September 7, 2014 at 11:28AM

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Will we ever be able to see who is rating comments?

Is this a coming soon feature? I would like to know who is giving the thumbs up thumbs down.

Also, and I could be wrong about this, but it seems like the way this system works if one person gives a comment an up and another person gives the same comment a down it will balance out at 0. This doesn't seem nearly as informative as a separate counter for ups and downs.

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Btw, this isn't a complaint. I love the new nofilmschool. I just think those features would be a great addition.

September 7, 2014 at 12:01PM

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Jonesy Jones
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khan saab

January 30, 2018 at 7:10AM

I think leaving it anonymous is probably better. Just for the fact that if you saw someone specifically disliking your comment, it might cause unwanted hostility in the community. That's a very exaggerated possibility. My point is that leaving it anonymous makes people vote with ease rather than worrying about upsetting someone.

September 7, 2014 at 3:49PM, Edited September 7, 3:49PM

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Alex Smith
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But then revealing that info makes it so that folks will need to think about their actions. You mentioned a community. Things are open in a community, not hidden. Just my $.02.

Jonesy Jones

September 7, 2014 at 10:30PM

It is kinda cool to see if a person who you respect gives you a thumbs up. I like that when it happens on Facebook and I get a like from them for a comment.

However... if you can see who gave you a down vote that could end up creating a hostile environment as another person mentioned, though there is already a strong disincentive to giving a downvote because you will loose some points for doing so.

I think either leave it as it is now with it being anonymous, *or* only make the up votes be public (as it is nice to see when a person you respect backs what you said, and same when you're reading comments. If somebody you follow upvoted a comment you'll probably trust that comment more) with down votes remaining anonymous (so that people don't start getting bitter over who gave them a downvote).

September 8, 2014 at 8:00AM

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David Peterson
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“*or* only make the up votes be public”

This is the way Disqus works. Seems to be a good win-win solution.

Ryan Toyota

September 10, 2014 at 12:58PM

Just food for thought but would it not just be better to have up voting only. I see some crazy things getting down voted (like general comments) and see this as a way for the trolls to still do a bit of damage without accountability. Surely the system still works exactly the same in that more up votes makes something more popular on the boards and if you don't like something you just don't up vote it and it remains lower on the polls without having a member feel "shamed" for something trivial?

September 8, 2014 at 8:34PM

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I second this. I think the new site overall does an amazing job of defeating some of the negativity, conflict and trolling that would seep into comment threads on the old site and encourages people to carefully consider what they post, but having down votes can only make people reluctant to contribute for fear of losing credibility for no reason.

I can see the logic behind it in principal (as a way of discouraging nasty comments and the like) but a lot of down votes are being targeted at people commenting against the grain to admit they liked some certain content when others don't. Same already goes for snobbery about what films should/shouldn't be appreciated by people commenting.

By eliminating down votes, you still leave a system that will give anyone reading comments/threads a clearer picture of who posts constructive, positive and mature stuff and reflect well on respected contributors. I think that the 'full names' system already does enough to discourage aimless negativity or trolling without the need to be counting how many people disapprove.

Alex J. Withers

September 9, 2014 at 10:45AM

Hey guys,

Very interesting discussion! At present we don't have concrete plans to reveal who voted for what. There is sanctimony to the voting booth after all. But, that said, the boards here are only a few days old. Long-term we're interested in doing what's best for the community, and anything's possible.

We do make it so voting something up gets you two points, and you lose a point for voting something down -- so if we do a better job of assigning real value to points in the future (permissions, roles, perhaps giveaways, etc.) then that is a way of encouraging upvoting over downvoting. That said, downvoting is an incredibly important part of community moderation. Hiding low-rated comments based on a lot of downvotes, while not an infallible approach, is a proven system for communities self-policing.

Right now I'm just overjoyed to see you all discussing what's best for the community, already -- we are a newborn baby and it's great to already have such a large family!

/cheese

September 8, 2014 at 10:54PM

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Ryan Koo
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Ryan, I realize my preference for seeing who does what will probably not win out. That's fine. But would it be possible to at least separate the "ups" from the "downs"? At this point a discussion or reply could have 20 ups and 20 downs and show as a 0, and to the passerby it would seem like any conversation, though nothing could be further from the truth.

Jonesy Jones

September 9, 2014 at 2:22AM

…and Jonesy Jones’ reply made me realize there’s no like or upvoting option for replies to replies within questions. I would have upvoted his reply if I had the chance as I agree with his viewpoint. :)

Ryan Toyota

September 10, 2014 at 1:02PM

Yup.

Jonesy Jones

September 11, 2014 at 5:45PM

Actually, I just noticed that I don't have the ability to rate replies on this thread, but do on others. Is that a difference between the "question" and the "discussion" boards?

Jonesy Jones

September 12, 2014 at 5:02PM

The important thing to remember is that the comment voting system is to raise worthwhile comments in a thread to help searching for comments that have real value. No more scrolling and having to read multiple content poor comments. Also, over time, it'll help readers distinguish community members who bring value and knowledge. Personally, this together with real names now being used, is the greatest benefit - I've already Google-stalked a couple of the top commenters to learn more about them and their work :)

The thing to not do is to look at voting systems like this as a validation tool. Regardless of votes, popularity etc. it's a good thing to always think about what one is posting and to make a self-assessment as to its value to others.

Thanks again Ryan for doing such a great job with the relaunch. The few bugs I encountered in the first few days have already disappeared! :)

September 10, 2014 at 3:43PM

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Neil Every
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Good to hear! We are scurrying around behind the scenes plugging as many holes as we can.

Ryan Koo

September 10, 2014 at 5:02PM

Well, I do feel dismayed when comments that I self-assess as worth making are heavily downvoted; it does feel like someone's slapped me for saying something dumb, and does make me want to refrain from commenting. After all, I don't privilege my own opinion: I'm open to being told that what I thought was valuable actually isn't; and the votes of others are some sort of indication that self-assessments are wrong.

I'm conscious that maybe downvotes are just malice, but maybe they're also a fair indication of how worthwhile a comment is. How is it possible to tell?

Adrian Tan

November 27, 2014 at 6:36PM

A feature on the Adobe forums is the ability for the original poster to select a comment as the one that answered his/her question. Then that comment is moved up to the bottom of the original post. This would work for questions but may not work as well for general discussions.

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