April 8, 2013

Blackmagic Goes 4K with S35 Global Shutter Sensor for $4K, and a Pocket Cinema Camera for $1K!

We've all been speculating that this year's NAB show would be a major one in terms of new cinema-style cameras at incredibly low price points. After Blackmagic Design shook up the cinema camera world last year, the market seemed destined for another company to swoop in an steal the BMCC's thunder. However, a photo of two brand-spankin' new Blackmagic Cinema Cameras has been leaked, and it's definitely real. It appears that Blackmagic has done it again, and their thunder is locked down in a vault that would leave even Danny Ocean and his team of 13 stumped. Check out the photo below for the limited details that we have at this point.

Jim Geduldick posted this on Twitter:


For those of you having a difficult time reading those fuzzy little letters on the boxes, here's what they say:

Blackmagic Production Camera 4K

Compact 4K camera with large super-35 sensor, global shutter, Ultra HD and 4K support, built-in SSD recorder, touch LCD metadata entry, compressed CinemaDNG RAW and ProRes recording, Thunderbolt and EF lens compatibility, Includes DaVinci Resolve and UltraScopes.

Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera

Ultra-portable super-16 digital cinema camera with super wide 13 stops of dynamic range. Super 16 sized 1080p HD sensor, built in SD card reader, High resolution LCD, ProRes and Lossless CinemaDNG RAW recording, Active Micro Four Thirds lens compatibility, Micro HDMI monitoring with Overlays.

There are some really significant bits in this photo, the largest of which are the full-size sensor and the considerable upgrade in terms of resolution. Plus, a global shutter on a camera in this price-range is absolutely unheard of, the nearest competitor likely being the F55. I'm also highly intrigued by the phrase, "Compressed CinemaDNG RAW" recording. If Blackmagic has managed to considerably shrink the size of their DNG RAW frames, this camera will likely prove a much more affordable option for shooting RAW due to the amount saved on data storage. Overall, this camera looks to be a serious production tool with serious production features.

The Pocket Cinema Camera looks to be another interesting release. At a price that competes with low-end DSLR's, and with cheap SD cards as a recording medium, the camera is well-positioned to be the perfect entry level cinema camera for folks who couldn't quite afford the original BMCC. Not to mention that it has some seriously potential as a crash cam on higher end productions. Lastly, there will be an official announcement tomorrow regarding these cameras (and NFS will have awesome coverage of it, of course), so keep your eyes wide open and your ears peeled, because it's sure to be an exciting day.

To me, it seems pretty clear now that Blackmagic means some serious business when it comes to manufacturing cinema cameras. But what do you guys think? Do these new cameras have you excited? Let us know in the comments.

Link: Blackmagic -- Super 35 4K production and s16 pocket cam -- Jim Geduldick -- Twitter

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This is the one I've been waiting for.

Had a feeling that if I went on the MFT waiting list, something better would be announced before I got one.

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Fresno Bob

They said last fall that creating a S35 would not be ideal because of how much the thing would cost vs. S16, and here we are now with a $1k cost difference...

This has to probably upset quite a few BMCC owners that recently received their 2.5k cameras 5+ months later than they should have.

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Ok, now you've got my attention. The question is... does anyone actually trust them to deliver the goods?

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Good point. I'm not going to commit anything until I know they're readily available and NAB 2014 is not just around the corner...

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128GB SanDisk SDXC card is $140 at BH and max. read/write speed is 45MB/s.

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Was waiting for the camera that would make me sell my 5D mark 3 in the same price range. Found it.

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Hubert

4K for $4K? Game over.

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Indeed

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Except: the sensor is probably the CMV12000, which has very low DR...

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11 stops native and 15 stops of HDR.

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Stive

More like 8 and 13 if it is the CMV12000...
(according to my own measures using that sensor)

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If only it weren't a touch screen again...

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Kenneth Merrill

Haha, as soon as hit submit I realized what a spoiled ass I'm being. This is awesome! If it can ship on time, perform more consistently than the last model, and I can see my aperture from the get-go, then I would be lucky to have this thing.

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Kenneth Merrill

Now how long will it take to get this on the street? The track record for getting the cameras to the film makers has not been great. I don't want to wait on a list forever and then by the time I get the camera they announce the next line of cameras that bursts my excitement of the camera I am already waiting for.

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robert

Some says in the summer

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I'm looking forward to seeing this one at the booth... hopefully they will have a real one out this week - not just a banner.

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Amazing. I wonder where they got the sensor from? Hoping it's the Toshiba one in the Nikon D5200.

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Stu Mannion

Dude, the mini could be a great step up from my GH2. I'd love to just go all out and get the new 4K version, but at my current skill and income level there isn't a point. I'd rather upgrade to the small one and then once I prove I can make money, I'll upgrade. Wow, this is just exciting...

By the way, was that picture taken from a camera phone from the '90s? Like a god damn UFO video!

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Julian

"Whoa," as they say.
Laforet's lauded stabilizer might be a nice evolution of that market, and one destined to be used across many a professional production, but if we're talking about "game changers" here, then nothing compares to this.
Blackmagic has beaten Red to the punch in releasing an almost universally affordable 4K camera. 4K for $4k is now a reality, and any of the manufacturers that recently entered to the cheap 4K camera marketplace must be sweating non-magical bullets.
Sony's newly-revealed line of small 4K cameras now have a direct competitor at a startling price point. Canon's 1DC, previously one of the cheapest 4K cameras out there, is now teetering on the edge of irrelevance for those who don't need stills capability.

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Blah

Will they tell us exactly how many cameras they intend making? Since their last camera is still not readily available...

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M Jackson

If they were available right now, I'd buy one each, but I hate waiting.. so regardless of the release history of BM I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear this.. I can't help but think if they said: why yes they're ready built and tested and we're just building up stocks then that would actually be exciting.. It's like these guys are anti zen, they're always trying to make me liven the future! ;)

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Ross

Okie dokie!
Take my money BM!
THIS is what I have been waiting for.

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Dana

Lets hope that the 4k camera also records 1080p Prores at up to 60fps.

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Stu Mannion

Let's hope even 4k at 60fps ;-)

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mikael_bellina

Also, $1000 for 1080p ProRes and Cinema DNG RAW?
People might not like the S16 sensor size, but there's really nothing even remotely close to those specs otherwise. With good on-board software functionality and lens compatibility, it suddenly becomes a tremendous value.

(... now the only bit that could make this announcement perfect would be that the BMPC actually uses the EF-M mount instead of the regular EF-S one, enabling it to be compatible with many more lenses, etc.)

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Blah

It' a Micro 4/3 mount not an EF ;-)

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Nej

It's a Micro 4/3 Active mount not an EF ;-)

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Nej

As I abbreviated in parenthesis, I was talking about the BMPC or Blackmagic Production Camera, the actual name of Blackmagic's 4K camera, which has an "EF-compatible lens mount." That said, I can see where you might have been confused, since I was talking about the Pocket Camera for the rest of the post before then.

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Blah

Global Shutter, super 35, and black magics legendary dynamic range.

Well, game over. Red and Arri might as well sell off the remainder of their factories for scrap.

Jim Jannard is having some seriously loose bowel movements over this.

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Guy

And you say this based on a banner!? Let's see some real product & footage first.

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exactly

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Gokce

Wow. Thrilling, and so many more questions!

- How much compressed is compressed?
- I guess there is some option for higher fps in the production camera, but will they have managed to cram in 1080p50 / 1080p60 in the pocket cinema camera?
- Considering the tiny form factor on the pocket cinema camera, how long will a battery last...

Nonetheless the Pocket Cinema Camera would be very interesting for me :)

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The super 16 with 13 stops in my pocket is exactly what i have been waiting for to replace my '550D on the go travel shooter.

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David Stewart

Dope! Where do I preorder? Rock on BM.

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Beezly

i wish they can ship these in 5 years...still %90 of bmc orders not completed yet

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kemalettin sert

I wonder if RED has their lawyers on it?

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Brian

Sony announced the other day that they're suing RED for patent infringement (seven patents, irrc). Not sure if it's been covered on this site.

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Daniel

Yes, groundbreaking cameras indeed. Allthought: who made the 4K sensor ?

Allso, considering how much 4K material takes resources, are they really gonna make something worthwhile in that form factor ? There is still a reason why for example Sony F55 has a fan in both camera body and external recorder...

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Juhan-i

I think this a wonderful announcement, however, does anybody know what "compressed CinemaDNG RAW" means? Would that be like Cineform Raw or something? One of the key points I believe....

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I'd look at this for an idea of the "compressed RAW".
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2012/10/dng-1-4-specification-no...

Adobe has a version of DNG called Lossy DNG which seems like it compresses the files by a factor of about 3:1. I'm only assuming that Blackmagic is using this, or something similar.

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Blah

R.I.P. Canon "Cinema EOS". Especially the 1DC. 8bit, psuedo-4K, DSLR dynamic-range, jello-city, $12,000? Hahahaha!

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Voltaire

hey Age of Enlightenment - I totally agree!

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burt

Don't forget the passing of the Sony NEX-FS700.

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Brian

Actually, the Sony F700 is one of the cameras offering several competitive advantages over this camera. I wouldn't count on this new BMC offering much in the way of high frame rates. The Sony F700 still offers the best bang for the buck for slow mo acquisition.

April 8, 2013

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Marc B

But it's made of magnesium alloy and is weather-sealed!

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James

Black Magic Design steps up the dream game but seriously needs to step up the delivery game, cant just live for ever on unicorn tales! Get your game on!! At least 15,000 units can be sold if deliverable.

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Xt

Another great excitement from Black Magic Company, This time i ll be exited when people will get hands on these camera, i am still on a waiting list for the last released camera it was exactly one year ago.

Hope fully they(BM) have learned this from first experience and supply the cameras to the people on time.

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auri

I'm so happy that what I've been hoping for is true! BlackMagic is absolutely the best thing that's happened to cinema in a LONG time. Hopefully their compression is open source too! I'm glad I never supported the companies that hold onto IP and use it to cripple us in post.

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Harry Pray IV

I bought the 5d3 knowing the RAW game was gonna take off like a hoodlum caught in the act. 5D3 holds it's value no problem so when this bad boy is tested and ready I can sell the 5d3, having spent a few hundred dollars in the end and put that cash towards picking one of these suckers up.
This is truly exciting. The bigger sensor is the clincher for me - couldn't handle the crop sensor it has right now. I'm just happy to see BM pushing the envelope. The 1k cam is quite impressive as well. Raw for 1k in such a tiny package. You could have 3 cam setup inconspicuously, and end up with some seriously hot footage with all that RAW info.
Others will have to follow!

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Wow! Game-changer!

Goodbye to my Canon 5D Mark Deux!

Time Get Into the 4K Game

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The Observer

*Time to get in the 4K game

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The Observer

Insane.

Just think what'll come along next year at NAB...

April 8, 2013

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Myles

Best wait til next NAB before purchasing anything, but then it'll only be outdated at the next NAB so I'm going to wait til next NAB NAB.

Or I could go make stuff...

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Chris Lambert

It won't necessarily be outdated - but there will be something new. This has nothing to do with holding back on creative output.

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Myles

Oh yeah absolutely didn't intend it as a dig at yourself. Just the mentality a lot of people have that as soon as we enter May it's "I'm waiting till NAB" mentality

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Chris Lambert

Whoa! Global shutter S35 4k....

"Ultra HD and 4K support".... Does that mean the 4k will be recorded externally? If so... I'm not quite as excited. If it is internal... Then my recent second hand scarlet purchase isn't looking as awesome value. Global shutter would be sensational.

April 8, 2013

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I'ts April 1st today?
Do they learned about their faults of the first camera?
Will these have a format and delete function? :D
Will these can record without dropping frames?
And I guess getting rid of moire would be too much for this money...

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LA

And answer from Red: they bought the Tessive Time Filter tech to "simulate" global shutter... Last price from Tessive 1950, - dollars for kit.

Price with Red label on it 4500,- dollars...

Shame that it still inferior to real global shutter (like in Sony F55 or new BM camera), you lose at least two stops. Not really usefull with old Epics or Scarlets.

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Juhan-i

Amazing I want both! This will be the 'game changer' from NAB 2013 forget what Vincent said about MoVI. I wonder if it is the sCMOS sensor from BAE systems. 100fps@2.5k, global shutter and 13 stops. Also wonder if the size of the production camera will increase over the current model. Blackmagic take my money!!

April 8, 2013

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My question is:
This camera will sell this year or in 2015 nab?

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Leo

Hopefully it will be in time for the Olympics in Rio

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Marvin

Exactly. If you order now, when will you get it?

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Dragon's out and Red now has global shutter. This is nice for people on a budget. But at only 13 stops... its tough to take seriously these days.

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MD

Electrically controlled semi-transparent LCD-panel in front of sensor IS NOT a true "global shutter". It is Red hype once again.

Bit like Dragon DR, that was first 18 stops. Then it was 20 stops.

Now when the Dragon cmos is finally shipping, it is "Epic MX DR + 3 stops".

Which in real life means about 15 stops. Very good, but nothing like "18-20 stops".

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Juhan-i

You're claiming Epic MX DR is 12 stops? What?

Whatever; I've gotten so used to the DR on the Alexa and Epic that I don't even think about it when doing stupid shit like shooting actors in shadow with intense sunlight in the exact wrong direction. I wouldn't be able to work with a camera limited to 13 stops.

And if you've ever used a tessive, while it isn't perfect, it does get rid of a lot of the downsides, and electronically variable ND has a huge number of applications.

My money's already in line for a Dragon.

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MD

The Epic is 13 stops. What are you on?

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More like 13.5, and Dragon's now well over 15 and should give Alexa a run on image quality at half the price.

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MD

W'ere talking about the difference between 4 grand and 40 grand... how can you possibly be comparing?

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alex

Seriously? 13 stops at this price point is great. The new $150k Phantom Flex "only" has 11.

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Maybe for big time film makers its tough to take seriously, but for me, it's like a step up into the bigger game. So for you red and high-end Sony users, good for you that you can afford that stuff. Not a dig at anyone by any means. But let us little guys have our moment in the sun if you will please?

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Chris

I am as exited about the pocket S16 than to the S35 camera.

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Tulio

Me too.

April 8, 2013

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Wow, how pissed is anyone who just threw down money on bmcc...

April 8, 2013

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Not at all. My guess is demand for the BM ProdCam will be immense. I'll shoot with my original BMCC until the ProdCam becomes available. Anyway, technology moves fast (for all companies except Canon, Panasonic et al). We have to get used to it. Buyers of the original BMCC should not be expecting Blackmagic to hold back with new products.

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TiCa

good point

April 8, 2013

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Very true! I was going to buy the BMC last year but then I decided to wait, I thing the wait was worthy, hope there wont be any dalay

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jason

Also, it looks like the two cameras have different strengths. Production Camera: resolution and global shutter. Original Cinema Camera: dynamic range.

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TiCa

They shouldn't be upset really. This is a different camera for people with different needs. If they bought for what they needed, they should be ok. If they bought because their eyes got big and had a sudden urge to empty their wallets, that's their fault. Early adopter syndrome strikes again

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Chris

Good morning! Wow, woke up to this news (highly impressed) also got a text from my buddy saying convergent designs odyssey monitor/recorder has 2k (continuous 2k recording at 240 fps) and 4k support for the fs700. I'm excited and would like to say thanks for the great coverage this year guys. :)

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Anthony Marino

Jaw hits floor wallet opens to no money for new equipment. Looks like I got some work to do to save up luckily I know black magic will give me enough time to save up. Hopefully we can get an external battery with this camera!

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Caleb

battery really is a non issue my first camera the EX3's batteries were £100+ per battery which would get you 4hr's.

This camera has devices already that can take Sony's more commonly available and considerably cheaper batteries meaning for £200 could probably get a ridiculous level of running time.

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Chris Lambert

no word on the DR of the 4K one though, which is suspicious since global shutter reduced DR.

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brett

Sounds good but you wont see these until 2014. They already have a camera they cant deliver on time, adding 2 more to that line is not just too realistic...

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Gokce

Rumors saying that Blackmagic learned from their production and shipping mistakes with the BMCC and camera will start shipping this summer. Let's hope thats true.

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David

CinemaDNG already has the option of lossless (roughly 2:1 to 2.5:1) -- just nobody has bothered to implement it until now. It's a shame they didn't go with CineForm RAW, as it has more compression options: uncompressed (essentially CinemDNG), lossless, and lossy.

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Tzedekh

Maybe they couldn't go with Cineform. Cineform has a license from RED for the compression scheme which is based on wavelet. I don't think that RED would have liked it.

Compared to the Kinefinty it may sell way more so maybe they weren't allowed to get Cineform

And anyway, Cineform means getting a license and that means, more expensive Cameras...

Personally my very happy that they went with the Cinema DNG compressed, that's going to be fine. File size should be halved, that's great!

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Nej

I believe CineForm RAW predates Redcode (which Red has acknowledged in its patent filings), and it's freely licenseable from GoPro. David Newman has stated that the CF license would be cheap, and,given the volume of units that BM would be dealing in (if they could ramp up their camera manufacturing), I believe it would be a nominal additional fee.

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Tzedekh

4K for $4K... s35 and global shutter? uhm cough... cough... drool... ehm... Please do elaborate... :D

Oh, and DaVinci is still included for the 4K cam? And a s16 raw 1080p for 1K? Even cutting in on the Bolex market?

If they continue like this (and get us some fixes to firmware), they could get a rather large part of both the Nikon and Canon HDSLR-market (the stills-crowd though wouldn't likely notice it)

Any word on sensor-aspect ratio? is it 16:9 or maybe even a whoopin' 4:3 or 3:2 enabling true 2:1 anamorphics? One can only dream...

I would say "Shut up and take my money!" but that money is non-existant right now, no fault of BMCC of course

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"I would say 'Shut up and take my money!' but that money is non-existant right now, no fault of BMCC of course"

So's the camera, at least for purchase. It's $4K -- between now and it release, you probably will be able to save up enough cash.

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Tzedekh

. . . "its release" . . .

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Tzedekh

Someone posted a link earlier in this thread about the new cinemaDNG 1.4 details. One of the interesting aspects was it seemed to infer that cinema DNG actually always records the full size of the sensor and then crops it down to 16:9 but the new version would have the option of restoring the 4:3 aspect ratio. That was my understanding anyway I might have just read it wrong. Have a look yourself there's a link in one of the earlier comments.

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Neill

Actually looking again I think I might have got it wrong, I think it's referring to stills only.

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Neill

This is amazing. ONE problem that many people aren't talking about:

What the hell are we going to call these things? Blackmagic need to give them some real names haha, even just some numbers or something!

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alex

this camera and my arri super 16mm and I'm set till next year's NAB.

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DIO

I always said it might need a product like this to make me interested. Nice efforts by Canon, KineRAW and Digital Bolex, but it's only now that i can say: "I'm interested." 4K (luxury), Super35 (very reasonable), Global shutter (obligatory!!!) and CinemaDNG RAW (ok not real RAW, which would be occasionally interesting, but even professional TV programs don't record RAW most of the time) and all that for about 3000 €. Hello, Beauty!

Greets,
Matt

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MattN.

Not real RAW? what do you mean?

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Nej

Cinema DNG is real RAW. It's uncompressed. It's the realest RAW there is. RED RAW is compressed RAW, arguably less raw. I've now said the word RAW so many times that it sounds strange.

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alex

"Less RAW" doesn't mean a thing...

A Compressed RAW is still RAW. A RAW file is just an non-debayered image, Redcode and DNG Compressed are non-debayered so they're RAW.

RAW has nothing to do with compression or lack of.

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Nej

Whopps! I got a sh**load of things messed up in my previous post. ProRes was the target, but my bullet hit CinemaDNG. Sorry for that one. Of course you guys are right! All my remarks were actually referring to ProRes instead of uncompressed formats. The Alexa, for example, does record compressed ProRes and it's used instead of RAW formats in a lot of TV productions, at least here in Germany, because of the wide use of Final Cut. On second thought, it also would have been a big surprise if Black Magic would deliver less image quality in what in all other regards is a clear upgrade to the 2.5K BMCC. Sorry, guys!

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MattN.

Industry destroyed (in a good way :)).... wow

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