April 1, 2015
SXSW 2015

Inside the 8-Day Production of the Subversive & Entertaining 'A Wonderful Cloud'

A WONDERFUL CLOUD Eugene Kotlyarenko & Kate Lyn Sheil
What's the weirdest movie you saw at SXSW? A Wonderful Cloud is a fun, weird and indelible story of a former off-screen couple, Eugene and Kate, energetically playing out their real-world baggage.

We spoke with director Eugene Kotlyarenko while at this year's SXSW. We immediately find Eugene in the hotel lobby, adorned with an outfit that makes him look like a space cowboy. The sarcasm running thick:

First, check out the trailer to A Wonderful Cloud.

Eugene: The major misconception about the movie is that everything in it is real, right. That I'm actually balding, that the poop was real, that I was really eating pussy and that the cum was real. We made that poop; the poop is insulated rubber foam that was painted by the production designer. The cum is Cetaphil mixed with some other liquid -- 

Vish: Lube -- 

Eugene: Me being bald is literally the production designer painstakingly gluing each strand over a bald prosthetic cap that I continue to wear throughout the festival. We obviously used a lot of the 3 million dollar budget to do a lot of the prosthetics and stuff, and we are also post converting, because we did get an additional $10 million to convert to 3D. The festivals weren't equipped for that.

NFS: What was the process like working with Kate?

Eugene: It's really a collaboration. I'm exploiting her for sure and she's exploiting me and I think that's what people who are talented who get to hook up -- not sexually but creatively -- do, they exploit each other's strengths. ​They help eliminate each other's weaknesses and they hopefully arrive at -- I don't want to say "product", I don't want to say "content", because those words are so stupid -- they arrive at a piece of art or a piece of entertainment that is valuable to others.

NFS: I loved the character, the charisma, the naturalism. 

Eugene: I don't require any sort of analysis or even reaction beyond "I enjoyed watching it." If you were there for the ride, that's what's cool to me. If you don't look at your phone, I like that. If you don't stop it to go take a dump, if you hold in your pee -- I hold in my pee for really good movies. It makes it better.

I've written enough bad conversations to know what is boring and sucks.

NFS: Were you influenced by A Wayward Cloud? The title?

Eugene: No, actually. I really care and love movies, but I just have this philosophy that things that seem stupid to me or obvious to me are good. That's what I want to be putting in movies. Because when I think something is really smart it usually doesn't turn into a good movie thing. I had no idea about the plot really or anything and I said, "What is the dumbest title for a movie you can think of?" And we wrote down like 10 or 11 titles and just sat there and were like oh, okay, what is the most vague title we can think of? We can literally just use it for anything and then "A Wonderful Cloud" was the only thing that was in both categories, dumb and vague, so I was like oh, great, perfect.

NFS: Right.

Eugene: And then later on when I was finishing up the treatment for this I found this Ralph Waldo Emerson quote. "The Cloud is now as big as your hand, and now it covers a county." That's nice, wow, I just got chills saying that. I always wanted to put it at the beginning of the movie. No, because cool, it's sort of poetic and sort of ambiguous commentary on perception and on distance. And there is something to that in the relationship between me and Kate, right? There is this baggage that exists and sometimes it's just nothing and you hold it and it's precious and sometimes it's like this cloud and it looms over you and it oppresses.

The wall between the viewer and the film gets thinner and I think it's helpful to make that wall as thin as possible now, because people demand it.

NFS: How are these performances being built?

Eugene: I knew we basically had a very short period of time so I wasn't going to be able to write a really detailed dialogue-heavy script, so the most important this is casting. I watch a lot of movies, I know what would be a good conversation in a movie versus a bad conversation in a movie. I've written enough bad conversations to know what is boring and sucks. Then when me and Vish [] talk I'm like, "Oh my god, this would be so good in a movie, we need to capture that."

We just realized that the whole thing about John Cassavetes and Mike Leigh is that they're super dynamic and they have a particular world view and idea of humanity and what brings people together and what brings them apart and that they're cool and smart and manipulative and crazy. And I would say that, for the most part, contemporary filmmakers who try improvisation, especially American ones, don't have most of those qualities -- and then Kate convinced me that she did and that I did and that's nice of her to enable me.

NFS: You said you like mixing tones. How do you go about this?

Eugene: Whenever you turn stuff back on the audience it becomes an examination of all aspects of life. You open it up. That's why using the phone footage of me and Kate at the beginning and end, it is the perfect foundation to show audience that we're not just performers acting -- which we were -- but we have this foundation that's grounded in a very personal thing that people can relate to. This really happened. This is really based on us. And then when people see this access to a Skype conversation or this access to phone footage they start to reflect back on themselves. The wall between the viewer and the film gets thinner and I think it's helpful to make that wall as thin as possible now, because people demand it. The reason people do their Facebook and do their emails while they're watching a movie is because they think they have to manage their lives.

A WONDERFUL CLOUD Kate Lyn Sheil & Eugene Kotlyarenko

If you can make viewers feel like the lives of the people on screen are as close to their own lives, then they get invested in it, they get immersed in it. That's why long form television is so successful, because people get invested in those characters over the long haul. I'm more interested in the cathartic experience of watching a movie for 90 minutes, sitting there -- I love that, that's so powerful, but the challenge is how do you immerse people in that nowadays where they don't view 90 minutes as the correct format for an investment. You have to find other ways to pull them in. So, maybe explosions, but maybe also something that just grabs them and says this is real, this is the truth, or this is your world and I'm twisting it upside down and turning it with a little butter knife in your little stomach.

A Wonderful Cloud Production Notes

Inside the Production

The production of A Wonderful Cloud was incredibly fast, from June 27th-July 8th with only two days off. These entertaining BTS courtesy of Eugene Kotlyarenko:

Here we have one of several misspellings of Kate's surname. They haunted Eugene throughout the movie, but were all duly corrected.
Here we have one of several misspellings of Kate's surname. They haunted Eugene throughout the movie, but were all duly corrected.

Kate and I began emailing on the 19th of May, with the loose idea that it might be possible to produce a movie that coming summer -- her schedule permitting. At the end of May she said she’d have a small window between late June and early July. Christian handed me a check on June 8th, 1 hour after I pitched the idea to him. I was immediately excited about the film when I figured out the opening titles would be over imagery intercutting Kate's flight with Eugene's dissociative relationship sex. I started mapping out these cuts by hand on June 10th. Taking pen to paper often helps me figure out rhythm. 

Kotlyarenko writing on little sleep, looking like the sad clown that he is
Kotlyarenko writing on little sleep, looking like the sad clown that he is.
The bulk of the story was written in a flurry on June 11th, from 1:15-3:30 AM. I can actually see the edits as they were made in my Google Drive History. Pretty chill. First there was nothing and then 8 pages. This was based off of stuff that I spitballed with Kate the previous three weeks. Another set of revisions were made on June 16th and June 20th, with major contributions from Brande Bytheway (Producer), Dan O'Sullivan (DP), and Joan Howard Lee (Production Designer). By June 20th we had moved completely into a Shooting Script-style scene breakdown, which we would use on set. This shooting script had 65 scenes and mirrors the final film very closely.

Vish and Eugene get ready to make love... for the cameras.
Vish and Eugene get ready to make love... for the cameras.
The first scenes we shot were the sex scenes. I guess the received advice is to begin a shoot with something easy and smooth to help build confidence and momentum. I'm not sure if simulated cunnilingus qualifies as that, but that's what fit best with our schedule a la Brande. All credit goes to Rachel Lord (Joy), who unabashedly allowed my face and the camera to get close to that special area. I knew it would make for an iconic and startling “in a movie by” image. I love Joy’s blow-up scene, where we finally reveal her on-camera. This photo was taken shortly before we filmed the latter sex sequence from the movie. I think my character is about to inadvertently imagine having sex with Vish. Joan looks on to make sure the bedsheets haven't changed too much because this sequence will be jump cut. Laban Pheidas our renaissance utility man, slates this one. He had a way of pronouncing the movie's title in the most comedic fashion. His energy with that never let up and it was really inspiring to hear a funny and unexpected variation at the beginning of every take.

A Wonderful Cloud Cum, FAKE OR REAL??
This image speaks for itself... but also let me note how integral production design and costumes are for a movie that is "low budget naturalistic." If you want to capture something interesting about everyday banality you have to conceive of it precisely. Joan Howard Lee concocted this special sauce which we used several times throughout the film from a recipe provided by Brande. It's impressive in its verisimilitude. Lisa Katnic's inspired costume choices also played an integral role in helping set the tone of the film and vibe of the characters. Kate said that, only after we met with Lisa did she begin to fully inhabit this character. Details like wardrobe are especially crucial when actors are being asked to play variations on themselves. Putting them in new clothes gives them the space to NOT BE THEMSELVES. Which of course adds dimensions to their portrayal and freedom to their performance.

Eugene and Vish
Eugene and Vish

You never sleep. You argue with people that you love and respect. You find yourself second-guessing decisions that were settled long ago. You scramble for control in the face of a reckless universe. You immediately regret moving on, always wondering whether a scene could’ve been better. You beg for more money and more time. You try to inspire those around you, even at the expense of your own confidence or dignity or vocal chords. Did I mention you have to be awake before you’ve even gone to bed. And still in the face of all that, directing the actors, being on set with the crew, figuring out shots, working out the blocking and getting the timing just right, can culminates in some of the purest feelings of love, I’ve ever had. As everyone pushes to make something special out of a small spark you had months or even years earlier, you come as close to happiness as you can.

Ben Moses Smith on A Wonderful Cloud
This is the third time Ben (left) and I have edited a big project in his apartment during a hot L.A. summer. Sometimes we wear shirts and sometimes we don't.
Much more than a conventionally scripted film, A Wonderful Cloud had to be written in the editing room. Since no 2 takes were identical, Ben and I had to discover which lines and actions worked best to make each scene feel complete. On the other hand, very little tinkering was done with the overall structure. To get by through post, we took on other jobs, pushing Cloud hard whenever we were free. By September 2nd we had an assembly and a fine cut by the beginning of October. I’d essentially taken a movie from homunculus to final cut in less than 4 months.

Kate looks over at the camera, probably because she knew one day we would need great “Behind The Scenes” photos like this. Ben is more skeptical.
Kate looks over at the camera, probably because she knew one day we would need great “Behind The Scenes” photos like this. Ben is more skeptical.

Generally, I think it’s good practice not to show an actor the unfinished piece they star in. You obviously don’t want to shake their overall confidence, but more importantly you don’t want to be too influenced by them. An actor watching something he knows can still be changed will usually offer misplaced feedback, sacrificing the health of the film for the maintenance of their image within it. But Kate is a really special actress and cinephile. She loves films in a really pure way. I knew her criticism would come from the right place: that of wanting the best possible movie. After we showed her, there was a long convo, prob over three hours. Later that night, Ben and I applied most of her notes. I’m confident the film is better for it.

Jake mans the boards up at his Sound Suite in Shadow Hills. Our mixing ended early a few nights, when his neighbors got too rowdy.
Jake mans the boards up at his Sound Suite in Shadow Hills. Our mixing ended early a few nights, when his neighbors got too rowdy.

Jake Viator was our sound wizard. He did Production sound AND the Sound Design. This sort of vertically integrated control over sound from beginning to end is obviously rare in most movies, where every differentiated task is specialized. But when the resources are sparse, a filmmaker is lucky to find people who have an ethos more akin to the fine artist -- crafting something from conception to completion. Jake had built a mini-facility in a shed on his property. We probably went at it together for a cumulative 4 weeks, whenever Jake was free over the 5-month post-production cycle.

Eugene and the film’s Executive Producer, Christian Rosa, posing like Oscar statues in their Cloud shirts.
Eugene and the film’s Executive Producer, Christian Rosa, posing like Oscar statues in their Cloud shirts.
Making films means undertaking an endeavor very different from that of the conventional artist. Mainly, it’s highly collaborative and, even on the smallest scale, requires a serious financial investment. The movie was very lucky to have Christian Rosa as its Executive Producer. I think because he’s a painter, he knows the fragility of the creative process and the importance of respecting the artist’s vision. In filmmaking, that takes on an added dimension, since it’s the collaboration of many creative agents guided by the director. The last thing this complicated alchemy needs is the intrusion of an outside voice, not in tune with all the creative details being hashed out. The filmmakers I like best are fully intent on engaging the largest possible audience with their work. They’re striving for entertainment, no matter how strange or unconventional or challenging. And it’s good for business! Many financiers don’t get that the Director you hired is inside the project, gearing it towards maximum entertainment — that’s why you probably gave her money in the first place. Why would you ever force her hand towards decisions she doesn’t believe in or understand? Christian never demanded any changes to the script or the different cuts we sent him. He offered only encouragement of the moral, philosophical and financial kinds, from beginning to end. When I sent him the final cut (before final color/sound/titles) he watched it 3 times in a row with his friends and told me they couldn’t stop cracking up. It was one of the most rewarding things I could hear as we were wrapping up A Wonderful Cloud

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Supportive and inspired statement followed by a request for more interviews similar to this one.

April 3, 2015 at 8:58PM, Edited April 3, 8:58PM

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