March 14, 2015 at 4:06PM

0

Cheape Solution Wireless Lav Systems

Hi,

I'm planning to shoot a short video and in need of portable wireless microphone systems (transmitter+receiver). As you know, these gadgets are really expensive ($200+) and honestly beyond my budget. For the video, there will be two person talking while walking and I will be recording them with a DSLR. This means 2 sets of wireless systems and means at least $400. Since I'm not living in US and 1 dollar equals 3 bucks for me, it's really expensive. Renting is not a solution, because I'll be using it at least for a week and means same cost at all.

Question 1: Are there any cheap options without any interference? I was looking for Little DARlink, but still is not on the market.

Question 2: AKG has a cheap ($100) set for 2 transmitters and 1 receiver can capture both, and I already have a Zoom H6. But receiver is not working with batteries. Is there any possible option to feed the receiver with an external battery in a DIY approach of course?

Link to AKG's set: http://www.akg.com/pro/p/wms40duinsetgroup

Thanks!

30 Comments

Better? make a dub in your house. Trust me. :D

March 16, 2015 at 7:30AM

0
Reply
avatar
Ragüel Cremades
Film producer and director
7994

$200? You have obviously never made a film before. Professional wireless audio systems don't exist for $1000 each. Whatever you are getting at $200 is absolute garbage. The industry standard is Lectrosonics and goes for approximately $5000 per channel. Hire a sound mixer who knows what they're doing. Oh wait you don't know what youre doing because you can't even come up with a budget to afford crappy equipment much less hire professionals. Making a movie starts with producing, do us all a favor and get out of the business!

Chris

March 21, 2015 at 4:51AM

Kind of stating the obvious here isn't it?
Not everyone here is a high end producer with big budgets. There is nothing wrong with trying out on cheaper gear.
Also not everyone does it as a profession but rather for fun.

Your comment is rather toxic and uncalled for. Maybe you should do the community a favor and stop posting such stupidity?

The industry wont get new talent if everyone would be like you just bashing anyone who is new. Don't act like you weren't going to the learning fase.

Robin

March 21, 2015 at 8:17AM, Edited March 21, 8:17AM

Have you looked into purchasing two Rode Smartlavs? They're about $70 and can plug directly into most smart phones which would just be in your subject's pockets.

March 16, 2015 at 7:21PM

2
Reply
avatar
Brad Tennant
Director / Cinematographer
458

You beat me to mentioning smart phones but how does using two recordings work with recording on one DSLR? Do you switch audio tracks as people take turns talking or do you mix the tracks? How does this work if you are looking towards a stereo sound final product?

I reckon that seeing how much it costs to fix the H6 is probably worth a punt too.

Julian Richards

March 19, 2015 at 6:39PM

I haven't tried it, but I would assume you'd be set if you just add the 2nd audio recording to a 2nd track in your NLE of choice.

Brad Tennant

March 20, 2015 at 9:52PM

@Julian Richards
Just have each recording on its own mono track, clap to sync them all up to the DSLR, keyframing volume shouldn't be too much of a hassle when you mix, then just finish in stereo.

Really the only thing that should be stereo in your mix is the music. Just barely fade other mono tracks if you want it for the stereo, but not too much or it's distracting.

Jacob McKee

March 21, 2015 at 3:08AM

I have two of these and they work exactly as you described. I Can highly recommend them. There is an additional amount of +-$5 for the app on each phone but that's more than affordable compared to buying a Sennheiser wireless or equivalent.

Chris Geden

March 22, 2015 at 12:10PM

Can you put external batteries or something to that AKG system for making it portable?

March 21, 2015 at 2:37AM, Edited March 21, 2:37AM

5
Reply

Can you buy/borrow couple of recorders, something like Zoom H1, and lavalier microphones, and sync audio in post-production?

March 21, 2015 at 3:05AM

5
Reply

There are no professional wireless mic systems for less than $1000 each. Also it is impossible to record useable audio to a DSLR camera. Unless you use a real camera you need to record double system. The cheapest lavs that will give professional results are the sennheiser G3s they cost about $600 per channel and come with a crappy mic. To get professional results out of this cheap system you should also buy aftermarket lavaliere mics from Sanken countryman or DPA.
Please understand that you need to learn how to produce and come up with a budget.

March 21, 2015 at 5:02AM

0
Reply
Chris
13

Please understand that there are some countries where getting a budget is not possible, specially if you're just starting.

Henrique Prudêncio

March 21, 2015 at 9:04AM

Please ignore this idiot, he sounds like a spoiled rich brat who's used to playing with other people's money. Other people here are steering you in the right direction.

Ken Burgin

March 21, 2015 at 11:12AM

I think Rode, Beachtec, and Juicelink would disagree.

Madara

March 21, 2015 at 12:58PM

this is not true. shop around and experiment by borrowing or renting for a day. think things through and you'll be fine. ignore this foolish person's advice.

steven morris

March 21, 2015 at 4:16PM

Check out MicW. Works with iPhones. Ok quality.

March 21, 2015 at 5:34AM

0
Reply
Morten Lorentzen
Director
1

Have you considered getting a shotgun on a boom and a boom operator? Since you have the H6 already, he can check his levels and monitor his audio on his own and walk with them. If it is a steady shot, you can remove him in post, or frame it in a way he is not in the shot.

March 21, 2015 at 5:52AM

1
Reply

I've used with good results a cheap Audio-Technica lav connected to a Zoom H1 put in the pocket of the subject. Be aware that some H1s have a strange behavior with a low frequency woop woop woop weird audio noise, well known by Samson itself. I've had my H1 replaced with no cost by them.

March 21, 2015 at 6:04AM

0
Reply
avatar
Ugo Laurenti
Musician
104

You can try rode smartlavs Theatre about 70$ each. Or do as I did:I bought four Chinese Mics for a buck each on the Internet, you need an adapter to plug them into your iPhone (15). Now the problem with these is: they are decent Mics however without any sort of filter or anything they tend to saturate, so you have to do a few tries on positioning and levels before you start shooting. Once you start shooting you'll have no way of monitoring the sound so after the take before you send the actors home just listen to the takes. You know what they say you can have cheap, fast or good, pick two, this is a little slower but it's good and cheap.

March 21, 2015 at 9:04AM

2
Reply

Why exactly are you using lavs? I'm a professional sound mixer and director. On my films I properly light and frame my shots and have no need for lavs. On other peoples films they dont plan and do use lavs. Movies were made for 80 years without lavs and they do have their place but if you are on a budget you cannot afford them...

March 21, 2015 at 2:48PM

0
Reply
jay
13

Thanks for responses with an understanting of scarce budget conditions. Using Rode Smartlav with smartphone is a solution, not a great one but it may work a while we collect some money for a better set of transmitters.

@Chris, it seems you really don't understand what is going on in countries except yours. In my country (Turkey) an average wage is around $320 and I know many activists filming crappy videos on technical side but with a great impact on their focus groups, while still trying to live with that wage.

There are many countries have worse conditions than Turkey for budget issues and reaching to these gadgets, while filmmakers trying to shoot movies/documentaries for social change. Please watch the documentary '5 Broken Cameras', then re-consider your replies about 'decent audio'. Nobody cares the industry standard audio devices used or not in a documentary when the subject of the film is interviews about "people killed under police custody". This is not my subject as well, but I want you to understand the ninja filmmaking is not just for crappy short movies of high school students on Vimeo. I need transmitters for two persons to shoot them while talking and walking around the incident sites about subject of my film.

@Lennyciotti, I already bought 3 lavs made in china for a few dollars. I guess I must buy cheap or second hand sound recorders which have a average processor in it with mic input, or the smartphone solution above.

Again, thanks guys!

March 21, 2015 at 4:32PM

2
Reply

I think you have exactly the right attitude.

You know what's worse than having bad sound in your movie?

Not having any movie at all because you were too worried about gear to get out there and shoot!

Best of luck to you.

I'm in a similar situation, and I'm leaning towards abandoning wireless all together and just going with lavs plugged into field recorders that the actors will carry around in their back pockets.

kyleclements

March 21, 2015 at 9:47PM

I've got some older "professional quality" lav mics I don't use any more. I'd be happy to donate to you. How can I get them to you?
Mitch

Mitch Bird

March 22, 2015 at 2:11AM

I guess I replied to wrong post thread, saw later and cannot delete:

@Mitch Bird, it can be great for us, I would happily accept this. As a video activist collective we usually accept equipment donations or borrow from other people for using projects. It's better than asking for money for avoiding any kind of corruption and also speculations for our working style.
My email: vecihi.koparan@gmail.com
For our work, please see our video collective's page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KameraSokak

Guzel Marmara

March 24, 2015 at 6:41AM

Guzel, I applaud your desire to make a film, especially trying to bootstrap it and make it at the lowest cost with what you have. Some of the most impactful documentaries have been created with little budget and with found footage. Don't let people get you down, it is the vision and the story that makes it, not the studio quality sound.

My vote for you would be a couple portable audio recorders. I have had great success with the DR-50, including the built in mics, and I am sure there are even cheaper portable recorders available.

Please do share your final video with us. I'd welcome a look into a world that is different to my daily views.

Jonathan Goossen

March 24, 2015 at 3:00PM

Use a digital recorder for each artist in place of the wireless pack. I've done this lots and it works really well. Use two mics to increase the chances of getting good sound if one mic is compromised with clothing noise etc.

March 21, 2015 at 8:57PM

4
Reply

@Mitch Bird, it can be great for us, I would happily accept this. As a video activist collective we usually accept equipment donations or borrow from other people for using projects. It's better than asking for money for avoiding any kind of corruption and also speculations for our working style.

My email: vecihi.koparan@gmail.com
For our work, please see our video collective's page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KameraSokak

Guzel Marmara

March 22, 2015 at 3:00PM

Really cheap but in my opinion usable.
Dual Art Pre with Wireless V-Sound Microphone:
https://youtu.be/eF_vaN4Hq-I

March 26, 2015 at 3:47PM

0
Reply
Donald McPherson
hobbyist
191

We've actually been developing a solution just because of that frustration. We've called it AirLinc - allows you to just use iPhones as transmitters and receivers, all you need to do is grab some 3.5 mm lav mics. It's free for <30 sec recordings, and $10-20 (depending on country) for unlimited recordings. Check it out, may just be what you need: https://youtu.be/E6tFzDF29GE

April 22, 2015 at 2:34AM

0
Reply

Thanks for this info...

April 23, 2015 at 1:26AM, Edited April 23, 1:36AM

2
Reply
avatar
Lzzie
Advertising Manager
64

Your Comment