September 17, 2012

Canon Announces New Budget Full-Frame DSLR Camera, the 6D

Canon has joined Nikon, Panasonic, and Sony by announcing a brand new camera aimed at both the stills and video market, but this time, it replaces the camera that changed the entire market for good 4 years ago, the 5D Mark II. The Canon 6D is set to go head-to-head directly with Nikon's recently announced D600, but the only question is how well does it stack up, and does it have what it takes to move people away from their 5D Mark IIs? Here is the Canon introduction video:

Sample movie shot with the 6D:

The important specs:

  • 20.2MP Full-Frame (35.8 x 23.9 mm) CMOS Sensor
  • 3.0" Clear View High Resolution LCD
  • DIGIC 5+ Image Processor
  • ISO 100 – 25600 (Extended 50-102400)
  • ALL-I or IPB Compression (Similar to 5D Mark III)
  • 1920 x 1080: 30 fps, 24 fps, 25 fps // 1280 x 720: 60 fps, 50 fps
  • Built-In Wi-Fi and GPS Connectivity
  • Single Card Slot: SD/SDHC/SDXC
  • 11-Point AF with Center Cross-Type Point
  • 63-Zone Dual Layer Metering Sensor
  • Max Shutter Sync: 1/180 sec
  • 30 sec - 1/8000 sec shutter
  • Up to 4.5 Full Resolution FPS
  • 97% Viewfinder Coverage
  • AV Output, HDMI C (Mini), USB 2.0 (no uncompressed HDMI out)
  • Built-In HDR and Multiple Exposure Modes
  • LP-E6 Battery (Same as Mark II and Mark III)
  • 29:59 record limit per clip
  • Availability: October
  • Price: $2,100 Body Only, $2,900 with 24-105mm f/4

Here's a little bit from The Verge about video quality:

...the company told us that the video quality should be more in line with the 5D Mark II than the 5D Mark III. We asked Canon to clarify whether this means that the 6D skips lines when downsampling video...but we haven't heard back yet. Unfortunately, the camera lacks the ever-important headphone jack that the company finally introduced on the Mark III earlier this year.

We'll see what that means for image quality. The Mark III does not resolve nearly as much detail as a lot of the competitors, but it also does not suffer from aliasing and moire pattern. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like that will be the case here, and it's likely the camera will suffer from the same issues as the Canon 7D and the Mark II. Canon is certainly positioning the line in a very strategic way, and if you want true video quality, you'll have to move up to the C100, which will set you back $6,500. Now, certainly you could make very nice-looking video with this camera, just like the Mark II is capable of great results, but after 4 years, it seems the true video improvements have all gone to the higher-end cameras.

The omission of the headphone port is a very strange one. The camera seems to feature the same type of audio controls that the Mark III has, but without being able to actually hear the audio going into the camera, it's rather useless. Canon seems to be positioning it as a step-up from a Canon 7D, rather than a step down from a Mark III -- because in a lot of ways it's a huge step down -- except for high ISO performance, which should actually rival the higher-megapixel 5D Mark III. We'll see what the video quality is like, but it seems like it will be comparable to the Mark II (at least at lower ISOs), with the additions of the better compression. If you're a Canon APS-C DSLR user, and you're looking to move up, this is certainly the cheapest option.

WiFi integration and GPS tagging are definitely interesting features, and it's the first time a Canon camera has featured these internally right out of the box. These are more for the still photography side of the camera, so they aren't as important for video shooting -- though it's not clear whether we'll ever be able to monitor live-view using smart-phone app that uses the WiFi integration.

If you've got a lot of EF lenses, the video noise performance and compression formats may be a good enough upgrade -- especially if you're Mark II owner. If you don't own a camera right now, or you aren't tied to Canon, there are a lot of interesting options that are being released right now, and many of them may be better options if you're planning to use the camera for video only. The only hope now for many is that Canon will at some point release an even more budget-friendly C100 camera, to truly put a video camera in the hands of people who can only afford a camera like the 7D or the 6D. We'll just have to wait and see. You can pre-order the camera using the links below, and also check out a few more photos.

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[via Canon Rumors & The Verge & planet5D]

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109 Comments

Really strange to put a camera in between the 7D and the 5D, with no unique/redeeming qualities and an awful price. You can get a used mark II for 1500. Canon is on crack.

September 17, 2012

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john jeffreys

I agree. This is more or less the same camera that Canon has been giving us for the past 4 years, and yet they expect everyone using their APS-C cameras to jump ship just because this one is full frame? It's especially laughable considering what all of their competitors are doing right now. I seriously think that Canon is dead in the water, in terms of holding onto the budget filmmaker demographic, because they simply refuse to innovate.

September 17, 2012

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Robert

they are just so conservative with their DSLR offerings, and then if you want actual filmmaking features and design you have to drop at least 6.5k + on the C series (although, their leasing options are nice and democratizing, and something that nobody has really noticed). I get their strategy and THEIR logic behind that type of product line, but its vastly different from the philosophies behind blackmagic, red, et. al; either way, my next camera won't be a DSLR at all, thats for sure.

September 17, 2012

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john jeffreys

Leasing options? Seriously? What a novel idea for a product that has maybe a 2-3 year lifespan. It would be even better if you could lease something with an already good price/performance ratio; like an FS700.

September 17, 2012

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Actually B & H photo offers leasing on FS700 if you wanted to lease the camera

September 17, 2012

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Mark K.

Cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not.
Basically, you put a down payment in, and pay a few hundred per month for 36 months- at the end of the term, you keep the camera for 1 dollar.
Its pretty much like leasing a car. I'm sure most filmmakers would lease a nice camera than a car, right? I would. It puts high end gear into that hands of those who are in college or have a day job, can afford a few hundred per month but NOT 10k at one time.

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john jeffreys

No sarcasm here. I had never noticed that before. Not a bad option. I always thought it would be cool to set up a co-op timeshare on high end gear. You would need to have contracts and bonds and whatnot, but a small group of filmmakers in a particular area could have part-time access to gear that would otherwise be out of reach. But leasing is a less complicated option.

September 17, 2012

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Haha, they do that private jets. Something like 1200 dollars per month gets you 25 hours of flight time per year. Perhaps they can do that with high end cameras? Better than renting, thats for sure. Fractional camera ownership.

September 17, 2012

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john jeffreys

I'm not selling my 5dm2 to get this camera....

September 17, 2012

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No mention of uncompressed hdmi output? And the lack of the audio out is really a detractor.

September 17, 2012

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Dana

"No mention of uncompressed hdmi output?" Yeah, don't hold your breath on that one. With everything else that isn't on this thing, I can't imagine they would put that in this camera.

September 17, 2012

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David

I figured that would have been obvious from the exclusion of that feature on the Mark III, but I've added it above anyway.

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Joe Marine
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I JUST upgraded to 5D. It came in 1 week ago. Die, Canon, die.

September 17, 2012

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Adriana

that camera is the same exact thing.

September 17, 2012

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john jeffreys

Bro, you get CF card slot. Be happy... I don't even think as a "step up from a 7D" just for putting a SIGLE SD SLOT!... WTF! I have a 60D and my wife owns a D7000 and the ONLY thing that I always envy it's the dual SD ports and all the configs it could take. Canon's directive board (or whatever makes the decisions) drop dead dudes!

September 17, 2012

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Rafa Ga

Well, assuming you're referring to the Mk III, I hope you at least paid only $2750 from that Ebay deal a few days ago. Not the silly $3500 list price.

September 17, 2012

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Hummer

I don't see enough difference between the 7D and the 5D to be affected that much by it. It seems like a 7D with full frame and not much else.

September 17, 2012

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Miles L

What about higher bitrate? It gives you more detail and more data which is important for color grading.

September 17, 2012

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Matrox

Is that an SD card slot instead of a CF slot? If so, that's an odd decision if they are trying to coax 7D and Mark II users to buy the new one.

September 17, 2012

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David

Its definitely SD. Compact flash would most likely be too big for this 'mid size' DSLR

September 17, 2012

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Joe

why did they move the damn zoom button on both this and the mk 3

September 17, 2012

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aaron g

I agree. The location of the zoom button on the 5D II is absolutely perfect falling right under your thumb. My D800 has it all the way on the left side of the LCD, which is a worse location than even the 6D and 5D III.

September 17, 2012

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Markus

Excluding its Stills capabilities, so far, I see the "step up from a 7D" to be the BMCC. I wouldn't even be able to use my APS-C lenses on the 6D.

September 17, 2012

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Jeff

Ok, so there is a promotional video shot on 6D:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwqo91NsIZI

Personally, I didn't like the concept, but talking about the same camera - high ISO gives really nice image and could be one of the most important features.

September 17, 2012

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Matrox

This camera just seems to be a total waste of time.

September 17, 2012

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Robert

The apprentice has outdone the master. Thank you Canon for innovative DSLR video four years ago. Time to move on....

September 17, 2012

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Guanaco_264

This is very uninspiring. I can't think of anyone who would want to upgrade to this,

September 17, 2012

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Peter

The video looks terrible. It doesnt look filmic at all.

September 17, 2012

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Laurel

A note of caution for everyone who would also use the 6D for photography: According to PetaPixel, (http://bit.ly/SLs49p) the shutter sync speed is expected to be 1/180 -- which means if you're lighting with strobe/flash, you can't set the shutter speed to faster than 1/180. It's hard enough working with the 7D's 1/250 sync speed. At 1/180, using off-camera lights to kill bright, daytime ambient light is gonna be more trouble than it's worth.

That's a deal killer for me.

September 17, 2012

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Shawn

Thats bad news.

BTW, why this camera does not have an articulating LCD screen when cheaper DSLRs have it?

September 17, 2012

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Laurel

Yeah the specs list that, wasn't sure how big of a stat that was to most people, but I've added it in above.

September 17, 2012

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Joe Marine
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"A note of caution for everyone who would also use the 6D for photography: According to PetaPixel, (http://bit.ly/SLs49p) the shutter sync speed is expected to be 1/180 — which means if you’re lighting with strobe/flash, you can’t set the shutter speed to faster than 1/180. It’s hard enough working with the 7D’s 1/250 sync speed. At 1/180, using off-camera lights to kill bright, daytime ambient light is gonna be more trouble than it’s worth.

That’s a deal killer for me."

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If you're using strobe/flash, you can use HSS which supports 1/8000 speed. Nowadays, it's hard to find a flash that doesn't offer HSS. Shutter sync. speed limitation remains at an other area, do your research.

BTW, GH3's max sync. speed is 1/160.

The problem with

September 18, 2012

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TomTom

what the F are you doing Canon?
and what the F was that stupid promotional deep green video?

September 17, 2012

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Joe

I don't think anyone who has been shooting DSLR video will 'upgrade' to this, but it is a nice camera for those just getting into it. It's basically an improved MKII for $500 less. It's so hard to tell anything for promotional videos especially those using YouTube's awful compression (even at 720p it's blocky as hell), but there's something to be said for full frame and good performance in low light (I'm assuming). I think the GH3 is a much more interesting and affordable option. It seems that this camera is no intended for low budget filmmakers but instead for photography and casual travel videography.

September 17, 2012

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Marko

And with the C300 Canon has demonstrated that 'yes we still know how to make bad ass video cameras,' but it seems that they're drawing a clear line between photo and video and if you want their video you're going to have to pay for it. Not sure if it's the smartest move in the increasingly competitive market but I guess we'll see.

September 17, 2012

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Marko

I'm rather confused, someone please clarify. Is it worth buying this over the 5D MK II for video? The 5D has Magic Lantern. the 6D has...better compression method and slightly upgraded sensor? Is that the main differences for video?

September 17, 2012

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Samuel

Moire and alaising is most likely improved

September 17, 2012

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Joe

You should wait until this is released to see the results but I would definitely lean towards this over the MKII. First off the MKII is a four year old camera, and regardless of how much of an upgrade this is it is still and upgrade. Magic Lantern can be nice but really it's just a few bells and whistles and doesn't improve the image quality like the Panasonic hacks of the GH2. And when buying a camera the image quality should be your #1 concern. Plus I'm sure magic lantern will release their software for this one as well. If you're just now getting into DSLR video I would really suggest you look at the GH2 and the upcoming GH3.

September 17, 2012

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Marko

Well the 5D Mark II is most likely going to be discontinued, so if you want a new Canon full-frame camera, this one is going to be the only option. There will probably be a decent improvement in noise performance over the Mark II if that's something that you need.

September 17, 2012

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Joe Marine
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Thanks for the help, guys, and good job on the article Joe M.
Regarding the first Joe's comment, "Moire and alaising is most likely improved" , the article states otherwise.

"The Mark III does not resolve nearly as much detail as a lot of the competitors, but it also does not suffer from aliasing and moire pattern. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem like that will be the case here, and it’s likely the camera will suffer from the same issues as the Canon 7D and the Mark II. "

Interesting...lots of choices to consider these days. Which is not bad at all.

September 17, 2012

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Samuel

Ah that was a tricky sentence had to read it a couple times. I guess I just figured the moire and alaising would be improved..thought wrong. In my opinion I can't stand the moire of the mark II and sometimes there is nothing you can do about it...so I am overlooking this release and giving two poops about it.

September 17, 2012

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Joe

It's not 100% confirmed yet, without detailed video samples, but based on the comment from The Verge and the documentation not focusing on moire improvement, there is no question it won't be as good as the Mark III.

September 17, 2012

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Joe Marine
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And the Magic Lantern team seems pretty serious about supporting new models (even though they just NOW cracked the 7D) so ML for the 6D is very probable down the road.

September 18, 2012

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Yawn. Canon recycling the same crap...again...thinking somebody is gonna eat it up. Sad part is, somebody will.

September 17, 2012

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Johnny Unitas

It's the same old story

September 17, 2012

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Samuel

Would Technicolor's Cinestyle picture profile work with this camera?

September 17, 2012

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Laurel

Yes Laurel. Cinestyle is for Canon's EOS Cameras.

September 17, 2012

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Canon, you are truly missing the magic you started 4 years ago. You once accidentally stumbled upon a great business model providing a competitive priced DSLR camera with a quality FF sensor and the unique ability to record video with your great glass. You actually made your own video camera's obsolete but you started a movement.

We jumped through hoops to make the camera work because you opened the door to creativity, indie film-making and a unique aesthetic with an affordable price.

We soon grew to anticipate what you would do next. Perhaps you would give us a true next-generation product that capitalized on quality and fixed the many issues that hindered our film-making process. Of course we never thought you'd price it almost 8 times above the 5dmkII calling it the C300.

And then the actual Mark III came out SOFTER than the 5dmkII and much more expensive.

Your solution was to give us a 6d that is 4 years old technically speaking but with a fat price tag.

Canon, I've moved on. Thanks for the ride.

September 17, 2012

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Yep, that's just it, they "accidentally stumbled upon it then." They didn't know what they were doing then, and they're still clueless.

September 17, 2012

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Jeff

amen to that. ive switched to the fs100 and never looked back

September 17, 2012

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Mark K.

Camera releases aren't fun anymore :(

September 17, 2012

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ryan

They tax my creativity :P

September 17, 2012

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Aaron G

Canon is releasing junk, BMCC and Digital Bolex have been delayed (the former seems like indefinitely), and Fujifilm has officially stopped supporting motion pictures with filmstock.

The only good news in the past month has been Kodak's new Color Asset Protection Film 2332, which would be worth a writeup on this site.

September 17, 2012

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Do you mean "the latter," because I thought the Black Magic was shipping and in people's hands and being reviewed while the Digital Bolex is still basically vapor...

September 17, 2012

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trackofalljades

I suppose I mean both since DB is still in development (shipping November after they had delays pushing it back from August), and Blackmagic because they said "Should be shipping end of July" then "end of August". They've managed to get test cameras into reviewers' hands and announce an MFT version "shipping in December", but the original with Canon EF mount is still showing up as pre-order on many sites.

September 17, 2012

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I personally am seriously considering buying a 6D. I currently own a 7D and more than anything else I've never been as happy with the stills with the APS-C cameras I've owned, compared to my full-frame film SLR. That alone might make this worth getting for me. I'm not really losing anything in terms of video capability compared to my 7D and the improved video codec options are are a plus.

Sure, it's not as good as the 5D MkIII but I can't afford a 5D MkIII and damnit, I want to shoot full-frame.

September 17, 2012

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You could just wait two months for Canon to release another model at half the price with few improvements. That seems to be the current trend.

September 17, 2012

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well said....this will be the Canon to get if all you need is video....Everyone is forgetting that this has the same All-I codec as the 5d mkIII so the video has to be great. Listen , they've put a FF sensor in a small body for much cheaper than its bigger brothers.....that deserves some applause and less hatred.....whatch how this body flies off the shelves compared to any other Canon...

September 17, 2012

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Carlos

Yes, the improved codec that outputs to the same lousy ~700 lines of resolution. Not to mention they've stripped the headphone out, so you're back to the old secondary audio system.

September 17, 2012

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Hummer

If only it had the flip out screen like my 60Ds, this camera would be near perfect for video purposes.

September 18, 2012

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Mike

Hey guys,

Here's my two cents: While it's certainly a decent camera and would indeed be fine for someone just starting out -and with very generous parents- in filmmaking, I feel as an upgrade to the aps-c line that most of us are accustomed to, it's pretty lame.

I'd use it if it's what I had, but I'm not selling my 60D for it anytime soon. There are WAY better options than Canon at this price range.

September 17, 2012

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Kevin

More interested in a99 vs gh3 at the moment. Articulated screen would have been a smart addition to this.

September 17, 2012

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Matt

I would add Nikon D600 to the mix at the same price that the 6d but with 422 hdmi output and super dr.

September 17, 2012

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danyyyel

Looks like all the cards are on the table, coming at about the same time: BM, Canon, Panasonic, Nikon, Olympus, Sony, Sony, and Sony. I wonder who missed the party.

Can we all make some videos before the next round?

September 17, 2012

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antelope_1080

What camera would you buy? Canon 6D or Nikon D600?

September 17, 2012

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Laurel

From what I have sen the D600. If someone does not have a ton of Canon glass there is no comparison. So no $ 10 headphone jack in a $ 2100 camera in 2012. Lets not forget the uncompressed 422 hdmi output of the D600. At least you have the impression that Nikon is dedicated to improve its model and not cripple them to protect some C100/C300 camera line.

September 18, 2012

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Danyyyel

Isn't it improbable the d600 and BMCC competitors that we're seeing (6d\c100) weren't built over the last weeks\months - Is it just me or did Canon simply wait until the competition showed up in order to release something new in their line-up ? Canon seems to have kept them in the shelves so they wouldn't cannibalize their higher-priced offerings (5dmk3\c300). What a company, they didn't even try to pretend to keep up with any kind of innovation - they're just throwing models out there now to compete.

Clearly they learnt nothing from Steve Jobs : If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone will.

September 17, 2012

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Can't believe there aren't more negative comments.
Canon can suck a bag of dicks.

September 17, 2012

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JOHN H

You haters are just so narrow minded.
The world of photography does not revolve around film makers.
They do not care much about any minor group of people, no matter how passionate they are.
It's all about the business end of things. In other worlds, profit.
6D has two words general consumers want to hear -- "full frame" and "Canon" -- that's all that is needed for many consumers to buy this camera at a "reasonable" price.
Of course, it doesn't make sense for techies like us, but the public, in general, are ignorant. Most likely, it will make money, and that's all it matters to Canon.
Like so many things out there, the best isn't always popular, and what is popular is often crap.

September 17, 2012

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this is a film website. if you are a photographer, please feel free to leave. the door is right over there *points*
the world of photography actually DOES revolve around filmmakers. film is an evolved form of photography. take a series of photos (like a guy getting punched in the face), multiply it by 24x per second, and you get a movie. which one describes the subject and "tells the story" more effectively and efficiently? Photos can be cool and pretty in their own way, but almost everybody who is artistic in the 21st century starts out taking pictures and ends up making films.
Also, this is not really a consumer camera.

September 17, 2012

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john jeffreys

"which one describes the subject and “tells the story” more effectively and efficiently?"

A photo. One frame to tell a story is more effective and efficient than hundreds of thousands. That should seem obvious mathematically.
With that said, I think the antagonism coming from both Bill and you is unnecessary. Photographers and filmmakers are both artists and shouldn't be arguing about which medium is lesser or more relevant. Let's try not to let negativity get out of hand and stay civil with each other.
Also, Bill makes a good point. In terms of business, Canon is being conservative while still making a good marketing strategy to many consumers.

September 17, 2012

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Samuel

Did you not just contribute to the "which medium is lesser" argument by stating that a photo tells a story better?

September 17, 2012

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You're right, it sounds like that, but not what I intended. Sorry for the confusion. John asked a question he thought was rhetorical, and I played devils advocate with a possible counter-argument. (For reference, I'm a film major.) To clarify, I don't actually believe either photo or video is a right answer...I find the question flawed.

September 17, 2012

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Samuel

He is right, though. On both accounts.

I'm a film director, btw.

September 17, 2012

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Daniel

What's up with ppl saying something like "this is a film website. if you are a photographer, please feel free to leave."

Apply that silly logic to the very site where you're posting such comment.
'This is a film website, why are we reviewing a stills camera? please feel free to leave."

September 17, 2012

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TomTom

Leica makes stills cameras, and even they now have video. These are hybrid cameras - once you put a mic port on the camera it's also intended for video use.

September 17, 2012

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Joe Marine
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I've never bought the argument that if it sells, then it must be good and critics of a product that is under-specified versus the competition just "don't understand business". A new company offering such a product in today's extremely competitive camera market wouldn't last long. Because it's Canon they can get away with it. But if you think Canon still photographers are happy with a FF camera with only 97% VF coverage and 1 cross-type AF point, you haven't visited any of the dedicated Canon forums where this model has been met with an overwhelming amount of negative criticism.

I shoot Nikon so I really have no interest in this camera, but the differing approaches of Nikon and Canon to an "affordable" FF DSLR are most striking.

September 17, 2012

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Markus

You should go to dpreview Canon to see how this camera is being received. Threats upon threats criticizing the 6d. In fact it even started before, when people where questioning the 5dmark3 pricing against what many feel is a more appropriate competitor, the d600. The D800 being considered at another level. Now just look at the Nikon forum and the difference.

September 18, 2012

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Danyyyel

I do agree with you. There seems to be quite a lot of negativity I've noticed surrounded by the 6D amongst the professional market. Such as criticism about the removal of the audio output. Now I understand that for many professional who are looking for a camera they can make money from (i.e a piece of a equipment that can be used for their business) this feature would be and important one, and also perhaps the inclusion of an HD-SDI port.

But really? A significant factor present in the commercial film industry is "time". We're all being paid for our time as professionals, and if we can't monitor our audio and the audio screws up, we have problem! and we don't necessarily have the time to fix it! It's not that lacking the ability to monitor audio makes poor quality audio, it's simply a feature that is more-so important to the professional filmmakers who to THEM.. it's just a business, and they're being paid for their time.

I want this camera so that I can film quality shorts at an affordable price, with (to me) what appears to be an attractive camera! I want professional video quality, (at an affordable price) for myself. It's not necessary for me to have all the fancy-smancy features that comes with a camera that is used by filmmakers who make a profit.

September 26, 2012

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Nick

I can't wait till we get some test video footage comparing the D600 to the 6D.

September 17, 2012

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moebius22

Yeah I feel you

September 17, 2012

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Samuel

In the second video above, am I the only one who felt bad for the little sea turtle? Couldn't they pick it up, and put it in the water?

Anyway, is it me, or does the video look slightly soft?

September 17, 2012

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Markus

best thing to do is always to leave nature alone, lil' turtles normally come out of the egg from under the sand and take the long walk to the sea, that's just marvelous nature....

September 24, 2012

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Roberto M

In my imagination.

Canon President: O.K. people I've called a meeting over the weekend of all the department heads for a very important meeting.

Marketing head: What's that?

Canon President: Sony, Panny, Black Magic are all developing cameras that put our once mighty 5d to shame.

Engineering Dept: Why don't we make something better? We have the capability.

Canon President: Because that goes against our corporate modo. Tell him Marketing!

Marketing Dept: Yes, our job is to stifle the industry and recycle our old technology into new packaging then hit the blogs with hype and create a frenzy during someone else's release date.

Canon President: Well, that is true Marketing but try and add some nice adjectives next time.

Engineering Dept: OH? In that case why don't we just drop a full frame sensor into a smaller cheaper body and give it a new name?

Canon President: Can it be put together by this Monday?

Engineering Dept: Sure can.

Marketing Dept: Doesn't have to be put together by Monday. We can just announce it and then bring it out in two or three months.

Canon President: Oh, good do that.

September 17, 2012

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David

best short of the day

September 21, 2012

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Jules

Its a nice camera, i wouldn't buy it. Why didn't they put any audio output so you could hear while you record like the mark3?

September 18, 2012

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Pablo

So you would still buy the Mark III.

September 18, 2012

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moebius22

So I may have not seen the answer to which one to buy for a good Video first photos second new Camera. Nikon D600, GH3, D6- or none and wait for something better in this 1300 to 2500 price range?

September 18, 2012

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Ryan Farner

Canon is spoon feeding us imaging technology. NO HEADPH0NE PORT???? In two generation the Black Magic Camera will be the Indie Filmmaker camera and Canon will have piss away a market that they started.
Good luck with the Wedding Photogs...

September 18, 2012

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Jim Daugherty

To be quite honest with all of you, a) Yes the 6D sucks and b) Canon is doing us all a favor.

At the end of the day, you want to spend the $6500 on the C100 and skip all the DSLR nonsense. Yes DSLR video was revolutionary 4 years ago but it's done now. The C100 has the best of both worlds and once you're done rigging out a DSLR so you can just do basic work (preamps, NDs, run-n-gun etc.) you are already close to the $6500, and yet you won't match the IQ, RS, none of it. You will get full frame and better stills with the 6D, but if that is important spend the extra $800 odd on the 5D3 which you are going to want about a month after getting the 6D.

I don't think people are too poor to afford a better camera really, if they're doing this at all. I think it's an issue of self-worth...people are afraid it would be pretentious to have professional gear for their cinematic or photographic ideas. Well why don't you deserve it? Just tell yourself you do deserve the best things to work with, and cut the nonsense. The right camera will serve you for years and the right lenses will serve you for decades. Say no to toys, and yes to doing things right the first time.

What you will have trouble affording is constantly doing things wrong by looking for fool's bargains. These products are all at the start of their lifecycles and will be current for a good while.

September 18, 2012

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Peter

David - hilarious! I dont get this rig!

September 18, 2012

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Any word on if will have video autofocus like the T4i?

September 18, 2012

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Mike Hendzel

I wonder if Canon will do a firmware update on the 5DIII for 1080p 60fps and peaking... As for price point it should finally shut up a hell of a lot of whingers complaining about the 5DIII price... Canon have listened.. Now back to telling my 5DIII and GH2 that I won't sell them ;-)

September 18, 2012

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[•] InFrame

Line skipping in 2012? What a freaking joke. I'm on the Sony FS700 train anyways, so no big deal. Probably pick up a GH3 as a back up. I hope someone makes a Metabones style adapter for Panny. Canon is done for filmmakers. The C100 is just too overpriced as is the C300 for what you get.

September 18, 2012

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This video puts me to sleep cause it is too long and one of the most boring music i ever heard. Its my first time sleeping on a camera promotional video.

September 18, 2012

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Donald F.

I wish more people would realize what this camera is truly used for more than anything. It's a stills camera. Yes, it would be great to have a headphone output on a VIDEO CAMERA. DSLR's are great for photography and video but do realize the market these cameras are aimed at, are for photographers with the hopes of pulling in some videographers also. Sometimes things have to be sacrificed to keep the cost at a certain market value. As a Director of Photography, I'm not worried about the in camera audio anyways. The audio I care about is the audio we pay our Sound Engineer and Boom Operator for. That's the sound I'm worried about.

I'm excited to see and hear more about this camera, cause I may be making another investment. So far I'm in the whole on a brand new Blackmagic Cinema Camera for filmmaking, a GH3 cause of the price alone, and I'll probably be selling the 60D and T2i I don't use anymore for the 6D as a B-Cam to my 5DMKIII on weddings and event shoots.

September 18, 2012

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And another thing... I'm pretty sure SESCOM makes a cable that will allow you to monitor your sound through the AV OUT DIGITAL if you really needed to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ccgAghUROg

September 18, 2012

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But the competition had headphone jacks, so your reasoning doesn't wash.

September 18, 2012

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moebius22

Do you honestly think Canon is competing with Nikon? I'm sorry but nooo.... They're not. Nikon is just now getting to where Canon was 4 years ago. They may put a few things on their product here and there that entice people to buy over Canon, but anyone who is a true Canon fan... are going to stick with Canon. Who in their right mind would actually go, you know what... Canon doesn't have a headphone port so I'm switching to Nikon, and at the same time, I have to buy all new lenses and gear to suit the new Nikon. Nooo.... Canon is better in low light, we've proved it already and Nikon is just now catching up to the game. You reasoning for choosing a camera based on the competitors headphone jack doesn't wash up!

September 18, 2012

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"You reasoning for choosing a camera based on the competitors headphone jack doesn’t wash up!"

When did I say this?

September 18, 2012

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moebius22

You put words in my mouth over a jack and then completely ignore the Nikon's other features like uncompressed HDMI.

September 18, 2012

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moebius22

Yes, of course Canon competes directly with Nikon. Why would you make such a ridiculous statement to the contrary?

September 19, 2012

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Hummer

Man, you live in what world. In photo world the Nikon have been beating the Canon since 2007 with the Nikon d3 and d300 followed by the D2x. Now they have given another two way punch with the d800 and d600. Dont belive me go to Dpreview Canon forum to see the outrage about Canon offering against Nikon. Still not convince go to Dxomark to see the Nikon d600 (second best behind d800 on all camera tested against even the 5d3).

Now in video the one or two thing you are referring to Nikon are huge. One example is true uncompressed 422 hdmi out. Add a $ 300 hyperdeck shuttle and you can have dnxhd 220 mbit intra frame recording in 422. Add a $ 1000 Ninja and you can record as above and get a monitor with peaking, false color, waveform etc. or buy a Pix 220 which will give you the recording and monitor plus sound devices hollywood standard preamps for recording sound. All this small thing like this that your beloved Canon company does not give you to protect it cinema line of Camcorder.

September 19, 2012

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danyyyel

I like canon I own one I am both a photographer and cinematographer though Im newer to the latter. So where is it written in stone which is more worthy and why should I leave the room there should not be any such bickering in here be open minded what I see people complaining about make me think I walked into some kids playground fight so just stop and chill now on this new camera when is canon going to give us 60p with 1080p definition even their most expensive cameras(DSLR'S) still lack this basic feature. thats the only negative thing I have to say grow up you malcontents and focus on the art.

September 20, 2012

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Gary Simmons

There should be a way to flag people, warn them and ban them if they violate the last Amendment.
Discuss but dont start arguments.

September 20, 2012

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Sanjay

When is black magic going to make a good stills camera.... hurr derp!!

September 20, 2012

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Ian

"The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low price has faded from memory." (Aldo Gucci)
"The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten."
(Henry Royce)

As a doc producer who co-owns a c300 and hires great DPs, may I remind the forum that rentals are smart solutions to filmmakers who plan well.

September 20, 2012

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Tim Rockwood

Damn...I wish Canon, as well as Sony and Nikon for that matter, would stop making so many products.

The general argument seems to be, "but we have so many choices now"...we can have something custom tailored to each of us...to every need, to every price point...

...but it's complicated, both for the manufacturer to the sellers, as well as the customer.

If anyone's read that bio of Steve Jobs, when he came back to apple...basically there were WAY too many different computers...it makes inventory a difficult issue, and cameras are now in the same boat...with Moore's law, with constant updates and evolving technology (where you don't just throw in Kodak or Fuji's latest stock to your decade old camera)...it's a muddled mess.

Jobs slashed most of it and decided to just have 4 computers. A pro desktop, a consumer desktop. A pro laptop, a consumer laptop. The mess the Mac pro has become has been more of a AJ (After Jobs) issue.

There are plenty of individual little differences between features of all of Sony/Nikon/Canon's cameras...but fundamentally, what people need isn't addressed by those differences...instead buyers have to sift through the myriad of different features to see what they can live with or without.

September 28, 2012

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Daniel Mimura

Okay so first of all it does do anti aliasing/moire. It says so on the website. Second, once you add a sharpen filter in post (like the 5D Mark iii) the detail shines out greatly, it does this because of he anti aliasing. So you end up with a clear wonderful video. Third...who records audio to the camera? Most film makers record audio to an external device (The zoom H4N is great) so from a film makers point of view and from the things I stated its a wonderful camera for the price for video perhaps not for photography., It should be better video than the 7D and 5D Mark ii in line thth the 5D Mark iii. If you do get this, shoot in i frames and add a sharpening filter in post.

November 8, 2012

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Adam Harper