May 13, 2016 at 5:29AM, Edited May 13, 5:30AM

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New Camera or New Lenses

Hi,

We are planning on filming a feature film this coming august and we are looking to upgrade the equipment we already have.
As of now we have a Mark iii and we film in RAW with MagicLatern. We have an AutoPilot SteadyCam and currently use a 24-105L.
Our two choices are:
1. Buy a Black Magic Ursa Mini 4.6k and 5 Rokinon Lenses (with batteries and cards and everything it would be about $9,100
2. Or Buy 3 XEEN lenses for 7,300 and stick with the mark iii RAW

I feel like with the extra money we could spend it on things like a Follow Focus, Matte Box, More CF Cards, and that the image quality overall would improve with the lenses and not so much the camera. 4k is not important for us.

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If raw is important for you the URSA seems to be a good choice for you. But then it's true raw. The ML does not give you true raw like the URSA does.
I would say get the A7s II and a Ninja Flame. It's not raw but ProRes 422 HQ with S-Log3. Then buy also the Rokinon lenses and a metabones adaptor. Plus some rig and FF stuff.

May 13, 2016 at 7:46AM

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Eric Halbherr
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We are thinking about the FS5 and a Metabones with the Rokinons (24, 35, 50, 85)

What do you mean by true raw? What is the difference between the two?

Brian Jackson

May 24, 2016 at 10:33AM

By your statement that you don't need 4k in your case I would go for the cine-lenses with a Follow Focus or a good rig to use the camera in its best environment.
If you go with the XEEN-Lens option maybe also consider a good wideangle lens to go with the Steadycam which could be a other brand than XEEN because 14mm is already distorted on a Full Frame Camera. Around 16mm would be ideal to use on a Steadycam.

May 13, 2016 at 8:37AM

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Have you looked at the C100 Mark ii with the ninja

May 13, 2016 at 10:18AM

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Prosper Kunyetu
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I think that would blow the budget because he'd still need some decent lenses to work with. The C100 Mk II + Ninja are at least $ 6.000 if not more.

Eric Halbherr

May 14, 2016 at 1:44PM

The Sony FS5 is getting RAW internal recording next month, and might be worth investigating before you make your decision.

May 14, 2016 at 8:51PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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But if you look at the raw setup of the FS7 do you think the FS5's will be any different from the FS7's?
I don't think so because SD cards won't handle 4K raw files. You will need an extra module that ouputs the raw date, one that processes it and one which records it. So it will be double the weight, double the size and probably even double the prize (about $12.000). Then you could just buy the RED Raven for good. Because then you have raw internally and it's much smaller.

(Why is everyone writing "RAW"? It's raw. It's just the word like you would say raw meat. It's just the raw data. It is not a abbreviation)

Eric Halbherr

May 15, 2016 at 4:21AM

I know you say 4K doesn't matter. But if you're making a feature film later this year, lets say its not going to be finished for a year. That puts its release going on for late 2017 where it will be even more of a 4K world. Having it mastered in 4K might well give you more distribution opens when it comes to selling it, ect. So the Ursa might be worth considering for that alone?

May 15, 2016 at 6:21PM, Edited May 15, 6:23PM

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Cole Black
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>>>But if you look at the raw setup of the FS7 do you think the FS5's will be any different from the FS7's?

Yes I do. I expect the FS5 will has some sort of compressed RAW or utilize the latest UHS-I U3 cards that have a sustained WRITE speed of 720 Mbit-sec.

>>>(Why is everyone writing "RAW"? It's raw. It's just the word like you would say raw meat. It's just the raw data. It is not a abbreviation)

Because when it's written as "raw" format it's often constued as "native" format that can mean something entirely different than RAW format. ( even RAW format can mean a bunch of different things depending on the manufacturer of the camera )

May 15, 2016 at 9:12PM, Edited May 15, 9:18PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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The details for the Sony FS5 RAW feature are out : http://goo.gl/ystKkU

Yikes! ...$600 US for the upgrade and about $7,000 US for the sony hardware to record RAW. ( it would be cheaper to buy a Blackmagic Ursa Mini 4.6K )

So hopefully one of the non-Sony 4K recorders will be able to work with this FS5 camera RAW upgrade.

May 19, 2016 at 5:50PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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Thanks for all the help! I have been leaning away from the Xeen lenses. I havent seen a huge difference in the image quality from the Rokinon Lenses but the price difference is huge.

We already have been having issues with the ML on the Mark iii - incredible image quality but its just not reliable enough for a feature. Can´t ever seem to nail the exposure on it...

I think we are going to go the FS5 route and buy the EF Rokinon Lenses and a metabones speed booster. Raw would be great, but for our budget we are going to have to stick w the 10 bit 422, which I think i´m okay with. We could still shoot with the Mark iii as a secondary camera as well.

Brian Jackson

May 23, 2016 at 11:11AM

I think the best option is definitely the Ursa mini, the quality is so good compare to anything else, if you can afford it it's a no brainer, also the quality of the 5d will not allow you to the deference with the xeen lenses and rokinon.

May 24, 2016 at 7:46PM, Edited May 24, 7:46PM

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One of the first Sony FS5 RAW samples has shown up on Vimeo. The grading is a bit rough, but I like the overall look of it...

Plug Pond Sunset: A Sony FS5 Raw Test
https://vimeo.com/169471816

June 6, 2016 at 3:55PM, Edited June 6, 3:55PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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