April 24, 2013

First Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera Footage Released, Same Look as the BMCC in a Smaller Package

Blackmagic announced two cameras at NAB 2013, but on the floor at the show, much of the buzz was not about the 4K camera, but actually the smaller Pocket Camera. Truly a first of its kind, the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera with its Super 16mm-sized sensor will be recording ProRes and RAW 1080p footage in a package about the size of most mirrorless cameras, all for $1,000. I got to play around with both cameras a bit, but it's always nicer to see a camera outside of the NAB show floor and really get a sense of what it's capable of. John Brawley, who has worked closely with Blackmagic to develop their cameras, has posted the first footage from the Pocket Cinema Camera.

[Update]: John has made the footage embeddable now, here it is:

Here is a little bit about how he shot the footage using the Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8 Micro 4/3 lens:

All this footage was shot using the FILM look. I set my exposure by ETTR and using the 100% zebra to indicate clipping. I had IS on all the time. I had a Hoya ND16 on as well to keep me at a slightly nicer stop. I set the rear monitor to VIDEO and then used focus peaking all the time.

I cut the footage using FCPx and used my colleague Captain Hook for the grade. He's made some fantastic LUT's for Resolve as donation-ware to make grading BMCC footage even easier. I encourage those of you who work with BMCC footage to check out these great LUT's. There's some great before and after examples there as well.

I've taken some screenshots as the video is not embeddable, but head on over to his blog to watch the video (click for larger versions):

Dynamic range looks stellar, and from my testing with the camera at the show, rolling shutter should actually be slightly better. I think this will cut nicely with the current Cinema Camera, and it should provide much of the same image quality -- just in a smaller package. I was a little nervous by some strange motion artifacts I had noticed on the monitors at NAB, but this footage definitely alleviated those worries.

I'm most excited by this camera because there is nothing else in this class that has taken such an uncompromising approach to image quality. 10-bit ProRes Log and 13 stops of dynamic range is unheard of anywhere near this price. This is definitely a camera you're going to want to grab and go, so the native Micro 4/3 mount with Image Stabilization support will help with the fact that the sensor is on the smaller side and many people will probably be handholding this camera.

From what I am told, the Pocket Cinema Camera is using similar sensor technology to the original 2.5K Cinema Camera. That means with the exception of the smaller sensor size (2.88 crop compared to full-frame) and lower resolution (Super 16mm 1920 x 1080 vs. ~Micro 4/3 2432 x 1366), all other attributes should be similar, like color rendition and dynamic range. This does mean that the resolution of this camera will make it slightly softer than the 2.5K camera -- how much is unclear right now until we can test it -- but I'm confident it won't be any worse than the best DSLRs or mirrorless cameras.

According to Brawley, we will be getting more footage before the camera is released, so there is definitely more to look forward to, but if you'd like to pre-order, you can find the link below.

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Hmmm, wish the footage wasn't so overexposed, made it hard to figure out the actual dynamic range.

I wonder if it would be possible to shoot log-c?

April 24, 2013 at 5:29AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Lumberjacksatan

Yeah something screwed up in the upload. new version is uploading right now.

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April 24, 2013 at 5:32AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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John Brawley

Ah, I see. I'll check for the new tonight.

April 24, 2013 at 10:30AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Gene

Footage looks great John. I'm quite excited by this camera, not only for low profile pickup shots, but also as a motion/action cam. The rolling shutter looks manageable and better then the gopros by far. The S16 equivalent sensor size with a nice small lightweight wide prime should provide for great depth of field. Think about that for a second. light weight, solid DR, deep DOF and camera grade matching friendly. Instead of the more costly and physical requirements needed to stabilize a bulky RED/Sony/Etc big boy camera, the pocket cinecam can be stabilized with much less physical effort and cost... and if it breaks it's not anywhere near as bad as a bolt snapping off a rig and an Epic flying off onto the cold hard concrete or off a cliff. The size itself is brilliant for fitting into tight places if you don't happen to have the option of knocking down a wall or building a set for a shot.... as well as being easily portable for getting shots from heights/locations normally outside of the scope of practical reasoning. Can't wait to see more footage John and thanks for your efforts. Joe, thanks for sharing.

April 24, 2013 at 7:45PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Dan

As the matter of fact, I think most people will be worried about their wide lenses more than the camera if it ever slipped off their hands!

April 24, 2013 at 7:58PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Bmpc + adaptor could act as a lens cup on a film set :)

April 26, 2013 at 9:14AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Bonizzo

Is it possible to put Canon Lenses on this baby?

April 24, 2013 at 5:33AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Andy Kaczé

Yes, you'll need an EF to MFT adapter. Most of them are mechanical adapters, there are a few electronic ones like the Birger, MTF, and Redrock Live Lens, but this camera will probably be much happier with lenses made for a smaller format like MFT.

April 24, 2013 at 5:44AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Joe Marine
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Has anyone ever asked them about the possibility of the pocket camera with a different mount? Kind of came out of nowhere when they announced MFT BMCC so it's got to be a possibility.

Worth thinking about cost with this as pocket camera + ef adapter (most people are going to be after speedbooster I would of thought) takes you close enough to the Cinema Camera to consider just getting that one. Seeing as the SDHC's are less cost effective than the SSD's. If your a Canon user maybe it would be better to go with that, if size isn't a factor in purchasing?

April 24, 2013 at 6:20AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Chris Lambert

It's a Super16 size sensor, the m4/3 mount was probably the best choice outside of C mount. And I imagine the only reason they picked m4/3 mount to begin with was its adaptability and the fact that plenty of people already have m4/3 glass.

April 25, 2013 at 4:24PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Jake

Since we commented about this on the BMCC update post, I wanted to mention how glad I am that after debayering and all that the BMPC still looks this sharp! Much better than the 5D MkIII-like detail predictions if you ask me!

April 24, 2013 at 1:11PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Wait, did Birger actually come out with their EF to MFT adapter? I hadn't heard anything from them on that front in a while and a quick look at their website shows that it hasn't been updated in over a year...

April 24, 2013 at 10:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Blah

I am still confused about the EF vs MFT Mount discussions. Can I use my EF lenses (mostly fully manual vintage glass) on the MFT mount with an adapter and what are the setbacks (if there are any)?

April 24, 2013 at 5:34AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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AlexV

Yes, you can use

April 24, 2013 at 5:41AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Setbacks: EF lenses have their aperture controlled electronically, and many adapters are "dumb" adapters that cannot control the aperture. Electronic adapters tend to be much more expensive then dumb adapters. You will need to be sure to read up which adapter you choose.

Also, the sensor size means that there is a multiplier effect on your lens length. So a 30mm lens will have an equivalent field of view as a (30x2.88) 86.4mm lens on a full frame camera.

April 24, 2013 at 9:18AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Michael H

What Michael H.'s said. But if you have manual vintage lenses (or new manual ones like Samyangs) then you'll be alright with mechanical adapter (just a piece of metal carefully manufactured to place the lens at the right distance).
And then there's the (much more expensive) option of electronic adapters for modern Canon lenses, which are more expensive, although the only option I would go for (as long as you can wait for it) will be the Speed Booster.

April 24, 2013 at 10:39AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Is there a cropfactor for the lenses on this camera?
/C

April 24, 2013 at 5:36AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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From what I've written above:

"That means with the exception of the smaller sensor size (2.88 crop compared to full-frame)"

April 24, 2013 at 5:38AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Joe Marine
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Are you 100% sure? When I was trying to figure out the crop factor, I used real sensor diagonal to calculate it. My result was 3.03 (however I am not sure at all ;-). I would like to know 100% correct value..

April 25, 2013 at 3:51AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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PeterK

The Pocket Camera is 12.48mm x 7.02mm, full frame is 36mm for all the Canon cameras (slightly less for at least the Nikon D800).

36mm / 12.48mm = 2.88461538

I'll probably just starting referring to it as 2.9. I think a lot of people feel like there is some strange dark magic involved in calculating this, but most of these calculations are very simple.

April 25, 2013 at 4:31AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Joe Marine
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Now I kow where I made my mistake ;-) I used ff diagonal not cropped to 16:9 for my calculation. Thanks.

April 25, 2013 at 10:25AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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PeterK

Nice! The size of this camera a magic arm hanging off the top of a BMCC could be a wicked combo for a close up angle in interviews

April 24, 2013 at 5:44AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Chris Lambert

Great idea

April 24, 2013 at 12:22PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Peter Kelly

I wish it had 60fps... What about manual audio, what is the crop and does it take stills? :) If the coming footage is convincing Im really tempted to buy it..

April 24, 2013 at 6:23AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Carlos

Not sure about audio, but there is definitely no ability to take stills beyond 1920x1080.

April 24, 2013 at 8:43AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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David S.

Just curious, what do you use 60fps for? there are still not enough frames for real slow motion unless you bend over backwards shooting at abnormal shutter speeds and using software like twixtor... if you really need slow motion, rent a camera that shoots at least 240 fps or more...

April 24, 2013 at 6:55PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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60fps isn't good enough for basic slow motion? Sure, you can get slower motion with a FS700 or Phantom or RED, but stretching footage out 2.5x with 60fps can do plenty.

April 25, 2013 at 2:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Damn, just saw you already mentioned the crop. So 2.88 means there will be no really super wide lenses -.-

April 24, 2013 at 6:26AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Carlos

Well, since the mount is a smart mount, there are a bunch of Micro 4/3 lenses that originally wouldn't have worked on the BMCC. There will be wide options, but yeah, I'm not sure there is an equivalent to a 14mm lens on full-frame, for example. Speed Booster would make for a lesser crop (2X), but I don't think that really helps the situation for wides since you're limited to lenses made for APS-C or full-frame.

April 24, 2013 at 6:39AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Joe Marine
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I thought Speedbooster only works with full-frame lenses? If it works with APS-C lenses, the Tokina 11-16mm + Speedbooster combo would be really nice

April 24, 2013 at 8:26AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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The existing speed booster does, I heard the upcoming EF - MF3 is supposed to support EFs lenses...

April 24, 2013 at 12:34PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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9.5mm t1.3 super 16 pl mount zeiss superspeed mk2 a warhorse on my old Arri SR3 will be a beast on this camera...

April 24, 2013 at 10:41AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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JBV

And it can certainly rip your wallet apart like the beast it is! But oh so lovely lens, indeed.

April 24, 2013 at 10:45AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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The way I see it, the best way to get (fast!) wides for this camera is to use a c-mount adaptor. There are loads of fast wide c-mount lenses out there for cheap.

April 24, 2013 at 7:49AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Luke

My exact thoughts. You can get some killer glass in C-mount for dirt cheap.

April 24, 2013 at 4:43PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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keith

there iis some good info on compatible lenses here: http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/2513-pocket-cinema-camera-c-mount-co...

April 24, 2013 at 6:57PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Planning on using my SLR Magic 12mm f1.6 on this - m43 lens that's wide/fast and only about $500. One of my favorite lenses to use on the GH2, and I'm sure it'll just sing on this guy.

April 24, 2013 at 9:49AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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It's a S16 sized sensor, and there are tons of wide S16 lenses.

April 24, 2013 at 10:47AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Gabe

12mm will equate to roughly 35mm compared to a full frame so not super wide, but hey I can live with that given the image quality. You could go with the Pany 7-14mm f4.0-f5.6, the short end being a little more than 20mm, though not the fastest indoors and won't take your typically screw on ND for outdoors.

I'm sure with the increasing popularity of m43 we'll start to see wider/faster options coming available.

April 24, 2013 at 10:57AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Scott

For ultra-wide, 7-14mm will probably be a decent choice too. I wonder how wide new MFT glass might get?

And the crop factor is definitely a factor on this camera (and more pronounced than the GH2), I've found that the 12mm is plenty wide - but it's only a 2x crop. I'll see once the camera ships.

April 24, 2013 at 11:24AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Yeah 12mm on my gh3 (2x crop) is wide enough for me 95% of the time. For soaring landscapes it'd be nice to have a wider option but I could always rent a MkIII if the situation called for it.

April 24, 2013 at 12:15PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Scott

i'm sold! anyone wants to buy my mkIII?
;)

April 24, 2013 at 6:42AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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There's going to be a lot of Mark III's on eBay. :)

April 24, 2013 at 9:42AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Razor

I dont know much about the pocket but wont you need to power a lens adaptor some how to use ef lenses, I feel like thats a deal breaker for the canon crowd.

April 24, 2013 at 1:48PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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ryan

How long does it take before the sensor heat becomes an issue and you have to turn camera off? Or is that not a problem?

April 24, 2013 at 7:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Emric

So far it's not a problem. The camera is designed to shoot video.

jb

April 24, 2013 at 10:03AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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John Brawley

Love it, BMD better make millions of this gem.
Using Canon DSLR on it is a waste of both.
There are plenty of better lenses for this camera at better prices.

April 24, 2013 at 8:38AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Tulio

Going to be my travel camera :)

April 24, 2013 at 9:14AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Exactly.

April 24, 2013 at 1:03PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Hi there NFS (this is my first post on one of my fave blogs!),

Can anyone predict the low light capabilities with the BMPC, as compared to let's say a GH3? The GH3's low light performance leaves something to be desired and I was hoping to get another camera to supplement its weakness (the matching MFT mounts is a plus!).

Will the low light be significantly better on the smaller sensor BMPC or would I have to get one of the full production BMCCs to really see a difference?

Thanks for your input!

April 24, 2013 at 9:45AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Anri

I think we'll have to wait and see on low light for this one since it's a new sensor, but if the original is any indication, low light should be pretty decent (all things considered).

This mini-doc was shot on the original BMCC http://vimeo.com/55217018, and the behind-the-scenes was also shot on the BMCC http://vimeo.com/56082897

Personally, I'm thinking I might grab a GH3 after it drops in price - it has better low light and dynamic range than the GH2, and the 1080/60p might make it a decent b-camera for the BMPCC.

April 24, 2013 at 11:36AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Can anyone explain to me how such high bit rates can be recorded to an SD card? I feel like I'm missing something...

April 24, 2013 at 9:52AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Ben Corwin

You have to use high speed cards, like SanDisk Extreme 45MB/s. I can shoot 176Mbps VBR intra on that card with no problems, and just to be sure you can also get the 95MB/s version of that card. They're also getting faster, bigger and cheaper by the minute!

April 24, 2013 at 10:48AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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April 24, 2013 at 12:00PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Razor

Okay. I get it now. bits vs. Bytes, 8 bits to a Byte. ProRes HQ is 220 Mb/s (bits since it's a lower case "b") which means a SD card with a 95 MB/s write speed (Bytes since it's a capital "B") is capable of 760 Mb/s. I wonder what bit rate the lossless CinemaDNG is. Anyone know?

April 24, 2013 at 12:02PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Ben Corwin

Fastest SanDisk writes at 90MB/s. At 24 fps one frame max possible size is 3.75MB. Therefore the compressed CinemaDNG frame must be lower than that. It could be possible. Uncompressed (and higher res) BMCC frame is around 5MB I think. But with 90MB/s card it seems right on the edge of possible..

April 25, 2013 at 4:04AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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PeterK

Do you think they'll ship as efficiently as they did with the BMCC? And as journalists, don't you think you should note the risk involved in giving them your $$$ and maybe getting your camera in 30-40 years (if you're lucky)? It seems you guys are shamelessly shilling for BM.

April 24, 2013 at 10:04AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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John B.

bingo.

April 24, 2013 at 10:20AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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sjk

You're meaning me as a journalist ?

I'm a working cinematographer that consults for BMD. I'm not an employee though I am a friend.

I'd say to you, order when there's a camera in stock on the shelf that you can take away on the spot. No one has to pre-order. Dealers are the ones that take pre-orders, not BMD.

jb

April 24, 2013 at 10:22AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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John Brawley

I've preordered and I haven't had to pay a cent. Now that may be different from the retailers in your area, but I'm happy to sit on that waiting list and see how they go. If you've followed any of the coverage of the original camera the hold up was sensor availability -- that's nothing Blackmagic could control, and anyone who have lost their patience can vote with their wallet and cancel their order. If by risk you mean waiting for a camera you've ordered to start production on a project, then perhaps you should make contingencies for equipment availability in pre-production.

April 24, 2013 at 10:30AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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jhnkng

I have a preorder but I haven't paid a cent. Blackmagic has discussed at length their shipping troubles with the BMCC and changing sensor suppliers so they can hit their ship dates.

I hope I get a camera this July. If I have to wait, so be it. So far as NFS is concerned, it's a tool that's created a ton of buzz and is absolutely newsworthy, especially if it concerns the first-released footage. NFS has also covered, at length, shipping delays on the original camera and how Blackmagic's adjustments to meet demand this time around.

Let us also split hairs and point out that this is a blog and not the Associated Press.

April 24, 2013 at 10:32AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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I have more confidence in the 4K camera being shipped on time and being more available than the pocket camera. IF the assumed sensor is the CMOSIS CMV 12000 in new 4K camera (see EOSHD website) ... then that specific sensor has already been in proven production for 12 months. I could see BM shipping the 4K camera sooner than July 25th. IF the pocket camera is using an S16 sensor from the first BMCC manufacturer, then the question will be if that manufacturer will be able to keep up with the much heavier volume of the pocket camera..?

April 24, 2013 at 5:20PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Razor

No, John -- not you, this site. I am also a journalist and in recent days, I have talked to major vendors such as B&H, who tell me they have given up on any assurance of when BM will ship BMCCs so they can catch up on back orders. "They have lied to us so many times now that we don't have any idea when we'll be able to ship cameras," B&H told me. My sense is that BM -- based largely on your help -- developed an incredible product that then got bungled badly in the delivery phase. And that was my point about this site. They just go on and on about BM without ever reporting the obvious down side as a caution.

April 24, 2013 at 10:27AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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John B.

It's an issue of distribution. While BH still have preorders, I beleive Ardoma seem to have periods when they have the camera in stock.

It depends on WHEN and for HOW MANY cameras each dealer placed as to the order they get their cameras. It's fair from that point of view, but it seems skewed to the customers because it creates the impression of inequity.

Let's imagine Ardoma ordered 1000 cams on launch day and so does B&H.

B&H sell 700 preorders and Ardoma sell preorders to 100 customers.

BMD supply cameras to each of them at the same rate.

Ardoma deliver all their preorders and then have STOCK of new cameras while b&H still have customers that preordered.

It's fair because BMD are supplying the DEALERS who ordered based on the order and size of the order, but customers THINK they're being shafted. You just need to know which dealer to go with.

jb

April 24, 2013 at 10:34AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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John Brawley

Perfectly explained. I can also tell you that certain dealers have ordered A LOT of both new models.

April 24, 2013 at 1:02PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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marklondon

John: There's much truth in that. But the fact remains that BM failed miserably in their distribution of a product that created incredible buzz and anticipation (and demand) based on the merits of the PRODUCT, which you helped develop and which represented a game-changing technical breakthrough for low-budget filmmakers. Now, it seems (and many BMCC buyers have posted elsewhere), it seems they have cannibalized their own customer base by announcing the 4K production camera, while countless BMCC buyers who made deposits eons ago are still waiting... It remains to be seen whether BM will ship the two new models on time, as promised, in July. If they do, then they should be fine. But if they fail again, I think you'll see a company in rapid decline, because credibility and customer service are critical to success in ANY market.

April 24, 2013 at 10:50AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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John B.

It has already been said twice in this conversation thread alone (once by jhnkng and gain by Joe Filipas) that the problem with the original BMCC was that the company supplying sensors to BMD had issues delivering. This was the cause of the shipping delays. As John Brawley stated this problem was exacerbated by companies taking large amounts of pre-orders. Vendors such as B&H probably should have been more conservative with the amount of pre-orders they accepted, but probably didn't out of fear that consumers would pledge their business to another vendor had they not. All of this has been said yet you ignore it and continue to make these comments. I would call them ignorant comments but ignorance would simply imply a lack of knowledge, however, you now know better so that would be something different altogether.

April 24, 2013 at 11:13AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Andrew C.

The 4k camera in no way "cannibalizes" their customer base. What is that even supposed to mean? Eons ago?
For a 'journalist" you sure make some pretty wild and exaggerated statements.

The original BMCC had unreal specs at an unreal price, then hit a major production snag which was covered EXTENSIVELY by this site. Many many people have received their cameras, especially those who had a pre-order going back the thousands of years you describe. Some new cameras at a different price point don't hurt their customers at all, if they give someone an amazing product at an amazing price, and then the next year offer something better, how is that bad? If people are still waiting on their pre-order then even better, they can cancel their pre-order and get something else. They don't owe you anything, if you don't like the product or their delivery method then don't buy it, go spend $90,000 on an Alexia.

April 24, 2013 at 11:24AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Dovahkiin

Someone posted that this camera has a "native" sensor of 1920x1080. Does that mean no more line skipping? No more aliasing? Can anyone confirm this?

April 24, 2013 at 12:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Ben Corwin

I can't confirm this obviously, but it would make sense. Why use a sensor with a bunch of extra pixels that you're never going to use? It's a video camera, not a hybrid.

April 24, 2013 at 3:33PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Eric

None of the BMD cameras use any line skipping. Not the 2.5K. Not the 4k. Not the pocket.

jb

April 24, 2013 at 7:12PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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John Brawley

Does the Pocket Camera really compare to the Cinema Camera? They seem like different animals. The camera's form factor is based on the recording medium (SSD vs SDHC) and makes sense.

Also there's a power issue (voltage) if they were to push out an EF version; that will definitely affect Canon HDSLR users.

April 24, 2013 at 12:55PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Image wise, yes, both cameras compare and can be used in the same shoot, I think. The only main difference would be depth of field.
And if an EF lens can be adapted to a MFT camera (which they can) then I don't see why there'd be any trouble using them on the BMPC (unless voltage is the issue why Metabones is delaying the EF to MFT Speed Booster adapter).

April 24, 2013 at 1:01PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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.... And there will be less resolution as well as less cor resolution (not the same as luma resolution) since less information is available for debayering into a 1080p image that has to interpolate missing color information.

April 25, 2013 at 8:12AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Philip

... Meant to say less color resolution.

April 25, 2013 at 8:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Philip

BMCC Pocket should have very similar per pixel resolution to the original BMCC. De-bayerring has nothing to do with any differences, as both sensors are Bayer type. Perhaps you were thinking of oversampling - downsampling 2.5K BMCC image to 1080p BMCC Pocket equivalent. In that case yes, BMCC downsampled 1080p image would be better than native BMCC Pocket image.

April 25, 2013 at 10:34AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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PeterK

It looks terrific. Can't wait to put S16 primes on this cam. I don't understand most of the criticism, unless its pure ignorance of what S16 offers (to be fair - it was a much more important format in Australisia/UK than here in the US). I love the very slight softness of that footage above compared to say, an Alexa. When I shoot Alexa I'm constantly having to rack filters and hunt for lenses.
Also, very interesting to see that China and India are cranking out cheap cages and handles for the 2.5k and 4k like nobody's business. They obviously think its a winner.
Have pre-ordered two of each. Can't wait.

April 24, 2013 at 1:14PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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marklondon

Absolutely in love with this camera. The price is unbelievable. I’ll keep my GH3 for 60p, but the BMPC will certainly become my main cam. Ecstatic about seeing the footage coming out so similar to the BMCC. SD cards solves so much. MFT mount solves so much. $1000 solves so much. I’ve followed the saga of the BMCC and its delivery and even cancelled my preorder. But this camera is so inexpensive compared to a Red Scarlet, that I can’t see myself canceling, even at 6 months past delivery. Bravo Blackmagic. Bravo John Brawley. Thank you so much for giving us EXACTLY what we’ve been begging for. 4K for the Canon lens people who whined so much about the mount, and Super 16 for those of us who went MFT. Between the three, there is a RAW camera with beautiful DR literally for everyone.

April 24, 2013 at 1:22PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Well put.

April 24, 2013 at 1:32PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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marklondon

The BMPCC + GH3 combo is pretty much the best portable shooting rig imaginable. In a backpack, you can fit an entire 2-angle kit that would produce better quality images than the best digital cameras of 10 years ago.

Incredible times, indeed.

April 24, 2013 at 2:30PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Hummer

That's sweet. Same colors and latitude.

April 24, 2013 at 2:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Natt

This camera is a NO BRAINER, shut up and take my money.
I usually shoot my shorts with my Red Scarlet, but I can see many ways I could use this camera:
- easy way to get vfx plates, I could easily mount this camera on my car's hood to get good plates for my green screen car scenes.
- could get some expensive moves on a relatively cheap jib, same with sliders. and steady cam rigs.
- shoot guerrilla in places I'd get busted easily with my Scarlet, like in Hospitals, restaurants, or other expensive locations.
- Back up camera on set in case your A camera freezes.
- B Cam;
- get 3 or 4 of them to cover every angle and let actors improv
- Mount it on a reasonably priced RC Heli.
-With this very lens John B. used, I can basically cover my wide lens selection I use the most on my Scarlet, I don't need to go wider than this, and if I use my 70-200, I'll have an incredible super long lens.
- And why, take it for my trips
- It would be easier to shoot some low budget action scenes. Mount everywhere, run with it, etc
Cant wait.

April 24, 2013 at 3:01PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Marcus

I want the pocket cinema camera and a f2.8 12-35 !

Does some company make a good bundle of both for a great price ? ;-)

April 24, 2013 at 4:51PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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mikael_bellina

pick up a GH3 kit with the lens and you are set. the BMPC and GH3 complement each other in so many ways already!

April 24, 2013 at 7:09PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Amazing little gem
They are gonna sell like a trillion units! Mark my words, everyone will have a BMPCC. Truly amazing

April 24, 2013 at 5:58PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Cris

BMD are amazing. Regardless of their shortfalls with distribution, I think that people need to appreciate just how much these guys are pushing the bar in the consumer's favour.

4K RAW = $4K
2.5K RAW = $3K
HD RAW = $1K

They're meeting so many needs there, that other companies are going to have to start trying to compete. Most recent DSLR releases feature uncompressed HDMI out as if that was a nice bonus for the consumer - but that doesn't even compare to this. I'm hoping we start to see more quality features slipping into DSLR/affordable camera options.

If Canon/Sony/Panasonic can offer me 2K on a super35 sensor, with internal ProRes and 120-240FPS (without sensor cropping!) for $2K, then they'll be back in the game in my books. They wouldn't even need to include RAW.

April 24, 2013 at 7:15PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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They really don't have to try and compete with anything, as long as people keep "waiting" on "them" to compete with others while still buying their products.

Canon, Panasonic, Sony, etc.... they know to whom they market to, and they do well.

Blackmagic now secures a piece of the niche, and it'll grow to a healthy size while the others continue to produce the camera you do or do not want at a higher cost. =]

Want the other companies to follow BMD's lead? Stop waiting on them to do it and support the company that's doing it now.

(Not you, in specific, just those with this mentality. Vote with your money, that's the loudest vote to any company.)

April 25, 2013 at 2:37AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Kholi

Yes the big question is what is the data rate of the compressed CDNG raw option.

By simple math we can work out that the reduced frame size of the pocket cam compared to its 2.5k big brother gives us a DNG data rate of around 90MB/s - simply put way too fast for reliable recording on todays SDXC cards which top out at 95MB/s

But its compressed or CDNG - and on Black Magics own website they have a picture of two Sandisk 45MB/s cards underneath the following: "captures stunning ProRes 422 (HQ) and lossless compressed CinemaDNG files to fast SDXC cards"

So right there they are implying we can write CDNG to a 45MB/s card - which if you take into account overhead so you dont get dropped frames, means they must have a compression ratio of at least 2.5:1 which is a data rate of around 38MB/s.

Now if all the above speculative deduction is true, whats interesting is the raw data rate isnt that much higher than the pro res HQ data rate - meaning realistically it would be the obvious choice to record for maximum latitude with little file size penalty.

A 128gb 45MB/s card will give you around 56 minutes RAW recording time at a cost of $170 - which would be brilliant if true!

:-)

April 24, 2013 at 8:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Peter

hubba hubba

April 25, 2013 at 12:20AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Nate

So, I'm hearing that a lot of people are going to try out the BMPC + GH3 a-cam/b-cam set-up. That's what I'm shooting for as well. Quick question: how smooth will the editing workflow be on the latest macbook pro? Will I be able to edit the footage of both cams together natively without encoding to a different format? In other words, would AVCHD and ProRes work well in the same timeline in, say, Adobe Premiere Pro CS6? Are they friendly formats or will we have to compensate with extra rendering at every step?

Thanks for your input!

April 25, 2013 at 10:08AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Anri

It *shouldn't* be a problem with Premiere Pro, as it lets you work on multiple source footage in the same sequence without the need to transcode.

April 25, 2013 at 11:16AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Scott

Man I wish I could get 2 of these in time for shooting of season 3 of Standard Action. Too bad it's we're shooting in July

April 25, 2013 at 2:48PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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rob

take my bloody money twice

April 25, 2013 at 3:13PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Oleg

I'm impressed, but somewhat curious about lens options, the zoom used here, any thoughts, I have been thinking a 17MM M Zuiko F1.8, 25MM Lumix/Leica F1.4 and a 45MM M Zuiko F1.8........but if this lens gives decent low light performance it would replace the 17MM/25mm as my choices.......your thoughts please? Not a lot of folks with insight on this camera. I'd like to sort the lens out before I pre-order.

April 25, 2013 at 4:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Does anyone know any specifics about how audio is handled in the pocket camera? The web site isn't very clear...all that seems certain is that the jack is a stereo 3.5mm (somewhat sad, a breakout cable to SLR would be been nice but hey it's a pocket camera and it's $1000). What I really want to know is, how is the audio being recorded? One of the biggest problems I have with most $1000 cameras is they only record lossy-compressed sound by design (AC3) so no matter what you plug in, you're throwing away data (even true of some cameras with XLR connections, caveat emptor). Very few if any inexpensive cameras will do a lossless audio recording format like LPCM.

Do most folks just presume automatically that using a camera like this, you'll be doing sync sound through a Zoom or Tascam, etc?

April 25, 2013 at 10:51PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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trackofalljades

It's unclear if the audio input is a line- or mic-level input.

The specs:
Analog Audio Input
1 x 3.5mm stereo audio.

The description:
Stereo audio inputs and outputs use 3.5mm stereo jacks for connecting microphones and headphones.

So, either it's a stereo line-level input and you would need an additional (stereo) microphone preamp or it's a stereo mic-level input and you could plug any dynamic, electret or condenser mic (those 2 last types of microphone need +48v phantom power).
If your microphones use the standard XLR connectors, you would need a 2x male XLR to 1x mini-jack stereo cable, which you can find pretty easily in a music or electronic shop (or do it yourself). Now, there are plenty of video type microphones that are already using a mini-jack connector, those would be the easiest to use.

Input-wise, my guess is they went for a middle of the road approach, meaning that they are probably using a fixed-gain microphone preamp of about 30-40 dB with a digital level in the menu. I would be surprised if the quality from this input's converters/preamps is good, btw.

April 26, 2013 at 5:09AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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The $1000 price tag is I think unintentionally making us think of this camera as a consumer product that should be able to 'do' everything, when in fact that is not the case. It is an image-making box primarily, with some sound recording thrown on top, probably intended for use a sync reference more than anything. Sure XLR inputs and top of the line preamps would be great, but not what I'm buying this camera for.

April 26, 2013 at 10:40AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Scott

+1

April 26, 2013 at 11:41AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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XLR would have been way too large anyways.
I think mini jack is a good solution as it simply is the only realistic one given the camera's form factor.

April 28, 2013 at 5:10PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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pask

Hi guys! Can somebody post a link to the lenses you can use on BM Pocket Camera? I know about EF lenses, but not much about MFT. Thank you.

April 26, 2013 at 4:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Miha

It looks like you can use pretty much any MFT lenses but I have a pair of Voigtlander f0.95 Lenses (17.5mm and 25mm) plus an SLR Magic HyperPrime 12mm f/1.6 which I think will be a perfect match to the BMPCC.

Assuming a x3 factor this gives me a 35mm, a 50mm and a 75mm equivalent set of lenses.

This glass was not cheap but image quality will be stellar! All manual focus and aperture but I prefer the control this gives.

April 26, 2013 at 5:23PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Mark Tyers

You know the pocket camera does have a S16mm sensor, so you could just slap on an adapter and get some 16mm lenses from ebay

April 27, 2013 at 9:11PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Grant

@Miha
just research micro43 and you'll open to a whole new lens world ;-)
Panasonic, Olympus and SLR Magic would be the first stops.
The good thing with micro43 is you can also adapt lots of other (manual/vintage) lenses.

April 26, 2013 at 4:55AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Has Black Magic fixed the Cinema camera... before now releasing this one. Its still on preorder here in Africa and they already releasing another????

April 26, 2013 at 6:18AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Inna Goroh

“If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will” - Steve Jobs
I am glad Blackmagic is cannibalizing itself as it looks like no one else is ready yet...

April 26, 2013 at 8:53AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Guys, Im just wondering how this performs in low light? I really wish theres a real review out there for this camera because im about to pre order mine on B&H.

April 27, 2013 at 3:24AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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James

James, the first 2.5K version will likely turn out to be slightly better in low light than the 4K version, but this should be a marginal difference. A little bit of usage experience plus common sense toward lighting should makeup the difference. Go ahead and pre-order the 4K because you can call-in or chat cancel the order with B&H anytime between now and July. All you do is give them the order number and they can cancel it in about 1 minute. I had a BMCC MFT pre-ordered and I cancelled it easily through chat.

April 27, 2013 at 12:56PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Razor

Just yummy. Makes me glad I've invested in M43 glass for my old Olympus EP2, and I can't wait to try it with some old Nikon glass too. To have that kind of DR in your pocket, wow.

April 27, 2013 at 10:12PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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It will be interesting to see how this performs in lowlight and directly against the Panasonic GH3.
The Panasonic has the advantage of higher frame rates and to take stills although not a great low light performer when compared to larger sensor cameras, so the BMPCC with an even smaller sensor may suffer although it does have the ability for 13 stops of dynamic range and better codecs so fingers crossed it will be good. I think Blackmagic have seen how popular the GH2 and GH3 have been with video people so have dropper all the functions of still cameras which should make it a doddle to set up and use, just a pity about the standard frame rates. This camera and a Voigtlander 0.95 lens should be stellar!

April 28, 2013 at 2:27PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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I'm interested in the Black Magic Pocket camera for a project, but that project is wide screen 2.39:1 DCP, so the pixel size shot should be 2048x858 to avoid enlargment which can degrade the reqults quite a bit going from a 1:1 pixel de-Bayer.

The bandwidth for 2048x858 is LESS than 1920x1080, so the memory card and camera data channel are fast enough to record 2048x858. And it seems the sensor is windowed and would be able to have a firmware change to be able to record 2048x858, so who can I talk to at Black Magic about doing this firmware update? I tried posting on their forum but did not see a reply to my question there. If the camera can support a real Cinema aspect ratio and pixel size, then why not support it, I see no reason to hobble the camera, as its useful to be able to shoot 2048x858 in a compact camera option.

May 9, 2013 at 6:31AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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can any m4/3 to Canon adapter be used to use Canon EF lenses on the pocket cinema camera?

May 13, 2013 at 9:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Guy

Keep in mind that putting a full frame Canon lens on the m4/3 mount (via an adapter) will change the focal length: a 50mm Canon lens will become a 100mm lens.

May 13, 2013 at 10:53PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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why does everyone shoot into the sun, is this the new way to be artistic?

May 24, 2013 at 11:58AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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tom

Perhaps to show that there are no anomalies. Like the Olympus EP2's red dots.

May 24, 2013 at 2:16PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Chris

How can you reestablish your home pc from an sooner moment?

August 15, 2013 at 3:33AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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