April 29, 2015 at 6:38AM, Edited April 29, 6:39AM

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Glidecam HD-2000 or DJI Ronin M?

Hey guys.

I don't know which one should I get/buy. I already own the HD-2000, but the DJI Ronin M looks very cool and it would be very easy to achive beautiful shots. Also, you haven't to calibrate each time you choose a lense or the camera. So which one should I buy, which one do you prefer?

http://www.dji.com/product/ronin-m
http://glidecam.com/product-hd-series

I want to use it with my (hopefully) Canon EOS 5D IV, when it comes out. Else for another DSLR or FF.

Thank you for all your answers! ::)

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A gimbal seems more attractive to me. Being able to shoot inverted with the camera at eye-level, being able to attach the gimbal to a jib for even higher shots, being able to mount the gimbal on a RC car platform, being able easily run or jump with the gimbal, etc...

DJI - Behind-the-scenes of "Lifted" Shot on DJI Ronin-M
https://vimeo.com/125702593

DJI - Lifted: A Short Film Shot on the Ronin-M
https://vimeo.com/125702565

I also like the shorter learning curve required to shoot with a gimbal.

April 29, 2015 at 10:24AM

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Guy McLoughlin
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Hey Guy -- I left this comment on your Nebula 4000 post, but since it's older, didn't know if you saw it...but posting this here.

I'm saving to get a gimbal system, and this has been on my radar. One thing I'm concerned about, is later on down the road, mounting a monitor, or potentially pulling focus -- how would this be done on the Nebula? I like that it's hand held, and cheaper than a bigger gimbal, but I don't know if I would be better off saving for a bigger gimbal system.
I'm also a novice, so I don't intend to get one right away -- really just working on shooting, and gaining an eye for shots -- but for the future, I was wondering what your thoughts were on the use of the Nebula versus a large gimbal.
Thanks!

Bradford Paik

April 29, 2015 at 2:37PM

>>>One thing I'm concerned about, is later on down the road, mounting a monitor, or potentially pulling focus -- how would this be done on the Nebula?

Way back in December the website NewsShooter.com did a review of the Atomos Shogun 4K recorder/monitor, and in this review there is a photo of Jason Wingrove filming with the Nebula 4000 mounted upside down and attached to a cross-bar with handles on each end. Here's a link to the photo...

http://www.newsshooter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/photo-21-600x600.jpg

And here's a link to the whole article...

http://www.newsshooter.com/2014/12/31/atomos-shogun-4k-recorder-review-t...

As far as pulling-focus goes, I think the only way to do this is with a camera that allows you to adjust focus via a WiFi or Bluetooth connection. ( the Panasonic GH4 can do this, and I am sure there must be other cameras that enable this too )

The Aputure DEC wireless focus control for Canon EF lenses is another option, but I think it may be too heavy for the Nebula 4000 gimbal, so you would likely have to go with a larger gimbal like the new Ronin-M gimbal.

Aputure DEC Canon EF Lens Adapter Adjust Iris + Wireless Follow Focus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34eswwhbSFg

April 29, 2015 at 3:31PM

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Guy McLoughlin
Video Producer
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Thanks, that's really helpful -- I like the $700 price point a lot, and its portability. That's why I'm very much considering it...it probably will be what I end up going with.

Bradford Paik

April 29, 2015 at 4:09PM

Look at the MOZA Light. Really good gimbal starting at 900 $ :)

richiexdee

May 9, 2015 at 5:19AM, Edited May 9, 5:19AM

It might be an unorthodox thing to say, but I love the glidecam: it gives a range of looks from dreamy/wavy to true handheld depending on the touch of my left hand fingers, and an in general, I like the connection with the camera, that feels like an extension of my body: like handheld, but smoother when necessary.

https://vimeo.com/122160970

I don't claim to be the world's best operator, but I do like the range of looks it gives me. Having said that, I also like the electronic gimbal. I would rent it for certain projects, but it is a completely different look. Much colder (some would say less organic), and it is almost like a crane, and therefore it seems very unforgiving, it needs crane-like precision in movement. I don't own one, I tried a small one once (like the nebula), the connection to the camera feels less direct to me. If I had the budget, I would have both :)

My main problem is that my wrist gets tired after two hours. I am considering a vest: anybody care to chime in on what vest to get that would work with both glidecam/gimbal? Chinese knock offs, glidecam, Merlin or steadicam? Would all of them work, or the premium ones are worth the price? (don't mean to hijack, but I think this is an extension of the original question)

April 30, 2015 at 1:39PM, Edited April 30, 1:42PM

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Almosh Taltosh
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So when you could... you would buy both/use both? They both have the advantages. Do you heard about the MOZA? Really cool Gimbal. At the same price how the Ronin M you get a Display and Wifi transmitter + Waterproof case.

Would a HD-2000 and the MOZA Light be a good Set?

richiexdee

May 9, 2015 at 5:12AM

I own a Ronin and it was GREAT on a film we did in New York. However, I've traveled (airplane, cross country) several times with it now, and it's not doing well, anymore. I don't think the Ronin is nearly as 'bulletproof' as a Steadicam, and its failures in the field after a flight have somewhat made me hate anything that has such delicate engineering. Other people, traveling directors and dps, have noted the same issues with their Ronins. That said, if you're not able or willing to put in the practice to use a Steadicam-type system, the Ronin- if it is really babied- gives you shots you otherwise would have to lay track for, and more.

May 1, 2015 at 9:38PM, Edited May 1, 9:38PM

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Patrick Ortman
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So a glidecam is better, when you fly an move a lot?

richiexdee

May 9, 2015 at 5:18AM

Four words: "light weight + Auto Calibrate".

May 2, 2015 at 11:59AM

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Do you work with an gimbal?

richiexdee

May 9, 2015 at 5:16AM

Everyone is using steadicam these days, it is starting to look cliche almost. Why don't you shoot handheld? It's not as common these days as it was a couple of years ago, and it's damn cooler.

May 9, 2015 at 9:39AM

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Why is it cooler? But yes... you're right haha

richiexdee

May 9, 2015 at 11:35AM

I haven't read the other comments, but all that I can say it really depends on the, lets say, style of movement you like, actually more on the emotion of the story, but that is more complicated.
For example, the steadicam will have more of a floaty feel, while the gimbal will feel much more precise and "robotic"

May 9, 2015 at 1:25PM

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Dominik Belancic
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