The Latest on the Chinese KineRAW Digital Cinema Camera
The KineRAW is a Chinese digital cinema camera that I called (perhaps too harshly) a “knockoff” of the ARRI ALEXA and RED cameras. This is a guest post by Wentao Marvin.
As China is celebrating the Lunar New Year (the Year of Dragon), Kinefinity KineRAW development has entered the final stage of internal user testing, and public testing is scheduled to roll out in February. This update focuses on the S35 (Super35-sized sensor) and S8 (Super8mm-sized sensor) model as they are being developed back-to-back.
Here are some images showing the S35 camera body design:


A few key specifications of the S35 model:
- Super 35mm sized CMOS sensor
- Dual raw recording, uncompressed 12bit linear cinemaDNG (800Mbps) or 10bit log90 GoPro Cineform RAW (100Mbps), uses regular 2.5 inch SSD or HDD (shoot and dump)
- DCI 2K 1-24fps, 1080p 1-30fps, 720p 1-60fps. (Not yet finalised)
- Interchangeable lens mount, supports PL (standard), Canon EF, Nikon F, OCT-19
- PL mount version 280mm*135mm*155mm, approx. 4kg.
I’ve been told that the dynamic range of the sensor is likely to achieve or exceed 13 stops. However the S35 model is still being fine-tuned, the actual footage is estimated to be released in mid Februrary. Here is the latest information on the camera, in the form of Q&A:
FAQ
- Q: Why there are HDMI and VF sockets on the front of the camera? A: They are intended for compact monitors or EVF, two SDI output on the back are for reference monitors.
- Q: What is the function of that antenna? A: It will be used for remote control (eg. smart phones or tablets), also a wireless monitoring feature is being considered.
- Q: How many recording buttons are there on the body? A: One on the left, one on the back, one remote trigger socket on the front.
- Q: What power supply can I use? A: the S35 model uses 4 pin XLR, supports standard 14v battery, a 140Wh battery can last approximately 4 hours.
- Q: How many accessory mounting options are there on the body? A: There are two 1/4-20 mounting screws on the left and right side respectively, one 3/8-16 screw and 3 rows of four 1/4-20 screws on the top.
- Q: It was mentioned that the S35 model will have an EF mount version, is the aperture electronically controlled? A: Currently the sample unit cannot electronically control the aperture of EF lenses, however it’s still being developed and might be able to do that upon release.
- Q: Does this camera have Genlock? A: It doesn’t have Genlock but it will feature a special interface for 3D or multicam sync.
- Q: How much is the S35 model? A: Approximately $8000 USD body only.
The S8 model shares most of the key features of the S35 model, two test video and some uncompressed frames can be viewed below, please note that these footage do not represent the actual quality of the S8 model since it’s still a sample unit. You can download high quality .avi files of each test here and here.
Sample uncompressed 1080p frame grabs(processed from 2.5k cinemaDNG) can be found here: 1, 2, 3, 4.
I will provide Koo with more footage as soon as more is available, please stay tuned!
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I have posted two new KineRAW-S8p ™ videos on Vimeo, if you would like to see the image quality I have some selected frames I can send, you can email me at tempnulbox [at] yahoo [dot] com with “nofilmschool user wants frames” in the subject line.
The E1 video is shot 1920×1440 for 4:3 black and white cinematography and processed for maximum monochrome dynamic range, you should request the sample frames to see what the uncompressed detail looks like.
The F1 video is shot at various over-sample modes for 4:3, 16:9, 2:1, and 2.35:1 aspect ratios. The shooting resolutions are 1920×1440, 2228×1252, 2400×1200 and 2592×1104.
The videos were de-Bayered in my free de-Bayer program v0.06 and v0.07 (v0.07 is not posted on my web site yet as I have some things to finish up yet) and the DI was done in my “freeish” DI software.
I have a KineRAW-S35 ™ here for testing and calibration now and hope to post some videos shot with it if anyone has in interest in S35 sensor cameras. You can request some Cineform ™ sample clips from Kinefinity.com (sm) by writing directly to the email on their web site, be sure to also request the 3D-LUT that go with each clip so you can see the clips playback in Quicktime ™ or other programs with the color corrected.
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Kinefinity ™ has posted some more Cineform ™ clips on their web site for people to download.
For some reason when I try to post those links here the comment does not show up, but you can find the links on DVXuser or you can email me or them and get the links that way. Be sure to also download the Cineform ™ codec and the 3D-LUT that go with those clips for color correction when you play them in Quicktime ™.
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Well that post worked, I’ll try line link at a time,
http://download.kinefinity.com/download/PRJ-0001-011-A1.mov
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OK, more than one did not work, so here is another one,
http://download.kinefinity.com/download/ALVIN-0001-099-A1.mov
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Seventh CIneform ™ clip shot in the KineRAW-S35 ™ sample camera,
http://download.kinefinity.com/download/PARK-0001-071-A1.mov
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If you email me I can send you some sample frames and the other links.
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Here is the link to the other 3D-LUT,
http://download.kinefinity.com/download/XD48K04M.look
The 3D-LUT are mated to the ISO and K value used when shooting so need to be installed for the clips above to play with the right “one light” color correction, the look group used is intended for having the shots graded, so graded results would look better. Various monitoring LUT can be loaded into the camera and selected with the encoder knob from a quick button menu labeled “look”, and depending on which “look” is selected the camera makes a corresponding 3D-LUT in each shot folder, in this case the same “look” was used for all my test shots so far, that are linked to above for those MOV files.
You will also need to drag and drop the 3D-LUTs onto the Cineform ™ LUT tool in the Cineform ™ program folder.
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Here is the link to the Cineform ™ coded for MAC and PC,
http://cineform.com/gopro-cineform-decoder
Quote: [Cineform Firstlight/Davinci Resolve/Speedgrade/Scratch could be used
for grading/rendering. May use the Cineform decoder
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My email is tempnulbox [at] yahoo [dot] com and put “nofilmschool reader wants samples or links” in the email subject line, you can also email Kinefinity.com ™ directly to get samples and links from them.
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Get your priceline worked out…
Just got word about the booth number where history will be made:
BIRTV2012, Aug 22nd~25th, KineRAW-S35 ™ is at booth number is 2B222
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Kinefinity.com (sm) have booth 2B222 at BIRTV 2012,
http://www.birtv.com/en/Eindex.aspx/
Quote: [The Must-Attend Industry Exhibition in Asia
BIRTV is China's most prestigious exhibition in the industry of radio,film and TV and a key part of China International Radio Film & Television Exposition.It is also the only one of such exhibitions which gains support from China government and is listed number one among the supported exhibitions in China's 12th Five Year's Developing Plan of Culture.]
They are also revising their web site now, the new web site will have sample images and footage you can download for compatibility testing with your own work-flow.
Here is a map showing the booth location,
http://www.birtv.com/upfiles/201208/2B0801.pdf
They will maybe have two KineRAW-S35 ™ bodies there to show and be able to answer questions in person. If you are interested in getting one they will be there to talk about that as well. The price for the body may be about USD $6000, they are still working out the details.
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Got word from Kinefinity.com (sm) that they will be going to NAB 2013 in Las Vegas (in April),
Quote: [Our booth number in this coming NAB is C12813.]
So if you have wanted some ‘hands on’ time with their cameras, this will be the first time they are showing them outside China as far as I know.
I’ve been shooting some additional test footage with both the KineRAW-S35 ™ and the prototype KineRAW-S8p ™ and may post that on my Vimeo page when I get it edited together. They are working on a demo reel for showing at NAB 2013, so if you have any suggestions of shots you would like to see you can email them and ask them to have one of their field testers shoot something like what you would like to see maybe so that when you go to NAB 2013 you can see how it turned out. They said they will have cameras there you can look over, and maybe the KineRAW-S35-mini ™ they are still working on, its a smaller version with the same high quality 100% true RAW DNG recording and S35 sensor with sub-PL mount for using a wide range of movie and still lenses, as I understand it, you can email them for detailed specs if you are interested.
Also the MSRP and shipping should be lower for the KineRAW-S35-mini ™. So jot down booth C12813 if your going to NAB this year and say high, they have been developing these cameras for many years, and the larger KineRAW-S35 ™ has been in field testing in China (in addition to the one I got to do calibrations in the monitoring with). They said they are very busy putting cameras together to ship out, so, so far things seem to be going well for them.
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Sample MOV and Cineform ™ along with matching 3D-LUT are free to download at links in this posting, as are photos of the KineRAW-S35 ™ second prototype in field testing in China now,
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?260134-Chinese-2K-RAW-S35-Cinema-Camera-8000-dollars&p=1986151837#post1986151837
Quote: [There are 720p H.264 mov for downloading:
http://115.com/file/e7jl12ad#final-422hq-QuickTime-H.264.rar
There are some Cineform RAW footages for downloading:
Clip1: http://115.com/file/c2exeutq#clip1.rar
Clip2: http://115.com/file/bemsmxgt#clip2.rar
Clip3: http://115.com/file/dpk7t4vt#clip3.rar
The Cineform (tm) player is here,
http://cineform.com/gopro-cineform-decoder
Quote: [Here are links for Low-Contrast Rec709 LUT.
1. daylight-160.look: http://115.com/file/c2elxws7#daylight-160.look
2. daylight-160.cube: http://115.com/file/dpkn5su4#daylight-160.cube
Speedgrade NX, Firstlight can use .look file, while Da Vinci Resolve uses .cube file. People can use the LUT as monitoring LUT, but also use it as a starting point of grading .]