January 19, 2015 at 7:57AM

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Can anyone give me some constructive fedback on my first music video?

Hi guys! First Post here.. long time reader tough.. (:
I was wondering if anyone can give me any kind of feedback on my first music video, shot in one day ( 11hours straight), edited in two weeks (+/- 7hours/day, roughly 140 hours total)
Equipment used:

1x Canon 700D + kit lens
1x Nikon D3200 + kit lens
100cm slider + monopé + flycam
Software - Adobe Premiere CC + Adobe After Effects CC + 5DtoRGB

I realize it will sound to you guys as it was chinese but it's actually portuguese lol and if you could please look pass the linguistic barrier and personal music taste i would appreciate alot!!

I did the video clip for free since it was the first one but the artist just told me that they want to keep doing videos with me :D
.. and now some questions rise..
what's the fair amount that i should ask for the next video? Am i paid by the hour or by the project? any advice from you?

Please guys hit me up with some feedback, i really need your help ;)
here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bji4NbULQvE
Thanks in advance!
sorry for any errors, English is not my first language..

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Well this is your first video... you did well! keep it up. Keep working on your shot sizes tho. When you charge the next time around, make sure you get a better lens than your kit lens.

January 20, 2015 at 7:21AM

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Wentworth Kelly
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What do you mean shot sizes? do you mean bad framing or alike?
I plan on renting a 6D with a 24-70 f4 next time (:
thank you for your consideration and feedback!!!

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January 20, 2015 at 12:44PM

Oh okok, noted! ;)
definitely getting more attention on that next time (:
And yup i kinda like the crushed blacks look but I'll have to have more caution next time because of the way the youtube uploud worsens my dynamic range.. =/

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January 21, 2015 at 9:09AM

First of all, many thanks for your time and feedback! ;)
What do you mean with shot sizes? bad framing or alike?
Yup, next time we intend to rent a 6D with a 24-70 F4 (:
Once again thanks man!

January 20, 2015 at 1:40PM

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93 studios
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Your shot sizes weren't bad as a matter of fact you have proper framing but use your framing to tell the story. I dont know the language that the rap was done in but use shot sizes to bring your story especially to people who dont really understand. Also preserve your shadows dont crush your blacks too much... You did a good first video so feel proud of yourself man ;-)

Wentworth Kelly

January 20, 2015 at 2:32PM, Edited January 20, 2:32PM

Pretty good for a first musicvideo.
Although that doesn't tell us what your experience as a filmmaker is ;-)

The genre isn't really my cup of tea, so I can't really compare to other hiphop/rap videos, but I can tell it seems to fit in the scene.
Some of the '2nd camera shots' worked pretty well, although they seemed to be lacking a motivation (except for using it for variety). In most shots the rapper addresses the camera. The 2nd camera shots give a more BTS/voyeuristic view, without it being really part of the 'story'. This could be an idea for the next time: make the 2nd camera really like Behind The Scenes: also showing the shooting of the video. (Hmm, I hope I make sense... my render is almost finished and my deadline has more priority then writing a book on NFS ;-) )

Definitely doesn't sound like Chinese, although it doesn't sound like fado or Moonspell either ;-)

Great to hear they want to work with you again.
Make sure they want to pay for it.

2 Weeks of editing is pretty long.
This was cut in 1 day by an editor who got the footage in the morning and had to finish it before dinner. And then I graded it and did a little (4 shots) recutting (of the finished edit: I didn't have the footage & project) on another day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHK_anHNzbI
(An extra day for the editing could have been useful here ;-) )

Keep it up!

January 21, 2015 at 12:33AM

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WalterBrokx
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hey! First let me thank you for the inputs m8! ;)

Now, regarding the second camera shot we used them mostly to go with the music elements more than with the actual lyrics and i totally understand what you mean by 'bts look' but actually i kinda liked the way it let people see almost a 'different side' of the artist..
ahah, yeah not definitly fado nor moonspel and the music itself isnt one of my favorites but it strikes me as a 'licable sonority' in general lol

Yeah and 2 weeks i recon to be a long time indeed but we had so many Raws (11hours..lol) that half of that 2 weeks were spent just looking for the best clips and organizing all the stuff..
I saw your video and yup it looked solid but as you say, an extra day or two wouldnt make it any bad (:

On the 'filmaker' side i have a short film i did one year or so ago, if you have the time and disposition to check it, its called Respawn and here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj3tBvw-eWQ
PS: dont be to hard since it was the first thing we ever did :D

once again man, really appreciated your feedback! thanks for the time ;)

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January 21, 2015 at 9:01AM

I suggest you go the extra mile next time. Analyse some of the great hip-hop videos, watch the shots, download them, slice and dice them up, throw them back into a NLE, and imitate how they cut them together. Go in with a shortlist and details.

January 21, 2015 at 6:53AM

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Zachariel Shanahan
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humm, kinda reticent on 'imitating' m8.. I really like to get my inspiration from some great videos tough, do you have any on your mind? (:

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January 21, 2015 at 9:03AM

I think its pretty good... editing is good too, a little too fast for my taste (I'm getting old) I just don't like the first shots when he is standing in front of the graffiti piece and the shots of his face change angles every x seconds... off course, a little bit more of a storyline would be nice too :) but for a rap video this is more than enough.

140 hours of editing... PQP.... if you have to charge people for that they will have to sell a lung and start selling drugs on a major scale. Your video is nicely edited but you have to find a workflow that enables you to do this in a lot less time.

For a video like that you could easily charge around 1000 euros, but if you put 151 hours in it (with filming) you are getting underpaid. You also have to see if your clients have that kind of money because with rap artists that's always a challenge too. Are they making money with their music?

January 21, 2015 at 1:09PM

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gandulf charpentier
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First of all let me thank you for your time :D
PQP? :p

lol yeah i know we took a long time with the editing .. and i'm not blaming my laptop but part of the time i thing its due to the fact my pc its a bit outdated and therefore i usually w8 waaay waaaay more than it would be anywhere else.. besides that there's the fact that we spent lots of time getting sure that the audio was properly synced with the video.. (Tryin plural eyes next time I guess..)
In terms of the storyline I also think it would bring more the the video but the only wanted to film he singing in the diferrent spots they use to hangout..
And yeah I dont want to charge above 'my level' but i also dont want to be underpaid.. and you talked about sometinh bery important as well. the fact that my 'clients' may not have the money to pay me what i 'deserve'.. and nop they are not making any money since it was their first song as well..

Once again Gandul, many thanks for your time , really appreciated :D

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January 22, 2015 at 1:01PM

I actually really like it

January 21, 2015 at 2:30PM

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Dominick Ferreira
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yeaah i'm really glad you take the time to answer me and watch the video, even if it is not your mother language! (:
Even with all the work and listening the music 9001 times we really liked doing it as well (:

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January 22, 2015 at 1:04PM

Good job, man. Keep it up!

January 22, 2015 at 3:47PM

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Jose Pardo
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thanks man!! nice to hear it (: will definitely do! :D

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January 22, 2015 at 4:09PM

I thought it was pretty solid for your first music video. I liked the wording a lot. I didnt like how some of the cuts were pretty harsh and the difference bouncing camera angles for a few times when he was raping. Just my 2 cents.

January 22, 2015 at 5:26PM

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Jack Fleming
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do you think its possible to be because of camera difference or the actually pacing?

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January 23, 2015 at 11:58AM

Keep it up - shows real promise for your first music video!

January 23, 2015 at 12:37AM

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thanks Jake! nice to ''hear'' those words :D

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January 23, 2015 at 11:58AM

Biggest gripe for me here is almost zero b-roll footage.
This is all to personal taste but for me I prefer a 60/40 Rap performance to B-roll (cut away)
Especially cos its a very in your face artist, show some close ups of the crew, a dog on a leash etc... all cliche but those are just examples.
Having b-roll footage easily makes the viewer not lose interest.

I like to study rap videos to see what really makes them tick.
Try that too.

All in all, if that really is your first music video, you did superb.

January 23, 2015 at 5:51AM

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Yup nicely thought.. Next time I'll definitely pay more attention to b roll
i actually shot some b roll stuff but with the gopro (i tought i'd use them in the BTS or something but honestly i didnt liked the way it looked..

And it is! thanks man!! really appreciated ;)

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January 23, 2015 at 11:57AM

great feedback

January 24, 2015 at 9:29AM

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Chris Patterson
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Looks good, pacing was right. Maybe some more camera angles, better lighting, etc.

Overall, solid first video.

January 27, 2015 at 12:40PM

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Kris McCreery
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