May 12, 2013

1080P RAW Video Now Possible on Canon 5D Mark III & Real Anamorphic Shooting with the New Hack

Canon 5D Mark III BackNot only do we have news that RAW video at 24fps is possible on the Canon 5D Mark III, but we now know it's possible to get a full 1920 x 1080 image with 1000x speed cards. The first samples were possible by cropping the image to 1920 x 820, but g3gg0 from Magic Lantern has unlocked a way to get the entire image -- the full 1920 x 1080. This makes the Mark III the first full-frame (36mm x 24mm) camera to shoot RAW video at 1080p. Also, now that we're capable of getting really high-quality custom resolutions, a whole new world has potentially opened up for anamorphic shooting with the camera.

Here is a1ex in the Magic Lantern forum:

Heh, people got excited without even knowing the big news: g3gg0 just discovered how to use the DMA cropping routines, which just made possible RAW video recording at 1920x1080 at 24fps on 1000x cards.

Technical: we now know how to copy a cropped version of some image buffer at very high speeds (over 700MB/s), and with this trick we can save the video data the card at full speed, without being slowed down by image borders, for example.

1920x1080 RAW video now requires 83MB/s at 24fps, so it should work just fine on 1000x cards. I didn't try it.

So, I've lost my patience and rewritten the lv_rec module from scratch, to use these new routines and to experiment with different buffering algorithms. The new module is called raw_rec and outputs the same file format (RAW files).

Main changes:

- The ring buffer only uses 32MB memory blocks (maximum we can get). Reason: card benchmarks showed higher data rates for large buffers.
- Frame copying is done outside the LiveView task (not sure if it has any effect).
- When the buffer gets full, it skips some frames, rather than stopping.
- Fewer hardcoded things: should be easier to port.
- Resolution presets, from 640x320 to 3592x1320.

Just like lv_rec, this is in very early stages, so you have to compile it yourself.

Source code: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/commits/54537cb85d7d

If you try it, I'd like you to look for any signs of image tearing. The source raw data is single-buffered, but it's possible to make it double-buffered if the vertical sync is less than ideal.

All credits go to g3gg0 - without his reverse engineering work on understanding the image processor, this would have been impossible.

This is absolutely huge, and almost equally as exciting as the original announcement, because it means you'll be able to use the entire image to shoot. While I'm sure most would have made do with cropping to a wider aspect ratio than 16:9, it's pretty clear we're going to have the ability to get full use of our lenses on the Mark III. As far as slow motion, lourenco, who has been shooting with Lexar 32GB 1000x CF cards, mentioned this on YouTube:

The memory card is not fast enough for [50/60 fps]. Raw mode 1280x672 at 48P is possible.

Other cameras are being tested, and it looks like the 5D Mark II may actually get full 24fps with a crop, but like with any of the other cameras, we will have to wait and see. The team over at Magic Lantern has done a tremendous job, and we should applaud them for doing the impossible.

It should be noted that there is no audio at the moment when shooting RAW, which basically makes the Mark III work like a real film camera in terms of syncing audio (you'll need a slate). We don't know yet if they will be able to figure out a way to get audio with the DNGs, but as we've seen, it seems like anything is possible.

Real Anamorphic Shooting on the 5D Mark III

With the ability to define custom resolutions in RAW mode on the Mark III, this has opened up some interesting possibilities for anamorphic shooting. Later in the post, a1ex answered a question regarding custom resolutions:

you guys can define a partial crop of the sensor and save it RAW? This could be perfect for anamorphic shooters, just using a square portion in the middle. Possible?

Yes, you can select any combination from here:

Code: [Select]

static int resolution_presets_x[] = {  640,  720,  960,  1280,  1320,  1920,  2048,  2560,  2880,  3592 };
static int resolution_presets_y[] = {  320,  360,  480,  540,  720,  840,  960,  1080,  1152,  1280,  1320 };

or add your own custom resolutions (just put the numbers there).

The high resolutions only work in 5x zoom mode, where you get 1:1 crop from the sensor.

Right now, ML will do a center crop, but I'd like to try to implement a smooth digital panning (sort of a software dolly). Shifting the crop window by 8 pixels at every frame should be easy, and that would result in a 8-second horizontal panning of the 1920x1080 window from sensor center to the edge: (3592-1920) / 8 / 24fps = 8.7 seconds.

So what does this really mean? 1.33x anamorphic adapters like the Panasonic LA7200 basically get you to the correct 2.39 aspect ratio with a 16:9 sensor. Here is an example with the Mark III as-is without any hacks:

http://vimeo.com/52401060

Issues with using anamorphic adapters in front of lenses aside, this does get you a great looking image, but it's not quite as dramatic as using a 2X anamorphic lens or adapter. Here is a sample shot on the RED ONE in 4K with 2X anamorphic lenses:

http://vimeo.com/43136662

Now, since many anamorphic lenses were designed for about a 1.20:1 aspect ratio, both the Arri Alexa and the RED ONE/EPIC crop into their images to get close to that aspect ratio using 2X anamorphics. Alexa gives you a 1.195:1 ratio (even with its 1.33:1 4:3 sensor), and the RED ONE MX at 4K does 2816 x 2304 giving 1.22:1, and the EPIC at 5K gives 3296 x 2700 -- also a 1.22:1. Anamorphic lenses are far from consistent in their squeeze, but basically if you want to shoot 2X anamorphic on a Mark III the way it is now, it will look something like this, which is obnoxiously wide for my taste, and is not a normal cinema or TV aspect ratio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNoKguSdy4Y

If you want anything resembling a normal looking image, you'll have to crop significantly into your video to get a 2.39/2.4 aspect ratio. It's not clear which resolutions give only a 1:1 crop, but for the sake of the post, we'll stick with 1920 x 1080.

If we did a custom sensor crop of 1296 x 1080, that would give us a 1.20:1 aspect ratio, and we'd simply do a desqueeze to get footage that's the correct aspect ratio, and we're now using as much of the lens and the sensor as possible right from the start. Some anamorphic adapters may have actually been made for a 4:3 image, but it's not a huge difference between 1.2 and 1.33. We also will be able to work with funky anamorphic adapters like 1.5x or 1.6x, and get custom crops of the sensor that give exactly the aspect ratio we want right away.

Certainly higher custom resolutions would yield even higher quality results, so we'll just have to wait and see what rabbit the Magic Lantern folks can pull out of their hat next. I'm definitely excited by the possible anamorphic applications, especially since very few budget cameras are capable of giving anything other than 16:9 -- and none in that budget range capable of true anamorphic currently give you RAW.

Link: Uncompressed YUV422 and 14-bit RAW video recording -- Magic Lantern Forum

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126 Comments

Holy fuck...

May 12, 2013

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David J. Fulde

Lets Welcome Everyone Back To Canon...lol Not sure when this will be released or even any test footage but I bet you EVERYONE will be jumping back to Canon once this works properly.

May 12, 2013

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Desmond Williams

Nobody ever left.

May 13, 2013

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James

I did, when right back to my Sony. Opinion based on what I now believe is a faulty 5D2

May 13, 2013

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PhinioxGlade

Well, not everybody.

At 64GB for just 15 minutes of footage, this is neither cheap nor easy-to-work-with.

Editing DNG footage means playback at around 1.5 fps. That's something to get used to!
And if I wanted to go for this, I would have to spend around $5K in a 5D3 body, a couple of batteries and some flash cards.
I left Canon last year (and I'm happy I did), and at this kind of price I'm not sure it makes sense for me to go back. I'll have to think about it...

May 13, 2013

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Sweet!

May 12, 2013

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vinceGortho

holy fuck, indeed.

May 12, 2013

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Nick Fornwalt

will it be possible on the T3i?

May 12, 2013

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Gareth

T3i's don't have CF card readers. So probably not. You need a CF card with 1000x read transfer speed.

May 12, 2013

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It might be possible to run the commands on a T3i, but remember that 1080p RAW from the 5D Mk. III ran at about 83 MB/s. The fastest SD cards go up to 95 MB/s, but since the T3i doesn't support the new higher-speed SD card standard of UHS-1, the maximum it'll be able to record is probably between 30 and 45 MB/s. With what looks to be flexible resolution options, you might still be able to record RAW video with the T3i, but it would most likely have to be at a much lower resolution -- probably under 720p, I'm guessing.

May 13, 2013

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Blah

Holy shit! Way to go Magic Lantern! I wouldn't be surprised to see 4k morion jpeg's at this rate. Keep the great work up!

May 12, 2013

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when New ML will be release? cant wait and see how it is. If its within next month, then i can wait and shoot my final school project by that. :D

May 12, 2013

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ALIEV

The ML team mixed up Christmas with Mother's Day, and nobody is complaining.

May 12, 2013

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Samuel Neff

Yes very true lol

May 12, 2013

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Desmond Williams

Why can't they hack the C100 and enable 4k RAW???

May 12, 2013

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Frederik O.

Because neither the C100's SD card or HDMI slots out are capable of fast enough recording speeds for RAW video. Enabling 10 or 12-bit uncompressed 1080P output is perhaps be a more viable hack for it.

May 13, 2013

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Marc B.

ok, ok, really good news, but someone knows how many second or minutes can my camera rec in raw mode?

May 12, 2013

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Nelson

@nelson. you will get around 15 minutes on a 1000x cf 64GB card. This will make it a very expensive way of recording. Great nonetheless.

May 12, 2013

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mark

Hey Mark do you think this could be paired with Atomos Ninja 2 to get a longer record time and still shoot in RAW?

May 12, 2013

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Desmond Williams

You still can... not use it :)
It has almost the same datarate as 4K in 1DC...

May 12, 2013

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Pavel Roytberg

Is there any mention if this will ever come to the 7D?

May 12, 2013

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Seriously. This would give the 7D such a comeback. I still find it's the more reliable and solid of the Canon's... and I was thinking of selling it since I got a BMCC. But if there's mention of this feature ever coming on the 7D, I might just keep it!

May 13, 2013

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Nicolás

"Sweet! Are there limitations which might prevent my fragile old 7D from getting a new lease of life?"

"7D has to be coded... should work tho."

May 13, 2013

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Kraig

Surely with the 7D having Dual Digic processors, this could mean that it would achieve these results with less effort than the 5DMKII and MKIII?

Could somebody explain why the 7D may be different in terms of getting ML working with these resolutions and bit rates?

May 13, 2013

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Richard

This has me on the edge of my seat! I would love to breathe new life into my 7D. I'm currently using a C100 with the Atomos Ninja it makes me wince when I go back to the 7D. This would give me a stunning B-Roll camera again.

May 13, 2013

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Richard

is there any way to get this output compressed to not have this insane data rates? the best would be if ML would just improve the hdmi out. raw is nice but not with that data masses. but i guess there´s no way to compress raw like red does.

May 12, 2013

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ben

If they could route it via the HDMI could you record at the highest ProRes quality on an external recorder like the Ninja 2?

May 13, 2013

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Bo Reidler

Any news if its possible for RAW on a 550D?

May 12, 2013

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shaun wilson

Just dreaming if one day my t2i would record Raw.. If you think that a month ago everybody said that usable raw video on a dslr was impossible..

May 12, 2013

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Most resolution I can do with for a custom "anamorphic mode" right now is 1320x1288. The speed needed to pull that resolution off is well below the max of what can be done with a Lexar 1000x CF card so I'd imagine the ML team could get that or a similar window up in resolution a bit more.

May 12, 2013

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Nice, I saw you're looking to test that out. Really interested in seeing the results! I think real anamorphic modes have the potential for giving us some amazing looking footage combined with RAW.

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Joe Marine
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Yeah! I think the CF card could handle something in the 1920x1440 range. That would be great!

May 12, 2013

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Luke, really looking forward to see what you come up with this coming week. Thanks for all the testing.

May 12, 2013

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Hi,

Lexar 1000x records continuous RAW 1080p (4GB). Or whatever resolution that has the same bitrate.

Regards

May 13, 2013

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Not to be mean to anyone, but stop asking for Raw on all these lower end Cameras. Right now lets focus on the 5D3 and get it working so the people who make money shooting short films and commercials can get to using the new upgrade. Not saying people with lower end cameras don't need it just saying I believe those who are getting paid are most likely not using a t2i at this point.
Its amazing that RAW is coming and really opens up alot of things. Hope to see this in a stable version soon.

May 12, 2013

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The role purpose on these hacks is actually give as most as possible on the lower end cameras, that's the challenge... Give it for those who can't be payed yet; students, aspiring artists... If you've been payed, you probably have a budget to rent something better if the job needs it...

So I sincerely hope they can make it work for the MKII, 60D... They probably will in some way.

Those guys are just awesome!

May 12, 2013

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Alex Mand

I agree with your ponts but for me, have RAW on the 5D will be better then RAW on the RED, for the fact of size. Having a camera that I can mount everywhere that does RAW is great.

May 12, 2013

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You're mainly right.

That's why ML is not interested on high-edn cameras like 1DC or EOS Cxxx line.

We all want to take full advantage of the HUGE potential (crippled or not exploited by Canon) that the affordable DSLR have inside.

Professionals with higher budgets can invest in more expensive cameras without needing a firmware add-on.

Regars

May 13, 2013

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Who's to say who deserves it more?

May 13, 2013

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Kraig

Im getting paid to shoot a feature on a 550D and the results for rushes encoded onto blu ray and 2K cinema blow up are breath taking so dont just think a 5D is the only DSLR tool for a professional DP.

May 14, 2013

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shaun wilson

Is it just me or does every example of this raw recording show signs of completely unusable rolling shutter?

May 12, 2013

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Stu Mannion

I have seen it, but this is early for the test and so far all test are bad footage really. Neumann Films with the thing they are talking about doing a test soon will tell what this can really do.

May 12, 2013

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24p is fine for some peeps, but what about 25p?!

Other models *may* come later, development is on 5D so don't hold you breath.

May 12, 2013

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some5Dude

Higher frame rates will come, as will other cameras at usable resolutions. Just give it some time.

May 12, 2013

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Joe Marine
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I'd rather have 1080p25 then 1920×1440 @24p.
That's what's wanted mostly here.

May 12, 2013

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some5Dude

How do these guys operate? donation? Just tell me how. I mean this is really amazing

May 12, 2013

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Chris

They used to take donations, you can find out how to contribute at their website http://www.magiclantern.fm/

May 12, 2013

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fiftybob

thanks!

May 13, 2013

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Chris

Well hey, I might actually be interested in selling my mk 2 and going for a mk 3 now.

May 12, 2013

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Bravo... Bravo! When this is out and functioning, these guys deserve a hell of a lot of generous donations!

May 12, 2013

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Bravo! Looking forward to some actual tests that show what's possible. If it ends up being a usable mode without overheating the camera one can only wonder why Canon didn't make this possible.

May 12, 2013

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James B.

but, but...what does this mean for my Nikon D600?

May 12, 2013

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MRGABE

lol...

That's what it means...

@some footage from Andrew Reid on EOSHD.

Best footage so far. Really amazing detail on the flower's shot...

https://vimeo.com/66033769

May 12, 2013

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Alex Mand

It means it is still an awesome camera, that doesn't change.

But hopefully this will even further motivate Nikon to even further progress with their video functionality (and they've been making great strides lately!) which will mean our Nikon glass collections will prove to carry on being even more useful in the future :-)

May 12, 2013

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As good as the news sounds for all my Canon heads........kind of messed up Canon has been killing our pockets and lying to us and telling us the hardware in the camera can't handle RAW.......hope ML hack it to the point RAW works well in all the low end camera, and most users don't have to buy another canon DSLR camera for the next 3 years.....thanks ML

May 12, 2013

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Alvin

What nobody is thinking about is that a 1000x 32GB card runs you $140, and it will give you about 5 min. of footage... With that kind of overhead on media, most would be better just renting a RAW camera.

May 12, 2013

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Kenneth Merrill

I think a few 128gb cards would be fairly essential for any continuous recording, and those are running around $650 right now!

May 12, 2013

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Clayton Arnall

full of win!

May 12, 2013

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Alex Mand

I think in crop mode u can record in 2mb or something... not that big... And those cards will drop fast as demand go higher and higher...

And for editing just use cineform... full of win!

May 12, 2013

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Alex Mand

Completely agree with you dude but I think as a feature for getting the odd nice establishing shots or cuttaways on run and gun/docu stuff - this is a real bunus!

May 12, 2013

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Kraig

That's very true. I think for anyone that already has this camera or was seriously considering it for other reasons, this news is killer. I just wouldn't purchase it solely for its RAW capabilities.

May 12, 2013

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Kenneth Merrill

Either way you're shooting Raw and need the same storage. SSD prices aren't much different than CF. Raw is Raw, it takes up space on all cameras that shoot it.

Let's stop trying to find ways to nitpick one of the biggest developments for Canon DSLR users since the Mark II.

May 13, 2013

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+100

Completely agree

May 13, 2013

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+1000

May 13, 2013

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Actually, raw is not always raw. For instance, Sony and Red use compressed raw, which allows for much more recording time. That's why those cameras are viable in a production setting. All I'm saying is that if you're shooting your production on a Mk III, you're probably not prepared to cover the costs of media.

May 13, 2013

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Kenneth Merrill

Excitement should not displace fact. A 64GB 1000x CF Card costs 300.00

A 256GB SSD costs 200.00

May 13, 2013

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Kholi

What about the 1000x 128GB Komputerbay cards that Philip Bloom champions? Says they are just as good as the $600 lexar cards but they are priced on amazon for about $170?

May 14, 2013

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Shanon Fernald

May 12, 2013

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Kraig

Wow! with sound!! lol

May 12, 2013

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Alex Mand

I'm just into the fact he has a crash helmet on!

May 13, 2013

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Kraig

I wanted to pass along a test that I did with my 5D Mark II using this firmware.

https://vimeo.com/66037206

The video compares the DNG to the internal H264. There's a little bit of information about what I did in the description box, too.

May 12, 2013

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Let's donate to these guys!

May 13, 2013

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Logan

May 13, 2013

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This is great news for DSLR users as far as capabilities go. But to me it practically proves that Canon is intentionally nerfing their equipment as a way to force people to pay through the nose for higher end gear. Obviously they are free to do what they want and they aren't obligated to make things "cheap and easy" for us. But to me it is a stupid business plan. They accidentally created the entire DSLR market and could have pretty much monopolized it if they intentionally pursued the low-budget film making market and used the components of the 5D MkII as the basis for a low end cinema camera.

Instead, they made a brand new low-end cinema camera but priced it at the same level as Red. Then continued their folly by using that new platform for even lower priced cameras with hobbled features that lack even basic features of DSLRs (60p for example) yet price them at double the cost. All they had to do was make a C300 style camera and price it for less than $5k and they would have owned the entire market.

May 13, 2013

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Damon

Cease and desist letter from Canon in 3, 2, 1...

But seriously, if some talented hackers can do this without any collaboration with the hardware developers, then Canon could very easily have given us this. If you're not willing to make your own products obsolete your competitor's will.

May 13, 2013

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MWL

Completely agree.

Canon is simply limiting their cameras for sole business purposes, which is reasonable (from their perspective) but there's a also limit for doing this.

The latest firmware update 1.2.1 is almost a joke (if not a cheat...). It doesn't deliver almost any improvement, and they made all Canon loyal community wait for more than 6 months.... All marketing stuff that in fact hurts the company's reliability.

They're facing their own wrong marketing & business attitude. They don't really understood the benefits that the 5D Mark 2 brought to them. They seem to only see profit, and even worse, with a narrow perspective.

There currently cheaper DSLR & mirrorless cameras that OFFICIALLY offer more than Canon DSLRs regarding video capturing and features.

It is time to STOP CRIPPLING cameras so obviously and deliver more of the huge potential from these cameras to their customers.

May 13, 2013

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As a Computer Programmer I can think of main reasons why not all the features of ML are included. One thing to consider is how much stress the raw recording puts on the camera, the cards, batteries. it is possible that the components of the 5D are not rated for all the extra processing that comes with raw or they looked at the market and said hey the target consumer isn't really to deal with raw. You have to remember that this camera was developed for stills then co-opted into video and ML continues repurposing.

I course will be applying the hack as soon as available for the 5D2.

May 13, 2013

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PhinioxGlade

You're absolutely right. I think we are forgetting that video was a secondary feature on the 5DMK2, so there's no wonder that these resolutions and bit rates did not come as standard.

I am as ecstatic about this news as anyone else is, but we will soon realise that strain on componentry, batteries, sensors and internal heat, will all show much quicker signs of age. I hope I'm wrong.

May 13, 2013

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Richard

I'm programmer too, also hardware development assistant and I know with certainty that many features are dropped for business reasons. You're right that some may stress the hardware beyond the original manufacturing design.

BUT, there are LOT of features in Canon's official firmware that are missing just because they don't care or don't want to include them.

Latest firmware 1.2.1 is a joke. The didn't even include audio recording...

Even if Canon thought RAW was not necessary (as they probably think) they could have improved the resolution, sharpness and dynamic range of the in-camera recording. But they didn't.

So it's obvious they don't want to do it. Even on a $3,500 they're delivering less than 800 lines in a Full HD output... And that's NOT because the Digic 5+ and chipsets couldn't do anything better...

The success of the 5D Mark 2 was something they didn't expect, but after that they tried to keep it "as it is", keeping all at the minimum... As someone said, Canon needs a refresh and new Chief Managers with new perspective.

May 13, 2013

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Business reasons were probably a major consideration by Canon. I would rather see a refinement of the existing feature set over inclusion of features which are not upto standard. I take granted focus peaking, zebras, crop lines and many other things. ML has added so much to Canon camera line but its a debug menu, a must have menu if you intend (as I do) to use these cameras for there non-primary purpose (video or manual/non canon lenses)

All that being said I can barely use by recently purchased 5D2 as I find the image much too soft and prefer the size and image of my NEX 5N but the field of view of the 5D2.

May 13, 2013

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PhinioxGlade

very nice
thank you

May 13, 2013

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Could it be the cheapest weather sealed RAW recording camera on the market now?

May 13, 2013

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Anthony Marino

This is great news for owners of the 5DM3. But I hope no one runs out and gets a 5D3 for this alone.
Magic Lantern pulled off what the BM Pocket Cinema camera will achieve out-of-the-box, yet Blackmagic seems to be open to suggestion from their client-base. I don't think smart hackers should be working to unlock the potential of hardware; the manufacturer should be. This is proof that Canon needs to be nailed in court for fraud upon their customers. What kind of world would we live in if these specs existed 3 years ago?

May 13, 2013

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But the BMPCC will to have the same low light capability nor will it have the larger frame sizes.

May 13, 2013

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Philip

But the BMPCC will NOT (damn you autocorrect) have the same low light capability nor will it have the larger frame sizes.

May 13, 2013

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Philip

Very true. But the output of the BMPC is 1080p RAW (like the Canon 5dM3 redux). It's just a matter of time before the Canon EF version appears. Some people may not want to play around with hacks, so the BMPC will make more sense, for the built-in support for Cinema DNG and ProRes.

And then there's the $2500 price difference.

May 13, 2013

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And don't forget the upcoming M4/3 Speedbooster

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Jules

I don't know about being nailed in court for fraud but it's still telling about what their business ethic is. Lets hope Blackmagic Design and Digi Bolex can lead the way into a new era of greed-less technological and creative advancement! :)

May 13, 2013

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Kraig

This frames have 240dpi of resolution. This means that you can easily upscale it to 4K with little IQ loss since RGB resolution consist of 72dpi.

Here's a sample png still from a 4K RED sequence: http://we.tl/2JT9is7EfI

May 13, 2013

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Juanky Alvarez

Lol. I don't know what THAT is, but it certainly isn't a RED 4K frame.

May 13, 2013

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Ok, it's a 1920px × 1280px 240dpi still frame from 5Dmk3 upscaled to 4096px × 2304px 72dpi still.
I used Premiere CS6 RED 4K 16:9 sequence preset for this. I never said it was a 4K RED frame.

May 13, 2013

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Juanky Alvarez

Errr...

May 13, 2013

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the joys of the internet and people not knowing what they are talking about before they try and tell someone else they don't know what they are talking about...

May 13, 2013

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Jerome (also..b...

LOL...

That's exactly what you said.

May 14, 2013

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Albert

So all of this is undoubtly exciting hacking into a Meant for Stills 5DMiii and getting Raw video files.
For all you previous 5D owners congrats!

My question is.. Can ML hack into the Canon C300 at some point and take advantage of it's already pre-excisting 4K sensor? I'm sure the camera is capable of doing much more than Canon is allowing it just like 5DMiii.

What are your thoughts ?
Would ML ever look into hacking a camera like the C300 ?

May 13, 2013

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kyle

I think it's an issue of cost. The C300 is a $15k camera vs. the $3.5k 5D3... every time you 'brick' a c300, $15k disappears from time and space... :)

May 13, 2013

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Juanky Alvarez

Canon threatened to bring the might of their legal team upon anyone who attempted to hack the 1D-X (probably cause it has the same capabilities as the 1D-C for half the price), so I would assume they would be just as protective of their more expensive products. ML even said they wouldn't hack the 1D-X in response. Which is really too bad.

And, I know what people are probably going to argue: yes, once you own something it is yours (like the judgement against Apple trying to protect their OS and prevent a Hackintosh), but being sued is really expensive and stressful whether you win or not.

May 13, 2013

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Dave Mueller

Canon threating to sue over Magic Lantern? Alright Canon why don't you stop pussy footing with you $5000 camera that shoots 1080p in MPEG-2 in only 8-bit 4:2:2, congrats you've gouged more people. Sure the picture is pretty but then again its not worth the cost. Take all the abilities of the C500 and throw them in the C100 and C300 and it'll be worth it. I really want to like the C100 but outside the picture it creates it just angers me, companies like Blackmagic are selling stuff that isn't as stable but its worth its weight, it does more for what you should have to pay...I don't understand why we are gouged into this crappy compressed 1080p 8-bit 4:2:0 world when its so easier to just offer something better, 1080p 10-bit 4:2:2 would be amazing..but then I guess you wouldn't being able to install the second helicopter pad on your yachts.

November 20, 2013

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Nate O

*Cough* D800? *Cough*

They have made dreams come true here.. Fantastic job.

May 13, 2013

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Lcky

I'm not very familiar with raw workflows, but I'm really curious about one thing. Is it possible to save those image sequences in some kind of file container? like a .mov? I think would speed up the whole workflow a lot...

May 13, 2013

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Lou Goetzmann

Yes - image sequences can be transcoded in a batch processor like Adobe media encoder to just about any edit friendly format you like. Of course, it would make sense to pull in the full dynamic range of the raw sequence first! This is a good option if you want to preserve hard drive space and have a super slick codec for editing, like Prores 422.

May 13, 2013

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ron

Ok, thanks !:-) I suppose doing this right in the 5d Mark3 won't be possible?

May 13, 2013

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Lou Goetzmann

Putting image sequences like JPEG into a .mov container is pretty simple but I don't think raw can be done that way, unless I'm mistaken.

May 13, 2013

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ron

dusting off my 5dm lll now

May 13, 2013

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DIO

*** i wouldn't go anywhere NEAR a mark lll firmware update from here forward. i didn't even do the recent one, after i read the reviews of the crippled third party batteries, and basically: the bullshit canon agenda of icing all of us mk lll users for six months on an empty promise.

so --- do you think canon engineers will be all over the magic lantern alphas, and figuring out a way to disable ML via a firmware update ? me too .. they can stick it in their shorts.

May 13, 2013

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sjk

NFS is blowing some of its editorial credibility by touting this so highly/loudly. Go over the Cinematography.net -- the longtime global forum for pro cinematographers, a number of whom shoot on DSLRs sometimes, and you will see the "RAW news from Canon" is being poo-poohed for very clear technical reasons, as well as aesthetic reasons.

May 13, 2013

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John B.

do you have a link?
I think this news deserves more than being touted highly and loudly..
I mean, "14 bits RAW" dude, it is crazy! We are talking about something that makes the difference between "video camera" and "Cinema camera", between a toy and a real beast, the 5d3 is entering the big league, and i don't understand how some people are so anxious about that..

May 13, 2013

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NMendes

you should go and dig some info into ML dev group. Might change your mind...

Ow by the way a lot of pro dslrs users keep saying that ML is not rock solid, bla bla... I'm working daily with it with zero problems...

I love every time a "pro" goes out saying the truth about tech, as if he knew all the code. Just so easy, right...

lol

May 14, 2013

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Alex Mand

I would take a huge grain of salt with anything people on cinematography.net say about anything digital, unless it's David Mullen.

May 14, 2013

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Gabe

Night and day tests of 1080p RAW Video plus sample dngs from these videos - http://fil.io/FL5s6/Canon%205D%20Mark%20III%20RAW%20videos

May 13, 2013

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Marcus

So, theoretically, this should increase the value of the MKII and therefore, hypothetically, buying a bunch of MKIIs now while the general masses are selling them 'cheap' could be considered a potentially wise investment...
And then it turns out the camera blows up after 27 seconds of continuous recording and your stuck with a bunch of revolutionary though out dated bodies...
Still something to marinate on though...

May 13, 2013

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I don't see much visibility to shoot raw with CF it is just doesn't make sense , but it is a good start, maybe later there will be something else.

May 14, 2013

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Peter

Will this work on the new 1.2.1 firmware update? Thanks

May 14, 2013

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George R

I can't find the answer anywhere...is the raw video still 8bit? Raw is still a great thing to have, but if its 8bit then I wouldn't start comparing it to Red cams or even the Bmcc.

May 14, 2013

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It's 14bit Raw

May 14, 2013

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Neill

Nice!

May 14, 2013

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I think Canon relishes this. They get a crazy amount of web press. They get free software/firmware work, that makes the camera cutting edge but doesn't affect their warranty or support team. They sell waaaaay more cameras to people that would otherwise not be buying $10,000 bodies (Those that can and need, will anyway)
It wouldn't surprise me if they don't know the people at ML and converse with them regularly. How do they lose? Who do they lose to? The people that get hit hard are the Nikon, BM, panasonic, sony..... users.

May 14, 2013

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Canon does not talk to ML. Check their FAQs.

May 17, 2013

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Dagomir Kaszlikowski

This is amazing! So very excited. But does this mean it is also available for the mark 2?

May 22, 2013

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carlos

http://vimeo.com/66804652

My latest! Comparing H264 Technicolor Cinestyle to ML Raw. Highlight recovery, curves tweaked slightly in Adobe Camera Raw. No other correction applied, and no post sharpening applied. Didn't touch cinestyle H264 footage at all because frankly, it's no longer pleasurable to tweak compressed footage.

Shot on May 22nd build, on Komputerbay 1000x.

Vimeo is set to 1080p, so please give it a second to load and then hit fullscreen. The parrot shots and the clocktower shots are my favorites in terms of showing off the power of the extended DR and color corrective capabilities.

May 23, 2013

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It seems we ve switched from a society with capitalist market to a capitalist society and no one told us.
The main target of an industry business is to make bennefit... As michael sandel said. So we already have the proof of it. And its happening in most areas of the civil business world..you name it. The great news is the fact that we have at least internet so people with enough studies to see how to improve our machines can share it with us. Keep on the good work ML team !

May 24, 2013

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