May 31, 2017
cinegear 2017

Canon C200 Offers Internal Raw for $7500

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Canon works to address the major complaint about its platform—the price premium—with the C200, offering internal 4K raw at $7500.

The new Canon C200, available for pre order next Monday, fills in a hole in the Canon Cinema line between the entry level C100 and the C300mkII, with a price point under $7500. However, in some ways, the new camera—which uses the same sensor as the C300mkII and the top of the line C700—outperforms its older sibling, the C300. This is specifically true in terms of its internal raw recording options, and by being the first Canon cinema camera to have dual pixel auto focus.

In some ways, the new camera outperforms its older sibling, the C300.

While autofocus has dominated in stills for decades, filmmakers have traditionally gone out with focus pullers, since the type of images filmmakers capture generally overwhelm auto focus tools. Nothing is worse than seeing the auto focus drift in and out, or correct itself, in the middle of a shot. In the last few years, however, autofocus is getting more sophisticated, and many users find the dual pixel auto focus used in Canon's high end still cameras to be the best option out there. With the C200, that functionality now comes to a fully fledged cinema camera. Combined with a 4" OLED touch screen viewfinder that allows you to touch for focus, plus face detection, auto focus will now be a highly useable tool for interviews and gimbal work in a way it has never been before.

Credit: Canon
The other premiere feature is internal raw, using Canon's new Cinema Raw Light format. As opposed to the internal raw of the C700, which is Cinema Raw, the light flavor uses variable bit rates to keep file sizes down. Even with this compression, the file sizes are still large, with a 128GB CFast card only holding around 15 minutes of 4K raw media. While hard drive and SSD prices stay where they are, the raw option isn't likely to be the main function of the camera, but it will be a great feature to turn on for the occasional commercial or narrative gig where intense color grading will be required.

Credit: Canon

While the camera requires CFast for that internal 4K raw, it's capable of a whole host of other formats on the two internal SD card slots, primarily built on H.264 MP4 files, but with 4K data rates of 150mpbs. XF-AVC wlll be available in a future firmware update. One particularly nice feature is the ability to shoot simultaneous raw to the CFast cards and proxy files to the SD slot, for faster turnaround into post.

Credit: Canon

Of course, Blackmagic has long offered internal raw via Cinema DNG recording at very reasonable prices, but they don't have the marketshare of Canon yet. While the URSA Mini Pro comes in at slightly less than the C200, it requires larger broadcast batteries while the C200 uses the less expensive BP-A batteries which, combined with other accessories mean the package prices will come out roughly the same. The URSA Mini Pro also doesn't have Canon's dual pixel auto focus. When you look at this camera's main competitors from another manufacturer with big camera market share, namely the FS5 and FS7 from Sony, neither of those cameras offer raw internal recording, and neither handle color reproduction as well as Canon does. With the C200, it's the combination of internal raw with dual pixel auto focus that makes it an exciting package.

Canon will have the C200 available for evaluation at Cine Gear this weekend, and several of our writers will be there. We hope to see you on the Paramount lot! Between the FS7 Mark II, the C200, and the soon-to-be-announced camera from Panasonic that has to be in the same price point to stay under the Varicam LT price, the under-$10K camera market is heating up.

Preorders start Monday at B&H for $7499.

Tech Specs:

  • Internal 4K recording with Cinema RAW Light and MP4 format
  • Continuous 120fps (maximum) High Frame Rate with no cropping at Full HD
  • Up to 15-stops dynamic range (Cinema RAW Light)
  • Super 35mm CMOS Sensor
  • Dual Pixel CMOS AF Technology
  • Dual DIGIC DV 6 Processors
  • 4K DCI and UHD, 1920 x 1080
  • 59.94p, 50p, 29.97p, 25p, 24p, 23.98p
  • Canon RAW Light, MP4, MP4 Proxy
  • Integrated EVF, 2 x XLR Audio Inputs
  • Rotating 4" LCD Monitor, Camera Grip
  • 1 x CFast Card, 2 x SD Card Slots
  • 1 x SDI Output, 1 x Ethernet Connector

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The first with DAP?
Were you asleep?
They even released a firmware update for C100mk1 to give it dual pixel autofocus years ago.
If the C700 hasn't got a touch screen yet, the C200 is the first where you can use the touch screen to control DAP.

I've been using DAP on C100/300mk1 and mk2 for years now.

May 31, 2017 at 11:29AM, Edited May 31, 11:30AM

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WalterBrokx
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This camera seems to outperform the c300mii in certain ways...4k 60p raw lite in 10 bit, 4k raw lite in 12 bit, 120 in HD with no crop, with that nice sensor...I'm confused. Wonder if they'll do any firmware upgrades to the c300mii in some of these areas.
I'm a VariCam LT owner but I always thought the c300mii/c700 sensor was a heck of an image, really beautiful colors.

May 31, 2017 at 11:59AM

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Ben Meredith
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Just as the C300 mkii out performs the C500 in some ways. I think Canon's lineup is less linear than other companies and they are probably doing this for intentional, interior reasons that they don't publicize.

In any event, every Canon C-series seems to win because of its effortlessly beautiful images and usability more than its specs.

May 31, 2017 at 12:21PM

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C Bowden
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Hello Ben! I am c300mkii owner and I was thinking about switching to the varicam lt due to the superior image quality and highlight roll off on the varicam sensor.
What's your experience or opinion between these two cameras?
Do you consider the varicam more filmic/ cinematic than c300mkii?

June 4, 2017 at 11:12PM

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Hello Juan! They both have really amazing images. In my tests of the two, I found the VariCam a little more pleasing and filmic, especially with highlights. The 60p option in 4k is nice, too, and prores codecs, etc. - it's just a more feature heavy camera.
However the c300mii sensor is really beautiful. I love the colors and form factor. Kind of a toss up! I think you can pair either camera with proper lighting and get incredible images out of them. VariCam to my eye is slightly more 'filmic' or organic I should say.

June 12, 2017 at 6:34PM

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Ben Meredith
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Canon finally gets the message on frame rates. It only took a decade.

May 31, 2017 at 1:17PM, Edited May 31, 1:26PM

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Derek Doublin
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Humm..ok first Raw Lite...ie: it's compressed....Raw by definition is uncompressed, and at that 15 minutes before a card change? and 4k at 150 mbps (they had a typo) is certainly not 10bit, and this won't even be available until the end of the year.... another confusing offering from Canon. Le Sigh

May 31, 2017 at 1:26PM

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B&H's specs show a 4k bit rate of 1 Gbps at 12 bit up to 29.97P and 10 bit at 59.94P. 150 Mbps is in reference to UHD 8 bit MP4.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340800-REG/canon_2215c002_eos_c2...

May 31, 2017 at 1:59PM, Edited May 31, 1:59PM

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Jamie
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So by this rationale, no Red camera shoots true "raw" as every flavor of r3d files is compressed. Compression is not a bad thing, it creates manageable file sizes that otherwise would send storage costs through the roof. I would always shoot 4:1 compression on an Ursa Mini as you cannot tell the difference between the compressed and the uncompressed that comes out of the camera. Raw truly means nothing is baked in. It is not in an RGB color space so things like white balance can be changed after the fact.

I feel that Canon did miss the mark by not putting more compressed versions of the raw on this camera. 1 GBPS is going to create really large files that are simply not necessary for extensive color grading. I also feel they missed the mark by eventually putting xf-avc at only 8 bit on this camera. For the price of this camera, the XF-AVC should be 10 bit.

May 31, 2017 at 2:34PM, Edited May 31, 2:34PM

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Brad Jones
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Exactly what I was going to say Brad.. Video raw is often compressed and thank goodness.

May 31, 2017 at 4:44PM

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rory
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Its not 1 GBPS it's 1Gbps Giga bits per second. Roughly 128 MBps

May 31, 2017 at 7:23PM, Edited May 31, 7:25PM

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Canon crippled the MP4 bitrates and didn't put a decent 10 bit 4:2:2 codec on this camera (or a more compressed RAW for that matter) for fear of cannibalizing the C300 MK II. It's incredibly annoying. The Canon C200 is the better camera. In fact, it's the best cinema camera they've ever created, but it has been intentionallly neutrered in order to keep the C300 II relevant. What we effectively have here is a great camera that can't shoot broadcast ready footage without moving to an unruly and sizeable RAW workflow. I mean, in HD it has the same bitrate that the Sony EX1 had... 11 YEARS AGO. In 4k it has the same bitrate and color space as the tiny camera on the latest Phantom drone or Sony's a7s cameras.

Looking back, there really shouldn't be a C200. The C200 is the camera the Canon C300 Mk II should have been all along (but with the C300's codecs). Now we've got this mess where the C300 Mk II is crippled with its frame rates and the C200 is crippled with its codecs. The C300 has timecode and the better color space/bitrates/codecs, and the C200 has the better form factor, uncropped overcranking, touch screen and RAW. If they had been put together we'd have the best cinema camera on the market. But they weren't. And now Canon has made their lineup a frustrating mess. I'd say a C400 is in the cards to bring the C300 MK II up to speed.

June 1, 2017 at 11:54AM, Edited June 1, 12:05PM

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Derek Doublin
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My thoughts exactly. Really disappointed.

June 3, 2017 at 12:32AM, Edited June 3, 12:32AM

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Michael Johnson
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In this price range the lowest should be 4:2:2 10 bit.

June 3, 2017 at 12:33AM

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Michael Johnson
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Not to complain too much but are they being a little cagey in their phrasing re: internal stabilisation? The c200 doesnt have it, right?

May 31, 2017 at 1:39PM

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J Robbins
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no 10 bit 4:2:2?

June 1, 2017 at 3:38AM

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Logan Fish
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I think the most important thing is that it weights only around 1.5kg. Pretty sure a lot of people will buy it instead of Ursa Mini Pro, because it's really light.

June 1, 2017 at 4:59AM

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Andy Tokarski
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Man...I'm truly agonising over this. Shooting with a C100 mkii for the past two years has been nothing but a pleasure. I rarely get bummed at 8bit 4.2.0 because it's just not that often I have to push things outside of it's capabilities because it's easy to expose properly, good in low light and has beautiful colours. But the odd sky, yes, it suddenly falls apart and it's irritating. That's about 5% of the time though.

So the fact that this will do the same, but in 4k, with bells and whistles like the amazing autofocus. Then...should I need to work on a high end production, or even just beauty shots, I have RAW built in and available...I mean it's kind of tempting.

But holy balls. Why not even 10bit 422 in 1080? Very frustrating.

I've currently no intention of putting up with a camera I don't want (I won't name them) so I'm sat on the fence once again, just as I was with the C300 mkii. If the new Panasonic Varicam delivers...if...

June 1, 2017 at 2:35PM, Edited June 1, 2:35PM

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Liam Martin
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I'm right there with you. I've been waiting for this camera to come out. Our C100 MKIIs still shoot great video, and maybe they'll lower the price on them even more.

June 5, 2017 at 1:01PM

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I was hoping for 10 bit 4:2:2 internal recording, it's not asking much.

June 4, 2017 at 11:49AM

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Considering the lack of 10 bit 422 in this camera, I really can't see why I would buy it over another C100 MKII. I don't realistically need RAW. It's a "nice to have" for my kind of work. 422 would have been awesome! That new Panasonic looks pretty nice. Or, maybe Canon will come up with a firmware upgrade later this year that includes 422. Like someone else said, Le Sigh...

June 5, 2017 at 12:57PM

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they say its only 13-stops of dynamic range.. on what source your information is based on saying its 15?

http://www.studiodaily.com/2017/05/201705canon-announces-eos-c200-camera...

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/products/details/camer...

June 19, 2017 at 4:50PM

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