November 16, 2016 at 11:21AM

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As7ii vs Canon 5D mark iii

It's been month that I am struggling back and forth to know which camera I want to get.
Basically everyone I am asking says the sony a7sii, but its been maybe 20 video footage that I see and nothing crazy there.
Not sure why but cannot find the video details the sharpness i am looking for.
So here is my question ( sorry for the long intro) what about buying the Canon 5D mark iii (can get it refurbished for 1800 ) so i can get lenses and other accessories.
The only reason i will want to go for the sony its the weight because i am a girl, using the glidecam hd 2000 i know the 5d is kind of heavy.
Really lost sorry, cannot understand why in a 3000 $ camera cannot see the cinema sharp look i am looking for.
The weird thing is that i can see the look i want on the gh4 , the a6300, or the canon 70D but those are not full frame , so dont really want to buy lenses that i could not use on a full frame in case i switch one day.
Thanks a lot !

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The GH4 is a brilliant video camera, and m43 lenses are (1) smaller, (2) lighter, and (3) cheaper than their 35mm equivalents. It's true that you don't get the ultimately shallow depth of field effect you can achieve with S35 and 35FF cameras. But that's just one consideration of dozens you should evaluate. A smart, small camera that produces gorgeous images easily is never a waste of money. Many people who own RED cameras use GH4 as their B camera. There's a reason! Even though most of them are men, they, too, want something small and lightweight as an alternative to something big and heavy.

Check out the Olympus PRO series of lenses: incredible performance for their price.

November 16, 2016 at 11:51AM

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Thanks for the answer !
I kind of want to upgrade to FF tho, between the 5D mark iii and the sony a7sii which one is your Go to ?
Thanks for the help !

Lea Sabban

November 16, 2016 at 1:04PM, Edited November 16, 1:04PM

If you want to shoot videos of your black cat at midnight on a moonless night, the SONY is unmatched. If you want to shoot photos of your cat looking bored while you are waiting for the sun to set, the Canon. If you want to shoot video with your Canon 5D3, be prepared for (1) major, soul-crushing disappointment, or (2) installing Magic Lantern software that effectively turns the camera into a self-supported 3rd-party hack (and not so much a Canon DSLR anymore).

Michael Tiemann

November 16, 2016 at 3:26PM, Edited November 16, 3:26PM

The A7sii is paired a Lot with RED as well.... However, if you are someone like me than color wins and That's why i'd Go with the Canon....

Wentworth Kelly

November 17, 2016 at 1:18AM

You missed an important detail: what are you gonna shoot with the camera?
Answering without any idea about this is pointless.

November 17, 2016 at 7:03AM

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Ezi Seel
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Sharpness is mostly about optics. If you put a great prime lens on the camera, you'll get a sharp image. I've never been impressed with the GH4. On the surface, it seems sharper but that's because it doesn't have an OLPF, which prevents aliasing/moire, very NON-cinematic, and it's noisy! The other cameras you mentioned being sharp don't have OLPFs either. The "sharpness" you see is an illusion caused by the sensor spitting out HF that doesn't really exist in your scene. You'll see strange colors in fine patterns too.

If somebody put a gun to my head and told me to choose between the D5 and As7ii, I'd probably go with the Canon because it has slightly less rolling shutter, which is also a very NON-cinematic artifact. It may be heavier but you'll get used to it with some practice. One of the best hand-held camera ops I know is a girl and I've never seen her with a camera that weighed less than 10Lbs.

November 17, 2016 at 7:42AM, Edited November 17, 7:48AM

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Stephen, I have to disagree with your statements about the GH4. Searching the NFS website (which, in retrospect, would have been good advice for the OP) discovers this article that compares GH4 to 5D3, and comports well with my own experience: http://nofilmschool.com/2014/06/dave-dugdales-gh4-review-retire-canon-dslr

In particular, the GH4 does have an OLPF (it is fairly weak, but strong enough to beat the moire problem) and when it captures video, it does so with proper filtering rather than Canon's line-skipping implementation. The line-skipping implementation actually creates aliasing and moire that was otherwise handled by the full-res sensor and high-quality OLPF, meaning that Canon's video implementation actively degrades image quality. Which is why so many replace Canon's original firmware with Magic Lantern, despite the tradeoffs in doing so.

The cameras with the true notoriety for no OLPF are the Blackmagic Cinema Cameras. GH4 has an OLPF that is good. Canon has an OLPF which is good, but defeated by their incredibly naive video scaling algorithm.

Michael Tiemann

November 17, 2016 at 2:10PM

I have never seen a Canon camera beat out a Sony A series. In fact, I sold my RED to get a Sony camera because of how amazing it was but like said above, if you're strapping a vintage lens on it, of course, you will not get the image you want. Not only that but the Sony really shines in post production. It's not until you unleash it's abilities with color grading that you see the difference. Canon images will fall apart almost immediately, especially with the sharpness boosted on the picture profile.

November 17, 2016 at 9:38AM

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Clark McCauley
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I won't say you are wrong. Some people really love SONY's color. I don't, but it is a matter of personal preference. There are some good comparison videos online. The OP might really like the A7's color. Or she may hate it. Best to know ahead of time before dropping $2000.

Michael Tiemann

November 17, 2016 at 2:11PM

We sold our Canon 5d3 and bought the Sony a7sii. focus peaking, zebras, 4k, slog 2 are the reasons. Very cool camera, plus you can shoot with natural light like crazy. If want sharp concentrate on the lens.

November 20, 2016 at 11:19AM

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Scott Jensen
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I shoot on Sony but wouldnt own one mainly because the color on it is pretty disappointing. Too Video Like

November 20, 2016 at 7:08PM

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Wentworth Kelly
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My guess is that you aren't seeing that sharp look, because Canon cameras add a great deal of sharpness in the camera. You can drop it down, but the Sony can get super flat in LOG. You can add a lot of that back in post. i've worked with both many times, and I much prefer the A7s line. Canon is great if you want the shortest time possible in post. All of the sharpness and color is great in camera. The A7sii is great if you have some more time. You have to dial in the sharpness, contrast and color (especially color) in post, but the huge dynamic range, insane low-light, slow motion capabilities, 4K, and more video-oriented features win it for me.

November 21, 2016 at 1:41PM

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Craig Douglas
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