May 12, 2013

Canon 5D Mark III is Now Shooting RAW Video at 24FPS

Canon 5D Mark III Official Photos and SpecsThe team at Magic Lantern has been able to do some amazing things with Canon's cameras. Late last month, we learned it was possible to get a burst of RAW still images from the camera without the shutter moving at reduced resolutions -- which yielded more resolution and dynamic range. Some people working with ML were confident we could get RAW video at usable frame rates (since they were only getting 5-15fps at best) with these images at some point as long as the cards were fast enough, and now that has become a reality: the Canon 5D Mark III is a RAW-shooting video camera. Click through for the first video samples.

Here is user lourenco in the Magic Lantern forum on recording RAW video with the Mark III (thanks to Luke Neumann for mentioning this -- he's be working with the team for some time now):

I did a quick test in Raw mode. I wanted to see how much higher I could do above 720p. I tried 1928x850 and 1928x902. I think it was 902. 902 the buffer would fill up and video stops after 700 frames or so.  At 850 I am able to get continuous recordings. 

The best I am able to obtain in Raw mode right now is continues 1928x850 at 24fps. I plan to crop the video to 1920x817 to do 2.35:1 wide screen aspect ratio, which is about 1920x817. The video will have black bars on top and bottom to output at 1920x1080.

And later:

At that aspect ratio I can record continuous at 24fps. It helps to have a 5d Mark III with CF 1000x card. DNG files take awhile to process on my computer in AE. Yes, the settings were the same. when I was recording i-frame, I used Technicolor CineStyle.

Here is a sample video recorded at 1920 x 820, with the original files coming in at about 3MB per frame. Top is RAW, bottom is H.264 ALL-I recording with the Cinestyle profile -- both with the Canon 5D Mark III:

Well, it happened. A lot more development needs to go into these firmware updates before they are rock solid and ready for deployment, but right now, with 1000X speed cards, it's possible to record slightly lower than 1080p at 24fps in RAW mode, which can then be cropped to a 2.35:1 aspect ratio.

To say this is one of the bigger breakthroughs with the Magic Lantern firmware would be an understatement. The difference between the RAW video mode and the regular H.264 files is massive. There is more dynamic range and more resolution -- and certainly much more flexibility in post. As far as other cameras, we will have to wait and see if any are capable of reaching 24fps, but right now, we do now it's possible with the Mark III, and the camera can record continuously.

There is much more information to come over the next few days and weeks, so stay tuned as Magic Lantern and the entire team continue their breakthroughs.

Link: Uncompressed YUV422 and 14-bit RAW video recording -- Magic Lantern Forum

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Interesting. Look forward to seeing better examples.

May 12, 2013

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marklondon

Wow! I don't think it's practical - but by-gosh it is jaw dropping.

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Jer

It's as practical as shooting Raw on any other camera.

May 12, 2013

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Hmmm, not really? R3D's, for example, have a much more easier and proven postproduction path.

That said, this a a massive advance. We owe a Mark III and I'm really looking forward to trying this. How's rolling shutter? In early tests it was strangely strong.

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The production path is not all that different from the BMCC. The ability to use Lightroom to process the image is a huge plus for the DNG route, albiet cumbersome.

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I guess I can hold onto my 5D a little longer.

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Caleb

Looks like, I'm going to go ahead and order 5D Mark III soon

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They just need a live view option to show what the footage will look like after the crop so framing is correct.

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Caleb

Well, that's already build into Magic Lantern quite a while now :)

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RAW is obviously only to be used under certain situations, but when he says continuous, how usable would it be on a full shoot? That's a lot of data - would there be overheating problems after a certain amount of shooting time?

May 12, 2013

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Ok

It looks like shit.

Straight up. A for valiant effort but in the end in a perfect natural lighting situation, it looks like shit.

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Antonio Pantoja

Why are you saying that? The improvement is massive dude, look at the video, "raw vs H.264 cinestyle (not neutral, so more dynamic range)", the raw still kills the H.264 footage. It is a huge huge improvement, our 5d3 are becoming real cameras, thanks the ML team..
And Merry Christmas all..

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NMendes

i don't think too much stock should be placed into an arbitrarily filmed clip. i truly believe that in carefully considered applications, this breakthrough is pretty neat, and will really put filmmakers in a better position to make some not-shit looking things!

in the end, it's yet another opportunity for filmmakers to get more flexibility out of the cameras they already have (in this context, the 5diii), and another consideration for those that don't, and are thinking about the 5d iii as an option. magic lantern's hard work here affords two opportunities:

1) to offer filmmakers an additional tool so that they may better control their images - one that was not presently there - and one that adds value to the camera at (this is important) no extra cost!

2) to offer fodder for armchair critics to react dismissively and knowingly, because like, the firmware they're working so diligently on, and for everyone to benefit from for free, is better. like, way better. so much better.

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DD

It looks like a RAW still (well, not exactly, but pretty close). There are lots of beautiful stills taken with this camera, and there are lots that look like crap.
I'm pretty sure I can make very beautiful pictures with this. YMMV.

May 12, 2013

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Meanwhile, still looking forward to the first footage from the BMCC 4k for $4k.......

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Gene

Well go to a BMCC post.....

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Kendrick

Which one has footage?

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Gene

Does it record Audio while recording RAW video ??? If not it ll be Extremely painful to sync audio in the post ....

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Raj

It does not record audio with this RAW video mode, no.

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Blah

Syncing audio in post isn't painful at all. Most of the time you would be chopping it out to fix it then bringing it back in and syncing it back up. Either that or you're not good at editing.

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Tyler

Then just get a slate :) they are quite handy.

May 12, 2013

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slates are a pain in the ass too for this guy probably... lazy youtuber

May 12, 2013

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Kenzo

Finally it's a reality! Thanks to awesome guys from Magic Lantern!

May 12, 2013

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Ruslan Randzhabar

The halo around the dog makes it look like some crappy HDR image and is very distracting and unnatural. The noise isn't very flattering either.

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Dave

How the DNG was processed wasn't specified. It could be an over-aggressive local contrast applied via Adobe Camera Raw or Lightroom's Clarity slider. I highly doubt that the halo is baked into the raw image.

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agreed. but if you have worked with raw photos before, you will know that there's quite a few sliders to move. If you don't do it properly it can look pretty bad, if you're doing it well, it can look brilliant. More option = more ways to fuck up. RAW isn't for everyone, you have to know how to work with it and what look you want to achieve. Same goes for HDR by the way.

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Haiggoh

This is ridiculously exciting! Period.
Will I shoot all day on RAW now? probably not. But for many occasions, TONS of b-roll where my shots are 5-20 seconds in length in documentary settings and beauty shots can constantly be blown out, this is gonna be a life saver and give us AWESOME footage that we would otherwise not have been able to capture.

I'm like a kid the night before a Disney Land trip!

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I'm impressed with the mad hacking the Gibson skillz this demonstrates, but have to agree with a few others than the image looks pretty ratty beyond the dynamic range increase. The halo, over sharpened look, and what appears to be some floaty rolling shutter something going on during camera movement? Maybe it's just my eyes. And someone mentioned there's no audio recording which, oh man let's definitely not use this for shot with dialog because that would be a pain. But yes, it's amazing what a group of people can do to further demonstrate that Canon loves to cripple all their released hardware to keep you moving up the price bracket.

Should also be said, about $20 of ND gel tapped to the door would manage the blown out exterior with the regular Mk3....or any camera for that matter. Or bring up the ambient light in the room? At some point people need to realize you still need lighting and grips regardless of camera. SMH.

May 12, 2013

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Right, this is certainly a complete waist of time for anyone with a grip department, thousands of watts and 25+ square foot of ND gel to play with, it is pretty exciting for all the other people living in the real world though...

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videos aren't showing up

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John Austin

So does the buffer never fill up if you use 1000x cards ? Or does it stop recording after 15 seconds or a minute ? I couldn't quite understand from the post whether that's 100% fixed and the recording times are now unlimited or not.

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The buffer does not fill up, that's correct, but I think he's having issues with creating multiple files. Still very early with this.

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Joe Marine
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There is a strange halo around the dog in the RAW video as well as some really weird rippling going on in the grass. It's almost like a weird rolling shutter effect or horrible image stabilization distortion. The dynamic range of the shot looks cool. But there's just something else about it that looks off.

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Nathan

Good, I'm not the only one seeing that. I know that the halo is often a side effect of selective colour correction (feathered masks to bring up/down specific points of an image) so I'm kinda hoping it's that or else who knows what kind of annoying artifacts that issue could create.

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Tyler

It almost looks unrealistic, it looks as if the interior and exterior were captured separately in order to capture a higher dynamic range.The interior and exterior beyond the sliding door appear to be disconnected in movement. Strange.

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Paul Rodes

Read Haiggoh's comment and you understand why.

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Jay

It kinda looks like there's mosquito netting or flyscreen on the window/door.

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Curtis

The weird rippling is due to interference from the mesh screen door he's shooting through. If you look closely, you'll see that the rippling is bounded by the view through the door.

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Steve

Anyone know if it will be available for the 5D mark 2??

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Michael

The raw image looks much better of course. The technological aspect of this is very interesting indeed,....but at 3 megabytes per frame, a 64 GB 1000x CF card will fill up in about 15 minutes. That's why it's best to use a system like the the blackmagic cinema camera with a 500+ GB SSD.

How practical it will be to have to carry loads of 1000x CF card is to be seen. 1000x CF cards aren't exactly cheap either, they are significantly more expensive per GB than SSD's. (a factor 4 to 5 I believe)

Erwin

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Erwin (Netherlands)

Agreed.

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vincegortho

So, correct me if I am wrong, but I did the math and came to the conclusion that a 64 gig card will get about 6 hours of video ar 3 mb a sec
1 gig = 1024 mb 64gb = 65536 mb(1sec/3mb) = 21845.3sec(1min/60sec) = 364min(1hour/60min) = 6.068 hours Quick look shows a 64 gig 1000x card can be had for $300 $50 an hour? For RAW video. This seems like the kind of thing that is cool for people that already own a mkiii, but if you are in the market for a RAW camera it does not make sense.

May 12, 2013

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No no, its 3MB per FRAME not second. So you are off by a factor of 24.

May 12, 2013

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hahaha, yes. That is what I was missing, I knew there was something wrong. That is why you dont get out of bed and do math before breakfast.

May 12, 2013

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1 frame = 3mb so 1 minute is 4.32 gb.... one hour is 259 gb. That's 4 64gb cards per hour at least.

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wushu

Nice content choice...

Raw - the dog showing us his face

h.264 - the dog's rear-end

Says it all :)

May 12, 2013

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My Mark3 used to overheat too often when shooting shortfilms under hot conditions .
Shooting Raw seems like it might make this worse. And no Audio?
Interesting. But I'll just play it safe for production.

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vincegortho

Why cannot this be done via HDMI out?

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Judge

Raw sensor data cannot be output via HDMI. It's only after processing that data that an image is created.

May 12, 2013

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Why not buy a sony a99?

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