September 26, 2016 at 1:27PM

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Sony FS700/Odyssey 7Q Combo

Hello, would any of you consider investing in this combo if you found it at a very fair price? I know that both items are discontinued, but would it be worth acquiring if the price was right?

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I found this combo on eBay and got both for $5,000. I think it was a really good deal. The main downside is that shooting handheld with both is nearly impossible without someone walking alongside and holding the Odyssey. You might be able to mount it on rails behind the camera, but I haven't tried this yet. Also, if the Odyssey comes with a battery mount for a Sony L series battery, you should know that one battery is not enough. If you want to mount batteries on the back you have to get a Hawkwoods battery plate which uses two L series batteries to power the Odyssey.

September 28, 2016 at 4:36PM

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Warren Bros.
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Thanks for your input. Are you still currently using this setup? That is interesting learning about the handheld situation. Do you recommend using Sony L series batteries to run the odyssey? Somewhat a bummer that a single one won't power it, but not all that surprising.

Isaac Garcia

September 28, 2016 at 5:48PM, Edited September 28, 5:48PM

I am still using this setup. There are probably other ways to power the Odyssey, but I haven't done much research into it. The deal on eBay came with five batteries, so I use the Sony batteries because they were the most convenient. Shooting handheld might be easier if you found a different powering solution that didn't require batteries to be mounted to the back of the Odyssey.

September 28, 2016 at 10:05PM

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Warren Bros.
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That definitely makes sense. For you, do you think this is a setup that you would use for years to come? Or, are you considering upgrading in the near future?

Isaac Garcia

September 29, 2016 at 10:50AM, Edited September 29, 10:50AM

September 29, 2016 at 11:43AM

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Chris Aumen
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Thank you Chris! Do you use this setup as well?

September 29, 2016 at 1:30PM

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Isaac Garcia
Director of Photography
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I sure do! Eric, in the video, is my brother. We've since upgraded the monitor mount to ball clamps and a quick NATO lock to attach the monitor itself. It's a lot faster to set up/alter and very sturdy. This is still using the 7q out to the side like the video.

Chris Aumen

September 29, 2016 at 8:44PM

I'm definitely not planning on upgrading in the future. I bought the package as something that I could use for a long time and continue to upgrade with accessories and lenses. Yes, the camera is somewhat old, but it shoots 4K, and to me that ensures its usefulness for a decent amount of time.

September 29, 2016 at 1:51PM

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Warren Bros.
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Very well Said Warren Bros. I have heard people say that the FS700 gives too much of a video feel. Would you say that's true? Also, when you say upgrade with accessories, what do you have in mind?

September 29, 2016 at 4:15PM

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Isaac Garcia
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I don't think the camera gives a video feel to footage. Shooting in the S-log profile preserves a lot of highlight detail, preventing the blown-up highlights that are common in video. The only downside to this is that the shadows tend to be grainy. I haven't used film before, but I've read that film behaves the same way, where it's better to overexpose the image then to underexpose it. So when shooting S-log, I try to keep the peak of the highlights, excluding any random spikes, at the 85 level on a waveform monitor. You could also shoot in the Cine4 profile, which is very good at handling shadow detail much like the C100, but unfortunately this profile is not available in 4k mode. If I can't avoid grain, I use the noise removal plugin Neat Video to remove it, and it works like a charm.
For accessories, I'm planning to buy some fast Rokinon prime lenses at some point along with a follow focus. Right now I use the zoom lens that came with the camera. Also might try to figure out a different way to mount the Odyssey.

Warren Bros.

September 29, 2016 at 5:51PM

Thank you a lot for your insight. Do you tend to shoot everything in S-log? I would love to shoot in all the modes that it offers and compare them side by side if possible. Can you shoot Cine4 in 2K? Where would you get the noise removal plug in? Also, I really enjoyed your reel. Did you shoot it on the FS700 and Odyssey combo?

September 29, 2016 at 6:39PM

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Isaac Garcia
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I usually shoot everything in S-log, although I've used Cine4 before in low light situations. For some reason the Odyssey only lets you record in S-log or Rec 709 profiles in 4K mode. The pro res recording formats that are available on the Odyssey are taken from the 4K Raw source, so 2K and HD also only let you record in S-log and Rec 709. The exception is if you use the Odyssey in HD to HD pro res mode, or if you record HD internally to the camera. One other thing I should mention is that you should find out if the Odyssey has a slow motion license from Convergent Design before you buy it, otherwise you will have to purchase that upgrade separately.
The plugin can be found here: https://www.neatvideo.com
Thanks for the compliment! All the slow motion and slow shutter speed shots, along with a few others, were done with the FS700 and Odyssey, but a lot were also done with a C100 and even a Canon T4i.

September 29, 2016 at 8:29PM

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Warren Bros.
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Wow, thanks for all of your insight. I will have a lot of playing to do. What's your post workflow like? The file sizes I am used to are much smaller and require hardly any space. That is my main concern as well as learning the ins and outs.

Isaac Garcia

October 3, 2016 at 11:48AM

I used the combo for a long time... i shot this doc ( https://youtu.be/WvTHst-NOhc ) entirely on that set-up, and i loved and still think it's one of the best looking set-ups i've ever had. i really liked it but switched to the GH4 because i felt like it was difficult to lug everything everywhere and i was missing shots because it was just too much junk mounted. i had the odyssey and a zacuto viewer so i could see in bright sun. shooting now with 4/3 cameras i love how fast and nimble i am. i miss the part of looking at the robust footage on my computer but honestly once it's all said and done and on youtube and probably half the time viewed on an iPhone it really doesn't matter too much i feel.

October 1, 2016 at 12:15PM

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John Burkett
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Awesome, I will check out the doc! I can understand being nimble, that is definitely how I started and I still want to be as versatile as possible. I believe that you are right as far as what it winds up looking like, as long as you produce an image that holds up I feel it is all good. Did you have a stream lined workflow for post production?

Isaac Garcia

October 3, 2016 at 11:50AM

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