November 29, 2013

Infographic: New York Film Academy Breaks Down Gender Bias in Film

Gender InequalityGender inequality in film is one of those topics that can be difficult for some to talk about, but given the massive disparity between the numbers of males and females in the industry, the subject deserves our attention. In light of the enormous success of The Hunger Games: Catching Fire, The New York Film Academy decided to take a closer look at the participation, wages, and depictions of women in film and have put together an infographic that illustrates their research's findings.

According to NYFA, they pulled their information from a myriad of sources, but the bulk came from a USC gender inequality study, as well as a study conducted by Martha M. Lauzen, Ph.D. The focus of these studies were on several areas regarding female participation in film, including employment, prevalence, and portrayal.

These are interesting areas of investigation, because they allow the picture to become clearer not just of women working on set as directors, writers, editors, and cinematographers, but also of how women are portrayed on the screen compared to males. It widens our view to better contextualize the information given.

Check out NYFA's infographic below:

New York Film Academy takes a look at gender inequality in film

Yes, there are fewer women working in Hollywood than men. Yes, there is more female participation in independent film. Yes, actresses are more sexualized on-screen than their male counterparts. Yes, there are notable female filmmakers that do highly respectable work. We've known these things for quite some time based off of similar studies, and before we get into the endless debate over whose fault it is, let's just marinate in the numbers for a while. These studies aren't here to place blame or point fingers, but to inform and, dare I say, inspire.

Thanks to New York Film Academy for sharing their research with us!

Feel free to share your thoughts in the comments.

Link: Gender Inequality in Film -- New York Film Academy

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There will be a difference for as long as people make a difference - That aside I am trying to think really hard what sexually revealing clothes for man could possibly look like...

November 29, 2013 at 2:12PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Quite a few articles here lately about the same topic. Not necessarily a bad thing though...

November 29, 2013 at 2:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Alaivi

4 spanned over the last 7 months.

November 29, 2013 at 3:09PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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V Renée
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Since this website is preoccupied with measuring inequality, how come you you don't focus on the number of Blacks, Hispanics or, Asians in the industry compared to White males?

November 29, 2013 at 3:14PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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moebius22

...or otherwise?

November 29, 2013 at 3:15PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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moebius22

I agree that this should be a focus as well, but let's not let that distract from gender disparity being a serious issue unto itself.

November 29, 2013 at 4:06PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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brent

It's important to note that, according to 2013 DGA stats, in the past two decades ethnic minority male directors have doubled their employment numbers while the number of women directors has declined, and ethnic minority women directors has been halved. The issue for women-- 51% of the U.S. general population-- must be held separate from issues of ethnic minorities. Women of all the marvelous blends of ethnicity must now stand in solidarity to solve gender discrimination in American media-- just as 93 years ago we stood in solidarity for suffrage, and won!

December 3, 2013 at 12:36AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Word. Respectful minority representation is important, for sure, but the fact that a MAJORITY of our population (women) is STILL underrepresented, under-respected, and under-dimensionalized shows a much bigger problem. In mainstream media, anyway, but then... Duh.

December 7, 2013 at 10:33PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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+1 it's because renee is the one posting, I don't think there are many minority posters that are very concerned about it/many minority posters.

I bet there are some studies out there though, you just have to find them on your own.

November 29, 2013 at 5:33PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Derek

I'm hispanic and concerned :)

You guys bring up a good point -- we should talk about underrepresented groups in film other than women for sure.

November 30, 2013 at 5:00AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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V Renée
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female are roughly 50% of population
and we are not talking exclusivly of white females, females too can be asian or black or hispanic

November 29, 2013 at 5:52PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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normalornot

So how many Black, Hispanic, or Asian females are in the industry versus White females? The chart breaks everything down in excruciating detail, except for the race of those females.

November 29, 2013 at 6:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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moebius22

A friend of mine didn't get into a renowned film school because of a 50% quota for women - there were only around 15% women applyicants. The most ironic thing about it is, that the young man I am talking about is gay. Shouldn't he be demanding a gay quota? But no, he didn't. He just accepted his defeat like a man and applied elsewhere.

December 5, 2013 at 4:27PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Heiko

Very interesting. Though I feel compelled to point out that some of these stats are misleading. For instance, the "gender bias in awards", if there is one, is in favor of women. Earlier in the graphic, it is stated that women make up only 16% of the film industry (5:1 ratio of male to female), so the fact that they recieve 25% of the award nominations certainly does not reveal a bias against them. They currently get more than their share of nominations. Which, if they are producing better work, is totally meritted, regardless of their gender.

November 29, 2013 at 4:08PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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bob

very sad numbers

November 29, 2013 at 5:49PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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normalornot

The most disconcerting thing to me is realizing how few Hollywood films pass the Bechdel test. To pass the test a film must have at least two women in it, who talk to each other, about something besides a man. Does the last movie you saw pass?

November 29, 2013 at 8:23PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Dan

Does reality pass that test?

December 5, 2013 at 4:30PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Heiko

I'd like to be the lowest ranked member of the Highest Paid list. Is that too much to ask for?

November 29, 2013 at 8:32PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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DLD

nice..

November 29, 2013 at 9:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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sebastian

Would I call this inequality, or maybe just an industry, much like hairdressing, where one sex just likes to do the job more than the other?

I genuinely don't believe this is inequality because nothing here is forced. Wow, when can we talk about males being oppressed because the hair dressing industry is bias towards women?

Sorry if anyone here is offended by my opinion, but I feel that these info-graphics are almost made to target all men and make them feel bad for being sexist, when in fact, I genuinely don't give a shit about gender.

November 29, 2013 at 11:52PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Tyler

Oh, while I'm here was was "females" tagged and not "males"? How is this only for discussion and information when an opinion is placed on the bottom of the image outlining how we need to fix this inequality issue?

To this very day, if these stats were representing some kind of implied bias/inequality with woman, I should have heard the same amount of females as males saying they wanted to direct, or write, or whatever. But I just don't. Are we going to force females to win Oscars so that there is now a section in the rules that states that woman will win until the stats sit at 50%?

Please, don't misunderstand, I'm not some kind of male oppressor, but shit like this is just over the top. Sure, more woman are portrayed sexually than men, so why don't woman go and write something better? Why don't woman produce better? Is it because executives hate woman, or because the base numbers are different?

November 29, 2013 at 11:59PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Tyler

Maybe the issue isn't gender, but the fact that everyone keeps bringing it into the situation.

November 29, 2013 at 11:59PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Tyler

Some years back, when Zapatero became president of Spain he appointed the same amount of female ministers then male ministers to symbolize gender equality. This makes me think; were those appointed to rule the country chosen by measuring their intellectual and political qualities or simply by their gender in order to get an even number? Would you think this is a good approach leading to gender equality?
I repeat, there will be a difference for as long as people make one, forget about genders and value people by their work and things will sort themselves.

November 30, 2013 at 1:04AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Yes. In fact, men in our industry have experienced built-in affirmative action advantages since 1896 when the "Domitor," (the proposed name for the first movie projector) was created. Why not give women the next 100 years of advantage at a 95-5 ratio? Let's take a look then at who dominates the skill set. We will never know how gender influences media expressions until women have been provided the same depth and time that has been afforded to men. And let us not forget, in the United States of America equal employment opportunity is the law. With ratios like 95/5 male-to-female film directors and 88/12 male-to-female TV directors, women are not even giving a sporting chance. If you have a daughter, think about that!

December 3, 2013 at 1:25AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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What does politics have to do with intelligence? ;)

December 7, 2013 at 10:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Good to see more guys who are fed up with being treated like criminal animals by feminist propaganda.

Like anyone was holding back women these days... on the contrary, girls are treated like the better people since kindergarten. Boys are told they must be more like girls, because boys are just violent. Basically all rapists.

I have been in the tv business for a while now and I know a lot of cameramen. However I don't know ONE woman working as a cameraman ehm -woman. That must be because we evil male conspirators are holding them back, right? What else could it be?
Maybe that no woman that I know likes working with a camera. I am not saying they couldn't. I know quite a few women who can make beautiful images with a camera, but they don't like that line of work. They are all working as editors.

And by the way, when we are talking about how many men are big shot directors in Hollywood, can we then please also talk about the hundreds of thousands of men who would like to be a big shot director and never make it? Where's the effing quota for them?

And where is my money and fame, because I am supposedly a member of the male success club who has it so easy by suppressing women. Why am I not rich and famous then? Where's MY effing quota?

December 5, 2013 at 4:42PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Heiko

I saw someone somewhere suggest that there aren't as many women in the film industry because there aren't as many women that apply themselves to the industry because they just are not interested. This makes me think jobs traditionally dominated by women, like nursing or as you said hair dressing. A man may be genuinely interested in a career like nursing, but may be discouraged in doing so because it is a "womans" career. his masculinity comes into question. I would guess that in general ways it may be similar. Women are discouraged from doing a "man's job". Also men dominate their own alternative equivalent to hair dressers: barbers. There is no alternative equivalent of the film industry for women.

The vast majority of people will not admit to being sexist or racist, and they may genuinely believe they are not, but there are still huge problems in both of these areas. It doesn't add up. People have biases that they don't recognize. If you really make an effort do educate yourself in the way these can manifest themselves and reflect on your own biases you will find them. I did.

March 9, 2015 at 2:58PM

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Kory Gasser
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Well the numbers are fair. More men work in that industry nre men get the results .. or should we just grant 50% of woman nominations and money just because it would be fair 50/50 regardless that there are 5 times mroe man working and doing their best in the ndustry? I see this chart as that women get more than they deserve! ..

November 30, 2013 at 2:47AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Sofi

yes I agree if women want more than there is still much to bedone (but by women alone) .. I don´t agree that men should somehow be compensated because they do more and better in a favor of a stupid number. Or maybe there are thousands of women directors and writers of sci-fi that we don´t give a chance to right? :D .. I personally don´t know a single woman interrested in sci-fi, technology, video cutting or editing, professional graphics etc .. maybe 1 or 2 amateur photographers but that´s it that´s all .. I don´t think they should do 50% of this stuff just because they are woman so can achieve a bloody "fair" 50% "equality" ...

November 30, 2013 at 2:54AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Sofi

Yes, the trend is to treat everybody the same until everybody has to vomit. There can't be losers anymore, just "second and third winners".

I suggest we give everybody an Oscar, even those of us who aren't even working in the movies. Because you know, we could be and should be. And we are all the same and can all do great things, so we all want an Oscar. Wouldn't that be a nice world?

December 5, 2013 at 4:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Heiko

Uggg, here we go again. There's no great conspiracy here... nobody is "trying" to "oppress" women. Nobody gives that much of a crap about it. Men are just genetically/evolutionarily predisposed to the traits that happen make better filmmakers... it's as simple as that.The sexes are not equal at every single freaking task. It's like I'm living in an insane asylum where everyone's turning a blind eye to nature and reality. Are they not teaching evolution anymore? Read some damn biology books. I swear all this feminism and social-Marxism is the new religion of this era. The so-called followers of these "ideologies" even act like the religious-zealots of yesteryear whenever a counter-thought or idea so much as surfaces... it's getting out of hand.

November 30, 2013 at 3:28AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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bwhitz

Totally, and I am pretty sure the film industry is like THE field where EVERYBODY can make it. I mean, we're talking about film crews here, not some old-fashioned british country club! Film crews are probably the most modern and liberal people you can find, but they are also cruel when it comes to performance: if you're not good at your job, you're out. There's one statistics missing: people fired from film crews for various performance related reasons. I guess the number would be around 90% men and 10% women - just because there were only 10% women there in the first place.

The other women were working in other jobs because the feminists had not told them yet they should all be working on a film set.

December 5, 2013 at 5:13PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Heiko

To begin with, the Harry Potter author could have chosen some female directors, not some alibi thing like with Mira Nair. Or Kathleen Kennedy, Gale Ann Hurd etc. could attach women to their productions. And I'm not stopping here, what's about that yahoo woman? Why doesn't she fire all men and put those hard working, totally superior women-geeks into power we all hear from all the time (sarcasm). Those f***ing women in charge could help their own "race", and yes, even though I love my mom, my sisters and aunts and so on I just feel disgust over this growing gender wars which are mainly forced by some elitist feminists and/or lesbians, totally ignoring realities. We have these gender discussions in politics here in Germany all the time, they are speaking about forcing corporations to have equal numbers of men and women in management.

November 30, 2013 at 4:27AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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mariano

Yes, female misogyny is the greatest enemy of our hopes for cultural evolution. The Amy Pascals of our industry need to be called out. Sadly, they are the women who advance best.

December 3, 2013 at 1:38AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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On behind the lens side of things, isn't just a case of interest in pursuing film careers? How many woman have you met that want to be sparks, grips, cinematographers etc? How many males have you met that want a career in the fashion industry? Initially lets say you have 500 men who want to work on a picture and 200 women who want to work on the same picture, when it comes to hiring its like a bottle neck and you will of course have a higher ratio of men to women.

November 30, 2013 at 5:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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kahuna

Nope. We have to pretend that the world is 50/50. If 500 guys want to be in the film, then of course 500 equally qualified, equally talented, equally ambitious, equally tall, sized, hair cut, and clothed women will want the job, too. It's the bigoted med that think they're somehow different. (Even though the number doesn't come close to 200 women trying for the same job - but that's a pesky fact.)

For example, at the school where I studied film, there is a group dedicated to making things 50/50 in the film department. If 60 films are submitted for the Spring Festival, then 30 BETTER be directed by women, 30 BETTER star women, and 30 BETTER be edited by women, even though the ration IN SCHOOL (where there is no selection process other than 1) did you register for class, and 2) did you pay for it) is about 20:1. Go figure!

November 30, 2013 at 4:08PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Sheesh

*ratio, not "ration." Fingers were on autopilot, again, Sheesh! lol

November 30, 2013 at 4:09PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Sheesh

That sounds awful. Absolutely nothing is ever 50/50, so applying that rule is going to result in the discouragement of talent that deserves to be recognized in favor of a flawed "ideal" figure.

December 1, 2016 at 9:28PM

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Women who want to be grips? Good one! I mean you have to carry heavy stuff all the time and get your hands dirty. Have fun finding a woman who does that job for more than a day...

December 5, 2013 at 4:49PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Heiko

... and by the way I am totally okay with that.
Just don't tell me that there are no women grips because there's an evil macho conspiracy keeping them from being grips!

December 5, 2013 at 4:52PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Heiko

It's so infuriating and daunting to see the same bullshit again and again and again in every comment thread on equality - no matter how otherwise professional or friendly the forum is - the same semi-asperger 20something guys will always spew the same reactionary rhetoric, proudly displaying their home-cooked, half-baked "facts" on biology, reality and human nature like they're good common sense - instead of the obvious signs of a total failure to develop a nuanced sense of the world beyond the jungle-law of high-school. That mixed mental state of being both terrified and arrogant is universal with teenagers, but not becoming of an adult.

I feel real uneasy about the future when I see the ubiquity of these comments, but I'm hoping that the generational regression that is taking place just seems more pronounced than it actually is, because idiots have an inflated and exaggerated internet presence. Fingers crossed...

November 30, 2013 at 6:05AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Davíð

And this whole mumbo jumbo means what?

November 30, 2013 at 7:33AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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mariano

Look it up.

November 30, 2013 at 10:48AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Davíð

Did you get a deal for buying in bulk for the poison you put in that well?

Ok, here's my take on this infographic:
It cites two academic sources and around 14 blogs/news sites. 3 of those being ideologically biased blogs. There's no raw data to look at to speak of. There may very well be a problem, but some clever graphic design isn't going to distract me from the problem that I can't confirm the math.

Then there's the huge problem that it's a massively ideologically biased infographic to begin with. Sexually revealing clothes? What's the problem with that horribly undefined class of clothing? It's a non-problem unless there's an issue that women hate wearing those sorts of clothes as a rule. There are generally ridiculous gaps in the figures total .

The 'logic' used to justify the claim of bias doesn't make sense either. If only 2% of cinematographers working are women it doesn't necessarily mean there's a bias against them or active discrimination. Could it be that women simply don't want that job? Could it be that those that do maybe aren't as good? Could it be that the women who have the skillset necessary for cinematography instead go into related fields like photography? I highlighted that statistics because it's the smallest number. It's funny that 'art director' and 'casting' aren't listed. Those are highly sought after jobs and their absence is conspicuous.

There's also the red herring thrown in about women buying half of the movie tickets in the US. What does that have to do with anything? Half of food consumers are women, does that mean half of the farmers have to be women? Women should be allowed to do whatever they want. Their absence in a field doesn't inherently mean a bias, it might just indicate a trend that falls along gendered lines for whatever reason.

Then there's the pay issue. I wonder, does the creator of the infographic mean to imply that 1963 was a grossly misandrist year due to the obscene paycheck earned by Liz Taylor? She made $7 million when her initial $1 million was already considered shocking.

Now, when it comes to the ages and earnings for actors and actresses, I can see the reverse. Men have to work into their 40s to earn good money. And the implication that age is directly related to female pay exclusively seems to ignore that the trend is in the male group as well.

It's also hilarious to put 'paid' in there. Robert Downey Jr wasn't salaried $75 million that year, he made most of that through the success of the only film he took this year, the wildly successful one.

The statistics of this infographic make me want to vomit for their ineptitude.

November 30, 2013 at 3:56PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Luca

Luca, is your comment supposed to be in response to Davíð? If so, you are absurdly misplaced. Davíð was referring to the ludicrousness in the comment thread, while you are hating on the article itself. You would do well to check yourself for a few seconds before exploding with vitriol.

November 30, 2013 at 4:03PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Brian

I am stunned that asking about the empirical accuracy of an info-graphic and soberly stating dissenting opinions is now a sign of vitriol. I guess we just have to agree to agree on everything now...

December 1, 2013 at 12:06AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Marc B

"Did you get a deal for buying in bulk for the poison you put in that well?" Sounds a lot like vitriol to me. Do you disagree?

December 1, 2013 at 3:55PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Brian

Right. Luca actually prefaced his entire comment by saying, "Okay, here's my take on this inforgraphic." And then went on to describe how shoddy a pile of work it really is.

I'd hardly call what he wrote "vitriol." He did more work than any other commenter in this thread-- even taking the time to look into where the "facts" were coming from, and their quality.

The real fool in all of this is NFS buying into the NYFA's *obvious* marketing ploy, even going as far as to thank them for their "research" (of which they did none).

There's nothing wrong with taking a look at the ratio of men and women in an industry, as well as its racial profiles, work safety, age demographics, etc., but this type of marketing-post (for the NYFA in is case) is so blatantly skewed, subjective and of such low quality, that the end result isn't a group of readers concerned by the outcome of real research, it's mainly guys who feel wrongly accused and targeted with falsely twisted allegations.

Luca is one of the very few (as the US presidential election just proved) who is willing to take a peek behind the flashy facade of marketing, hype, and emotional misdirection, and look for substance.

December 1, 2016 at 9:48PM, Edited December 1, 9:48PM

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Luca, you are so spot on. I'm glad most of the readers here seem to see this infographic for the absolute heap of garbage that it is. Shock value equals PR, and the NYFA has its ugly face buried deep in that trough. Read my comment below if you care to know what I really think.

December 5, 2013 at 6:52PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Tyrone

Well said, my fingers are also crossed!

November 30, 2013 at 3:57PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Brian

Amen to you Davio. I keep my fingers crossed with you.

December 3, 2013 at 9:52AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Katemate

So you think it's cool that these days women and men are fighting each other over jobs that women don't even like to do? That relationships almost never last more than a few years because women are being indoctrinated to try and make some wuss out of their man - and when they succeed they don't like him anymore because he is now, well, not manly anymore?
Are you okay with a world where men are generally portraied as violent rapists who need to be "re-educated" by a woman to become a good human being?

December 5, 2013 at 4:59PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Heiko

Yeah, that's what I'm naively hoping, too. But the fact that the people spewing all of this vitrol, over a simple infographic, don't seem to realize they're basically proving the point that the film industry isn't particularly friendly to women, doesn't suggest a good outcome.

Well, except that I doubt most of those people actually work in the film industry, and I doubt they will get very far. The inability to consider different existences and lives and points of view, doesn't tend to translate into the ability to make great films. Unless you're working in hardcore porn, I suppose.

December 5, 2013 at 8:32PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Kris

Your second paragraph completely negates your first. It's almost as if you said nothing, except for the odd misusing of the word vitriol, which you managed to misspell.

December 1, 2016 at 9:51PM

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Gender inequality - 100% women are giving birth vs 0,00% men are giving birth. Isn't it JUST NATURAL?

November 30, 2013 at 3:17PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Natural

No, we need to change that definitely. We can't stop until everybody is totally the same as everyone else! ;)

December 5, 2013 at 4:16PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Heiko

I can't believe people still sick to studies like this like it is thorough. The error margins in these tests are high. Plus they do not account for the whole industry. On the acting tip, guys do not outnumber female actors except u are taking into account feature film Hollywood productions except.

November 30, 2013 at 3:48PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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thadon calico

Did the study factor in the disparity between males and females of exceptional IQ? Although males amd females have a similar average IQ, the disparity increases the higher one looks in the distribution chart. By IQ 145, males outnumber females. 8 to 1. I would imagine that being something like a successful film director (ie Kubrick, PTA, Tarantino, Aronofsky, Spielberg, etc) would require an exceptional IQ. This IQ disparity would also explain the disproportionate amount of the best film makers being Jewish people (ie Kubrick, Spielberg, Aronofsky, Coen brothers, etc). Also, why are most users of this website male?

December 1, 2013 at 11:54PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Pianohero

White men are smarter and preferred by God. Gender disparities in US media have nothing to do with power and greed. Directing film, TV and new media is lucrative and politically influential-- that is the only-- ONLY-- reason the profession is dominated by white males.

December 3, 2013 at 1:52AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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I'm genuinely not sure if you're being sarcastic or serious. If you're serious, you're pulling some major shit from your behind.

December 3, 2013 at 5:49AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Tyler

Your IQ argument (which you've made several times on posts about women) are inflammatory, useless, and make me want to punch myself in the face so hard that I lose enough brain function to not care about them.

“It has always seemed to be odd that we like to call the human brain the most complex known object in the Universe, yet many of us are still prepared to accept that we can measure brain function by doing a few so-called IQ tests,” Dr Highfield said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/iq-tests-are-fundamentally-fla...

December 3, 2013 at 1:45PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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V Renée
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"(...) why are most users of this website male?"

Because obviously, the secret macho male society is blocking women from reading this site!

December 5, 2013 at 5:21PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Heiko

to answer your last question, probably because women are sick of putting up with this kind of sexist garbage by assholes like yourself suggesting that women are stupid and biologically inferior to men.

I'm having a hard time with it too.

March 9, 2015 at 3:15PM

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Kory Gasser
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By "sexist garbage," are you referring to the fake news aggregated by the NYFA to promote itself-- then posted and promoted here as an "article" and "research"? Or are you simply referring to commenters following the "article" that have bîtchy attitudes, like yourself?

December 1, 2016 at 9:57PM

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They can make studies all they want, but men and women are not the same, and will never be.

For example there are hardly and women directors. Maybe it has to do with the fact that almost no women want to put up with that job? I mean you need to be positively insane to want to become a director, and there are more men who want to do it.

There are hardly any female dops/camera women - I have worked with a lot of capable women in the tv business, and they just don't seem to like to carry around a heavy camera all day. They all seem to like editing much better. What's the problem with that?

So do we really need to force women into doing stuff they don't really want to do, while not letting capable men who actually want to do that job do it?

And when you tell me how women are portrayed in movies and tv, don't even get me started... I am really sick of being shown a 110 pound sexy young girl who can knock out a bunch of heavy russian elite soldiers with her left hand. And when she's not fighting, she is also the best computer hacker in the world.

The movies and tv are already telling me that girls are superior to men in every way, because they can do everything man can do (no, even better!) plus they look better. So where is your effing problem?

I am sick of being told day in and day out that I need to be ashamed of myself for being a man - which is what this whole study and feminism in general is doing.
Don't bitch around women - if you want to be a director, fighter pilot or cameraman, then be one! If you're good at it, you'll succeed. That is how men do it. Not by bitching around and demanding quotas!

December 5, 2013 at 4:13PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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A few things:

First: Are you saying that your suspension of disbelief is broken when a woman beats up a bunch of elite soldiers and then does some hacking, but it isn't when John McClane manages to think up a perfect one-liner before he dives 20 stories through plate glass into a swimming pool after surviving a barrage of machine gun bullets fired by a billion henchmen that he just decimated single-handedly with a lasso?

Second: "Women who want to be grips? Good one! I mean you have to carry heavy stuff all the time and get your hands dirty. Have fun finding a woman who does that job for more than a day…" These kinds of remarks are what used to keep me from pursuing film work for fear of being degraded. So, before you tell women to stop bitching and just go out and work, remember that you harbor the same prejudicial views that others do in the business. You're essentially playing the "Stop hitting yourself" game -- and the only way for women to win is by either ignoring the blows, or by getting big enough that no one messes with them anymore.

Third: Rapid Fire Thoughts:
Feminist theory doesn't say men should be ashamed of themselves for being men.
Men are great.
Women are great.
Men and women are different.
Men and women are a lot alike.
The portrayal of women in films/TV leans HEAVILY on their sexuality.
I wish that it wouldn't, because there is so much more to us than our rockin' bods. We've got brains, as well, that do some pretty great things.

December 5, 2013 at 5:49PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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V Renée
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I hate articles like this. If you look at most of the males in management positions (director, producer, etc.) they are usually type-A personalities with a lot of testosterone coursing through their veins, and, who also posses the talent to do the job. Not that there aren't exceptions, but we're looking at statistics here.

To look at tallied up "dumb" numbers like these and not factor in the inherent gender and societal roles/talents/behaviors specific to the stats in question-- factors that would exist in any homo sapiens society given the damnds of this industry-- is to get alarmed over nothing more important than the fact that it's Thursday not Friday.

Does some sexism exist? Surely. But I don't think it's anywhere near what this propagandist infographic shouts it to be. In a (mostly) capitalist society here in the US, talent and hard work almost always trump race/sex and all sorts of other factors. If I was hiring a colorist or editor, I wouldn't give a shit about anything but how hard this person works, past achievements, and their talent as it relates to my project. Same for any other role. Any business owner willing to turn down the most talented potential employee because of sex/race will never be as good as his peers. Talent and hard work trumps all, even sexism.

If you're a woman don't take information like this to heart because it may just dis-empower you and could even give you a victim's complex. Stick with the notion that if you're good at what you do and you work hard enough, you can and will make it.

December 5, 2013 at 6:48PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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I made it a point in the article NOT to point the finger or place blame. I asked everyone to marinate in the numbers, because we women know that yeah, there's a huge disparity in the numbers, and yeah, THAT can be disempowering, and yeah, it's okay to talk about it, and yeah, we can totally do what we want in the business if we work hard and are good at what we do.

However, some of the mentalities shown even just in these comments are the very ones that I, as well as so many (if not all) of the female filmmakers I work with, have had to deal with when applying for jobs or stepping on set. Why do you think I go by "V" professionally? When I went with my very feminine full name, I didn't get nearly as much film work. Curiouser and curiouser...

December 6, 2013 at 4:26AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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V Renée
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This USC Annenberg school of Journo financed 'gender study' is misleading and spurious as it is based on 500 top grossing movies from 2007-2012 and does not include statistics from television, animation studios, commercials or any other industry related media ...online, music videos etc.
For a school that teaches journalism these academia skew information for their agenda, so hopped up on stats that they fail to see the big picture women out there are at work every day in all fields of the industry busting there asses. The study is clearly aimed to provoke.

December 6, 2013 at 6:19AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Zero Dark Thirty's bad mouthing and black-listing for miss-characterization of "glorification of torture" is such a prime example of not just bias but backlash against women, I am surprised it is not used as an example. Four outstanding women, three of which are in the film industry, were publicly, soundly bashed. Kathryn Bigelow, Jessica Chastain, and Producer Megan Ellison were all diminished in stature and eliminated from awards. The agent herself had gotten a bonus but not a promotion for finding Osama bin Laden. Remember, in the movie, it was the agent's Outside-the-box and Connecting-the-dots thinking that turned from torture to befriending over dinner that got the information and determined the carrier who was reported to be killed might have been incorrectly identified. It is not only the data but the interpretations that we should take into account

December 7, 2013 at 11:45AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Had to join just to say well said. Could not have put it better myself.

December 29, 2013 at 10:24AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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