June 7, 2013

Which Canon Cameras & Resolutions Are Currently Supported with Magic Lantern RAW Video?

Magic_Lantern_logo-whiteIf you've been following the Magic Lantern RAW video news, you have probably seen quite a bit of material from the Canon 5D Mark II and the 5D Mark III. The hack, however, is working on many of Canon's cameras, including the 50D (a camera that never shot video before), 60D, 6D, and more. Even if a camera is supported, that doesn't mean you're necessarily going to get full resolutions while recording continuously  so Roman over on the Magic Lantern forum has put together a list of the Canon cameras and max burst and continuous resolutions currently supported. Check out if your camera is currently supported below.

This is the newest version that was posted in the forum, but it will be updated frequently (click for larger -- updated on 7/4/13):

As noted above, some of these cameras can take the VAF anti-aliasing filter from Mosaic Engineering, which gets rid of the majority of ugly moire artifacts on the image. While there are some minor downsides to using one of these, the sharpness of the RAW hack combined with the elimination of moire, is a heck of a combination.

What's interesting is that it looks like a camera like the full-frame 6D or the APS-C 60D would both give excellent image quality at 1080 were it not for the slower SD card spec. New developments are happening every day, so there is no reason to rule anything out at this point, but if you want full 1080 quality at more than 24fps and no performance issues, the 5D Mark III is the most supported at this point.

You can find the full list at the link below, and it will likely continue to be updated throughout this Pre-Alpha size of the newer firmware.

Link: Current raw video capabilities - All ML cameras -- Magic Lantern Forum

[via Magic Lantern Twitter]

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45 Comments

Can someone explain something to me ? How does red record 4k into cf cards with the red one? Can we use red cf cards to record higher res onto cf cards or am I missing something ?

June 7, 2013 at 12:22AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Edry

Cards are much faster now than they were then, but the reason RED could do it was because they compress the footage significantly before writing to the cards. The RED ONE at its maximum was doing 12-bit compressed RAW at 42 Megabytes per second, the Mark III is doing twice that at 1080 because it's uncompressed 14-bit RAW.

June 7, 2013 at 12:44AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Joe Marine
Camera Department

Thanks for the great answer.

I think we need a Kickstarter to get ML money to recreate a "REDcode" type compressed raw (without getting sued.)

June 7, 2013 at 1:05AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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How about CineForm RAW?

June 7, 2013 at 6:30PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Stenbolt

Hey guys, RED records on SSD, not on CF or SD cards. That's the bottleneck of the ML hack as it is now: recording long sequences on a CF or SD cards can't be done. If the RAW files could be output through HDMI they could be recorded on an external device, like an Atomos Ninja 2 or a Nano Flash. If the RAW file can be compressed to be recorded on SD or CF cards, the massive required compression could bring unwanted artifacts in the images. So what would be the point of shooting RAW in the first place? What the ML guys are doing is outstanding. But it still boils down to trying to make a camera do something it was not designed to do. Hence the huge problems...

June 7, 2013 at 9:35AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Marcel

The RED ONE can still record on CF cards. In fact, RED still sells them in their store:

http://www.red.com/store/products/red-cf-card-16gb

Here's the CF Module for the RED ONE:

http://www.red.com/store/products/red-cf-module

June 7, 2013 at 9:50AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Joe Marine
Camera Department

It's not just a question of how fast your card is. It's also the camera's internal data transfer speeds. Just because you have a super-duper fast card doesn't mean the camera's internal data bus can take full advantage of it. This is partly a function of what technology was current when the camera was designed and built and partly about design goals. A straight picture camera may not have been designed with fast internal data transfers in mind.

June 7, 2013 at 4:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Varek

Dang it, not looking good for my T2i, guess I'll have to focus on my stories.

June 7, 2013 at 12:39AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Don't worry, ML hack for stories coming soon, too.

June 7, 2013 at 1:04AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Cassidy Hilton

Brilliant. :-)

June 7, 2013 at 1:32AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Marklondon

This is really awesome! I am currently working on a hardware hack to compliment the awesome breakthroughs that are happening with these great cameras. Currently working on some alpha hardware tests in order to get rid of some bottlenecks. More to come soon. =)

June 7, 2013 at 2:23AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Awesome! Keep us up to date on your discoveries!

June 7, 2013 at 2:51AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Dan

Hack a nikon D800. Plenty of donations waiting for you!

June 7, 2013 at 3:43AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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VinceGOrtho

Apparently the issue with the T2i/550D is the speed of the SD card controller, not the actual SD card speed. Some great results coming through, even if not at 1920x1080 - could be useful for green screen stuff. But, July sees the shipping of the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera........

June 7, 2013 at 2:54AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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But for the sd card issue, is it possible to hypotize the use of mini P2 card (P2 write capabilities in an SD form) to increase the writing speed?

I don't know if the mini P2 are yet on the market neither if they are usable out of Panasonic cameras... but if it is so, even the MK3 can benefit from it.

What do you think?

June 7, 2013 at 4:14AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Andrea

i think (correct me if im wrong) with the sd cards the issue is the max speed that can be written to a card so there is a point when ceases it to have any effect.

hopefully someone figures out how to build on all this and pump the live feed out over a clean hdmi (if that is even possible) and can at least get better footage straight into an external recorder

June 7, 2013 at 5:27AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Chris Lambert

From what I understand, the bottleneck isn't the SD cards but the SD card reader/writer on the camera. They have plenty of fast SD cards (The Sandisk Extreme Pro comes to mind) but if the hardware on the camera can't handle it, it's limited.

June 7, 2013 at 9:19AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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David S.

so i can record 24fps at 1728x1156 on my t3i! :D Niiiice!

June 7, 2013 at 4:59AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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What does "crop mode" mean? Some pretty impressive resolutions going on there!

June 7, 2013 at 6:24AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Matt

Means the camera isn't skipping any lines on the sensor to send the image to the CF card. So if you're filming on the 5D, you won't be getting a full frame simply because the sensor was designed to be a stills camera and is a much higher resolution than what is needed to give a 1080 signal.

June 7, 2013 at 2:29PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Hubert

R.I.P ...........7D

June 7, 2013 at 7:40AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Nelson

just curious. I have been using the high bit rate feature in magic lantern on my 550D which allows write speeds of over 50bits a second. If that is possible, what is the bottleneck for writing to sd cards? Or is it more of a buffer issue?

June 7, 2013 at 9:27AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Rusty

the RAW data rate is a lot higher than 50 Mega-bits per second. at 1080p its around 4 Mega-Bytes per frame, at 24 fps that's 96 Mega-Bytes per second or 768 Mega-bits per second. It's just a hell of a lot more data. Someone please correct me if i'm getting my Bytes and bits wrong. But either way, it's still massively more data.

June 7, 2013 at 9:56AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Doesn't the max write speed depend on which card you use? The graphic shows for example that the 60D has a max write speed of 21 MB/s. But you can also use a SDXC card with 95 MB/s which should be supported by the 60D. Which should be (nearly) enough. Or is the bottleneck inside of the DSLR?

June 8, 2013 at 3:37AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Matt

The bottle neck is inside the dslr. The cf reader on the 5dmkIII maxes out at 90MB/s, the 5dmkii and 50d maxes out around 60MB/s, the 6d SD card write speed is 40MB/s, and all others sd card speed @20MB/s.

June 8, 2013 at 7:42PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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PersuAzn

Would it not be better to have clean HDMI out? This would solve the write challenge.

Perhaps Canon should work on that.

The Canon XA25 outputs RAW video to an external drive, but cannot record it internally.
They have the ability, knowledge and the hardware/software to do it.

Regards,
Rachael

June 15, 2013 at 7:45AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Rachael

DAMN WHAT ABOUT THE CANON 7D????

June 7, 2013 at 12:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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WILL

I feel your PAIN!!!!

June 7, 2013 at 12:52PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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David F

Why Nikon dslrs can't be hacked? I used 60d in the past, but I've bought the fullframe d600. Its such a pity that it can't be hacked to shoot raw! Damn!

June 7, 2013 at 12:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Fudi

PLZ PLZ PLZ ......

HACK SONY ALPHA 57 TOO FOR PIT SAKE !!!!!!!!!!!

June 7, 2013 at 1:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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KAZIBA

I discovered my Microwave gives me RAW when I use it unplugged!

June 8, 2013 at 3:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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5D Mark III is on its way to stable RAW 60FPS, am I reading this right?

June 7, 2013 at 1:06PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Dustin St. Hilaire

That would be awesome.....5Dmkiii users rejoice!!!!!!!!!

June 7, 2013 at 1:36PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Kendrick

A significant detail that is missing from this graphic:

Maximum recording time for each aspect ratio.

June 7, 2013 at 5:57PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Danny

Actually, there is a lot of different aspect ratios. And sometimes, the camera stop before reaching the limit. Still, you solve this problem by recording under the buffer limit.
There is a test I did with the 600d if anyone is wondering how the low end is going advancing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzqX2X0sOpM

June 8, 2013 at 1:54AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Edgar

EXACTLY. I heard that 5D MKIII tops out at 30 seconds, which is a total dealbreaker for me. I have been looking for that information on the ML forums to no avail.

June 8, 2013 at 9:12AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Harry Pray IV

Absolutely. I've searched the forums but that info isn't available without testing as far as I've seen. I am about to go to a camera store with my MKIII to test it.

June 8, 2013 at 9:23AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Harry Pray IV

In what places have you been looking for? the 30 second limits of the mark III was one month ago for the burst mode. But this is video recording now. the 1920 on the mark III is countinuous. I can say it, since I tested it myself. No worries, open fire with the mark iii, you will not miss the target

June 8, 2013 at 2:10PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Edgar

I'm using Magic Lantern in my 7D and it's working. Don't know why it's saying otherwise in the spreadsheet.

June 13, 2013 at 4:46PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Guilherme

hi,i`am having a hard time with the 60devery 12 minutes the camera stop,is ml going to solve the problem or
i will have to go for a pro camcorder.
i don`t think i`am going use canon stuff any more
thanks

June 17, 2013 at 9:05AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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September 11, 2013 at 6:40AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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March 7, 2014 at 10:57AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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John

Did your hack work?

May 29, 2014 at 4:16PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Kyrobb

can any one suggest me sd card speed for canon 600D (T3i) to record RAW 1080X720p

June 2, 2014 at 3:40AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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