over you finally seeing the light and ditching this system.

Know what I mean?

PS Oh, and of course, imma plus myself to show the pointless of the voting system where you get to pat yourself on the back ^_^

October 6, 2014 at 8:03PM

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Alex Zakrividoroga
Director
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Should have been "pointlessness"... sounds like another "+"

Amirite?

Alex Zakrividoroga

October 6, 2014 at 8:04PM

Yes it's complicate all but is better that just users can voted... sometimes the people are bad without reason... imagine a lot of downvotes without reason...

October 7, 2014 at 6:04AM

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Ragüel Cremades
Film producer and director
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A down vote should require a reason why the down voter disagree with the comment they're down voting.

October 7, 2014 at 3:35PM

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Reggie Brown
Cinematographer
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its also kind of silly you can up vote your own posts

October 7, 2014 at 6:03PM

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Michael Militscher
Director / Commercial Producer
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Agreed. I think a few users may have skewed point values because of this.

Ryan Toyota

November 3, 2014 at 6:14AM

I'm currently on -12 on the one question I've ever asked on NFS... But it was still appearing on the frontpage (thankfully) so I still got some useful answers!

That tells me that a) lots of people thought the question was crap, and b) the ranking of pages isn't directly related to how high they've scored, but rather how much activity (positive or negative) they're seeing?

It's a shame if there are people who are bothering to mark everything negatively... but in the big scheme of things it doesn't really matter and it's nice that - regardless of score - the community on here are sharing lots of information and helping each other out!

November 3, 2014 at 2:39PM

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Alex Richardson
Director
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What are the voting points for? What do they achieve? If a topic is of interest to me then I will read all the comments and make up my own mind about their value. Just because some people think that spmeone else is a bit of a thickie, that doesn't mean that I don't want to hear what they have to say. In fact, if someone is playing Devil's Advocate then quite possibly they will make the best reading.

If I discover tomorrow that I am now at -10,000 for posting this, I don't intend to cry myself to sleep over it.

March 4, 2015 at 5:32PM

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Julian Richards
Film Warlord
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Okay, so I really, really don't give a f'ck, but this is insane.

There's an article on Mark Duplass' SXSW Keynote, the kind of thing you'd think would be manna for people who want to make indie films - y'know, this site's core readership. I leave a comment with a link to the full video on the SXSW website... and get down-voted. WHAT? Seriously, this is beyond stupid. Someone has taken time out of the empty lives to click a box that says 'Boo! I didn't want to watch the whole speech! How dare you link to it!'

Seriously, somebody feel free to explain exactly what purpose these stupid arrows serve because it's pretty hard to see right now. I also notice a pattern that any article about people who actually, y'know, get off their arses and make stuff seems to attract the most negative feedback, whilst folks jerk themselves dry over the billionth 'This camera does 8K but is really expensive and rubbish anyway' article.

I dunno. Maybe I misunderstood what this site was geared towards.

March 18, 2015 at 1:54PM

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Jon Mills
Filmmaker
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Yesterday I went from some 260 points to 180, in one day.
Nothing with down voting to my knowlegde. I do not understand either how I got these 260 points in the first place ; )
Somebody could explain me what those points are all about?

April 10, 2015 at 6:07AM

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