May 28, 2013

RAW Video DSLR Comparison: Canon 50D vs. Canon 5D Mark II

It is absolutely incredible how far the Magic Lantern RAW video hack has come in such a short amount of time. Not only is it getting more stable every day, but they've managed to get a camera that never shot video at all -- the Canon 50D -- giving us beautiful RAW video. If you've been looking for a cheaper used camera to play around with RAW video (or you happen to have one of these sitting around), the Canon 50D and the full-frame Canon 5D Mark II are both great options (and both are from 2008), but how do they compare against each other?

Julian over on the Magic Lantern forum has been posting some of his video tests with the 50D, here is a new comparison with the Mark II, with some notes from Julian about the test:

1. Flickering in 50D footage is caused by turning off exposure simulation in camera
2. Same 50mm f/1.4 Nikkor on both camera's. Changed distance to object with 50D to compensate for cropfactor.
3. The 5D Mark II was set at iso 6400 for f/16 and 100 for f/2.8, 50D should have used about the same values, but it was calculating them.
4. The first shots (5D and 5DII) both are brightened + 1 stop in ACR. No oder edits, only tried to match white balance.

Settings:

Canon EOS 50D @ 1592x720p (max width)
Canon EOS 5D Mark II @ 1880x840p (max width)

DNG's processed in ACR. No sharpening, no luma noise reduction (color 25, default setting).
Exported as JPG, imported in Premiere as Image Sequence.

First shots show original crops. After that the same shots upsized to 1920p and the same shots with Sharpen filter added (value 20).

I actually noticed a bit more moire in the black on the chair, but it seems like the 50D would intercut very well with the 5D Mark II based on this test. It seems to be a bit of trial and error to get the 50D recording correctly and the files importing correctly in post, but if you've got one around, it's a heck of a still to now be able to record high-quality RAW video. While I'm sure 50Ds will be going up in price over the next few days/weeks, there should be plenty of Mark IIs around at reasonable prices.

If you missed them, here are his original videos (the anamorphic one has some stuttering based on post conversion, it looked fine in the camera):

Another sample from the 50D:

You can find some sample DNGs in the link below from the 50D if you'd like to see the quality for yourself (instead of watching compressed on Vimeo).

How many of you were lucky enough to snag a used 50D on eBay -- or maybe you already owned one? What do you think of the RAW quality so far?

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27 Comments

Not really a fan of the ML RAW on the 5D MkII - recording at 1880x840 results in a lot of dropped frames after about 5 seconds of recording using Komputerbay 1000x cards. Images look great, but I don't like losing frames. And 1280x720 just doesn't do it for me.

I know it's still early... let them play with the code some more and maybe find a more stable workflow before I use the 5D in RAW mode for any real project.

May 28, 2013

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you sure it's not your card? have you tested others?

May 29, 2013

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Chris

Just tried it with my San Disk 60 MB/s card - had similar issues with dropped frames. Could very well be the cards aren't fast enough - but it also be the buffer can't handle it. I don't know, I'm not a camera expert code expect :P

May 30, 2013

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Could be your card, I record raw video on Komputerbay and lexar 1000x cards without any dropped frames. I actually think they've updated it as well!

June 16, 2013

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If this works for the 50D, would it also work with the original 5D?

Either way, incredible what those magicians are doing at ML!!

May 28, 2013

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Trifilmer

I hope some day to reord at least 1550*600 in my t3i, with lose any frame for many minutes. Until there i will just watching videos... and waiting for Blackmagic pocket camera.

May 28, 2013

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Nelson

On the 50D, is there anyway to use a Picture Style at the same time that you are shooting RAW (CineStyle, Vision...)?

And is 1592x720p the most the camera + card will handle on this hack?

I'd apprecite a swift response if possible, if anyone is well informed, I'm looking to use one of these over a BMCC for an upcoming project in a couple of weeks!

Cheers!!!

D.

May 29, 2013

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Diego

I would use the Blackmagic, the firmware is far from done.

May 29, 2013

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Joe Marine
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If you're using raw for client based work, I'd use BMCC. The Magic Lantern Raw video hack is essentially experimental code. Brilliant potential, but it's not quite ready for robust production, IMO.

May 29, 2013

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Jerome

No, picture styles do not work with RAW but there is no need for picture styles because RAW is neutral.

Things you need to know about using 50D RAW are:

1. 4GB file limit, that means 1592x720p at 24fps is about 1 minute and 15 second seconds max record time

2. The framerate is 24fps not ATSC 23.976

3. There will be NO reference audio

4. Needs a CF card capable of a sustained write speed of 48.2 MB/s for 1592x720p

5. You need to turn all overlays off (even native Canon overlays), keep liveview exposure simulation on and set photo mode to jpeg only

It's still the best price option for "playing" with RAW footage (5D2 cost about 3x more for similar results, t2i/t3i/60D are limited to 20 MB/s card speeds and 7D won't allow access to these RAW files yet) however BMCC is a better tool for RAW footage acquisitions.

May 29, 2013

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These hacks are amazing, but I wouldn't show up for a paid gig using a hacked camera.

May 29, 2013

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peter

I wouldn't be afraid of shooting RAW for doc stuff. If you have experimented extensively already on your cam/card setup AND it's ok to just shoot the good ol boring H264 1080p if all hell breaks loose then I wouldn't worry.

May 29, 2013

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I would hate this for ENG/Documentary shooting, note the 4GB(1 minute) file limit. I think this is better for Controlled Environment shooting, with marks and retakes; when capturing real life it's usually better to keep rolling until something happens.

May 29, 2013

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P337

Isn't RAW generally overkill for ENG?

May 29, 2013

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fiftybob

Yes. RAW is hardly ever used for ENG and "reality"-style shows.

Hell, I shot SEMA last year w/ a Sony FS700 and a very flat picture style (lots of shiny objects in low light). Later, I was told to "just make it look good in camera" because they didn't usually have time to grade footage.

May 29, 2013

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How long records the Canon 5D Mark III and II in a RAW mode?

May 29, 2013

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Rafael

It seems like a lot of hassle to go through to for 1:15 burst of RAW video, but if I had one sitting around, I definitely give it a go. I'd buy a used GH2 or a new BMPCC instead of paying the recently jacked up prices (over $350) for a 50D with no audio.

May 29, 2013

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Marc B

No joke - people now have 50D's listed for $700-900 on Ebay. How stupid do you have to be to buy one at that price?

May 29, 2013

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Hummer

Geez, BMPC will be out in a month for 1K

May 29, 2013

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fiftybob

UPDATE!!!

An experimental build just popped up on the Magic Lantern forum that allows over 4GB file spanning (new file started automatically I think) Has been tested to 10GB so far (3 minute recording)

May 29, 2013

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P337

UPDATE!!!

An experimental build just popped up on the Magic Lantern forum for the 50D that allows over 4GB file spanning (new file started automatically I think) Has been tested to 10GB so far (3 minute recording)

May 29, 2013

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P337

Confirmed. I just tested the feature too.

May 30, 2013

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But for file spanning do you know how to get the footage from the over spanned files?? I recorded over three minutes and only got the first 4500 frames to work with RAWmagic. Please help.

July 12, 2013

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These video examples are great, but can we be spared the thumping dance music that only distracts from our visual concentration? Why every video seen now must include a logo with some type of dance music is beyond me. We just want to see the video!!!

May 30, 2013

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Sam Kanter

When are we gonna have this,RAW, in other brand cameras: NIkon D800 should be amazing!!! GH2 and 3 also!!!

Come on, please!!!

May 30, 2013

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Matías

I bought a Canon 50d of Craigslist $375 and it was brand new never used before~! All the cords were still wrapped up, and hadn't even had the twisty ties taken off. So I am absolutely stoked to have gotten this camera at such a steal. Looking forward to becoming an overnight cinematographer lol.

September 12, 2013

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New Pentax DSLR (K3) is announced with RAW video output :
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.ht...

Movie (resolution/FPS):
Full HD (1920x1080, 60i/50i/30p/25p/24p)
HD (1280x720, 60p/50p/30p/25p/24p)
Quality levels: *** Best, ** Better, * Good, RAW (14-bit)

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Arn