June 12, 2015

This Early Footage from Blackmagic's 4.6K URSA Looks Pretty Stellar

Blackmagic URSA 4.6K Footage
In April, Blackmagic announced a host of exciting new cameras (as seems to be their ongoing April tradition).

Most excitingly, the company showcased a new 4.6K sensor with impressive dynamic range that will soon make its home in both the URSA and URSA Mini cinema cameras. In case you're wondering how exactly that sensor performs, here's some early footage, shot in 4:1 RAW with the original URSA:

To my eye, this is some of the nicest footage to come from Blackmagic's cameras to date. This is a great sign because, coming from an early pre-release version of the upgraded URSA, the capabilities of the production versions of these cameras will likely be even better. With this footage, I'm struck by the clean, naturalistic colors and skin tones, the super smooth highlight rolloff (plus the lack of blown highlights when shooting daytime interiors against a window), and the fact that there aren't any issues whatsoever when shooting directly into the sun. I'm inclined to say that Blackmagic is really starting to get the hang of this whole camera manufacturing thing, which is exciting news for independent filmmakers everywhere.

You can pre-order all of the 4.6K versions of both the URSA and the URSA Mini through B&H, and they're expected to begin shipping later in the summer, or early fall.     

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To my mind, the URSA is the perfect camera for a film school to buy for student use and training. Cheap enough to have several without a huge investment, big enough to learn to be a crew member performing designated tasks on a team without banging into each other, good image to work with in post. And cheap. Did I mention that it was cheap? Because students aren't exactly careful with gear. So it's good that it's cheap.

June 12, 2015 at 6:27PM, Edited June 12, 6:27PM

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Zan Shin
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Very good video quality, but at 5 grand, it ought to be.

June 12, 2015 at 6:36PM

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Julian Richards
Film Warlord
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You have many $5k cameras offering this much, have you? I've always said that BMD needs to charge way more for their products and steer away from the lot that mistakes them for DSLRs. These are cinema cameras with DR similar to film and 4k plus resolution in RAW and prores that other manufacturers ask $20k minimum for.

June 13, 2015 at 3:55AM

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Marko Hila
Cameraman/DOP
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There's two ways of doing business - high margin low volume and low margin high volume. I think it's pretty obvious what they're going for at that price-point. As a higher end DSLR shooter, Black Magic nailed exactly what it takes to get me out of that market. I'm certain this is the case for many others. I see literally nothing else on the market for $5k that even comes close to this offering. Plus, the 4k version at $3k is an insanely good offering as well. I gotta say, this camera is the most exciting thing to happen in the camera market for guys like me since ... ever. Black Magic - thank you for knocking this out of the park.

June 13, 2015 at 1:32PM

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Not sure what you expect for 5K?

June 13, 2015 at 6:21AM

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Jonathon Sendall
Stories
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Well, let's see; a software update from ARRI, hmmm, a couple of redmags, a monitor and a lemo cable from red, a C100 mk I from Canon (beautiful AVCHD) just to name a few. What can you get for $5k?

June 13, 2015 at 6:38AM, Edited June 13, 6:38AM

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Marko Hila
Cameraman/DOP
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I'm sort of playing Devil's Advocate here. $5 grand is a total film budget for a lot of people.

June 13, 2015 at 5:01PM

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Julian Richards
Film Warlord
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If $5K is the total film budget, a GH4 or even a GH2/GH3 should suffice to save $4K on other hardware.

June 14, 2015 at 7:54AM

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That was sort of my point. It's not as if any of those cameras will produce a POOR image, is it? It's that there's more than one definition of what makes an indie film. In one, it requires the production of the finest image possible, and it another it may be all about a lower resolution video of a drunk man fighting a dog.

June 14, 2015 at 8:34AM

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Julian Richards
Film Warlord
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The Ursa camera is a great camera with two drawbacks: the Iso value c.q. low light performance
and the use of cfast instead of SSD. cfast is a good technology but who needs ut for that price
Black magic would have sold a lot more cameras if they had used SSDs like de 4k production camera

June 12, 2015 at 6:39PM

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This is the main reason I'm sticking with my Blackmagic Production camera. I would have loved to get the URSA Mini, but cfast cards are just way too expensive.

June 12, 2015 at 7:02PM

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Andrew Abballe
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June 12, 2015 at 10:26PM

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C-Box: Wow...that...is...awesome!

June 15, 2015 at 3:47PM

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Razor
VFX Colorist
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I'm hearin you Andrew, everyone has their cutoff around price point and what their market can pay for (*please don't think I'm having a crack at the level of your client base or anything like that as the point I'm making is it's crazy to overspend on gear if you're not going to pay it off in a good amount of time with the market you work in). And of course no one likes to pony up cash for the non-sexy stuff like storage / media, but the obvious "apparent advantage" is this media is far more robust, less likely to drop frames and less likely to fail.

Reports of SSDs failing seem to be proving not as uncommon as many of us think, and in that I'm personally far more comfortable paying the extra $1-2K now for CFasts than forking out $5K+ for a reshoot and / or running the risk of damaging a relationship with a client.

Have you, or any colleagues you know had any trouble with SSDs failing / dropping frames etc? How long OR at a guestimate what are the kind of hours you're recording to SSDs on average?

June 22, 2015 at 9:47AM

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Cfast is now the standard for RAW 4k. Arri and Canon are using them too. In a few months they will cost as much as SD cards.

June 13, 2015 at 3:51AM, Edited June 13, 4:04AM

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Marko Hila
Cameraman/DOP
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More like a couple years, regular CF cards are still much more expensive than SD cards. If we're lucky it'll follow Moore's law, but in a small market like professional video and photography, I doubt we'll be seeing any huge price cuts.

June 15, 2015 at 11:45AM

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Chuck McDowell
1st AC
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Size...

August 19, 2015 at 1:29PM, Edited August 19, 1:29PM

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Wentworth Kelly
DP/Colorist/Drone Op
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I got to see the uncompressed version of this video at Cinegear at the Black Magic booth and it looks even better and sharper than the video above. However, the images seen above are from the 5,000 dollar version of the camera, not the 3,000 dollar version. The 3,000 dollar Ursa mini uses the same sensor as the old production 4k camera and has a DR of 12 stops, not 15. Another issue with the camera is that to make this camera usable, you need to spend 1200 on just media alone. So in the end, you spend 6200 on the Ursa mini and you could spend that on a used fs700 and Odyssey 7Q. You would have approximately the same dynamic range, color depth, and resolution. However, you would get the frame rates of the fs700 as well as an external recorder that you can use on other cameras. Overall a good camera, but less bang for the buck than most people believe.

June 12, 2015 at 7:14PM

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Adam Akopyan
Director of Photography
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An FS700 only has about 11 stops of range and looks video to me. I've used them several times and it really doesn't compare. Not to mention the ergonomics and build of the camera. The high frame rates also suffer from major aliasing and moire. This is a digital cinema camera compared to what they refer to the FS700 to as a "camcorder". For $6200 what other camera can really compare and give you this many options? 15 stops of range is pretty incredible, which I would say is more like 13-14 MAX, but the footage really looked like Alexa to me which is the one leading the charge with a price tag of over $65k. I've never been a huge fan of BM cameras but this has definitely caught my eye. I've also been pleasantly surprised with the Pocket camera and the way it handles colors and range. I'm not a fan of the 4k and it's sensor so if I were to go with this I'd get the 4.6k with the newer sensor. All of these new cameras are impressive honestly. Glad we have so many affordable options to put cinematic material out that can hold up on the big screen.

June 12, 2015 at 7:31PM

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Brad Watts
Filmmaker/Creative Director - Redd Pen Media
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You are absolutely correct with what your saying. However, I believe in raw, the fs700 can produce about 13-14 stops of DR and having high frame rates with some moire is better than no high frame rates above 60fps. However, all that being said, each camera is a tool and each person chooses the tool that suites them.

June 12, 2015 at 7:48PM

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Adam Akopyan
Director of Photography
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THIS is how you disagree on the internet. Well done chaps.

June 12, 2015 at 8:44PM, Edited June 12, 8:44PM

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Cassidy Hilton
Freelancer
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The FS700 has a crapy DR but it is sharp, esp in 4k via the Q7. However, the FS700 plus the q7 will set you back far worse than $6200 and it will never achieve cinema worthy pictures. The human eye sees detail as latitude (DR). Sharpness isn't even important after all. High end productions will often add blur to the final footage if it is too sharp. The only thing that truly matters is DR. Hope that helps.

June 13, 2015 at 4:24AM

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Marko Hila
Cameraman/DOP
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The FS700 (and 100) are very worth cameras for almost any kind of "budget" cinema. They are capable of incredible DR and excellent color rendering- especially compared to *any* DSLR ever made (perhaps sans the a7S). I have a feeling I know what cameras you're pitting the FS against, and to be honest, those account for about 3% of what this crowd is currently shooting with. Of course, compare the FS to the BMC Ursa Mini, and there is, no doubt, a large difference-- but the FS is a mighty respectable budget cinema camera (even 3 years on).

June 19, 2015 at 12:14AM

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Well said mate. Even Grant Perry knows that so far their best camera is the pocket at true 12.5 stops. When he introduced the Ursa 4.6k he said "whatever DR the pocket has this has at least 2 stops on top of that". So if this cam has 14.5 stops and can do 4.6k res in RAW and prores, well, this is actually a better cam than Amira at $50k. I haven't been keen on their production camera either but this new 4.6k sensor seems very promising. Those highlights are holding colour nicely and I can say that RED Epic/Scarlet can't hold it at that extent. Only ARRI so far. And this :)

June 13, 2015 at 4:17AM

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Marko Hila
Cameraman/DOP
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This footage is from the URSA not URSA Mini, coming in at $7000 not $5000.

June 12, 2015 at 9:01PM

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Clayton Arnall
Camera Pointer
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They are using the same sensor, the biggest difference between the two is their capabilities with frame rates, cooling, use of raw at those frame rates, the fact that the Ursa has a few more physical features (like its massive screen), and an up-gradable sensor for the future.

June 13, 2015 at 1:49AM

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Adam Akopyan
Director of Photography
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The URSA mini comes in 2 formats, one with the same sensor as the current 4k and one with the new fairchild 4.6k and has a lot of the features including the 15 stops of dynamic range. Out of the the 3 choices at this range ( FS7, Canon C300 mk2) the URSA mini is the cheapest option even kitting out.

June 13, 2015 at 3:55AM, Edited June 13, 3:55AM

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Definitely impressive, especially considering they only run around $5500 with PL mount. Looks very similar to Alexa besides highlight falloff. Vivid filmic colors, sharp and great range. Can't beat that 3k mini 4k package. Pro res and raw, as well as high framerates in a true super35 mm form factor much more ergonomic then a DSLR. Right now the Sony A7s runs the most bang for your buck and I would still use one for low light run n gun situations but for cinema and more organized productions, this looks like the best bet.

June 12, 2015 at 7:25PM

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Brad Watts
Filmmaker/Creative Director - Redd Pen Media
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Does blackmagic have a contract with the providers of the old sensor?
Why not use this new sensor- slap it in the 4k production body and limit the spec. Then hopefully it would rid of the vertical noise.

June 12, 2015 at 7:39PM, Edited June 12, 7:41PM

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Vincent Gortho
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They can't because then it would become a better camera than the 3000 dollar version of the Ursa Mini, image wise.

June 12, 2015 at 7:51PM

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Adam Akopyan
Director of Photography
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Except it does come with the new sensor.

June 13, 2015 at 3:57AM

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Probably my next camera, even if i'm very worried about the product delays.
It wouldn't be the first time.

June 12, 2015 at 7:51PM

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Patrick Frei
director/scriptwriter
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Not sure what people are complaining about in regards to price as these camera have specs in the Alexa/Red range and those cameras cost a whole lot more money than this. Best insight I have read about these cameras thus far can be found here http://www.onerivermedia.com/blog/?p=1410

June 12, 2015 at 8:02PM

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Brad Jones
Director/Producer/Writer/Editor
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Super sweeeeet. I wonder if you can connect it to the new 5" BM monitor and just record through sd card and still get awesome prores? I guess that could be a workaround for people concerned with cfast.

June 12, 2015 at 8:29PM

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Donovan Vim Crony
Director, DP, Editor, VFX, Sci-Fi Lover
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Hey, I see what you mean, but if you would plan on shooting simple Pro Res 422, then I'd suggest you buy 64gb CFast that goes about 200$ each instead...

June 12, 2015 at 8:39PM

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Danny T
Photographer
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doesn't this camera shoot in different sized prores formats at 444 color space?

June 13, 2015 at 1:29AM

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Vincent Gortho
none
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The new sensor shoots in 2 forms of raw prores 444 422hq and standard as well as proxy in 4k and 2k. It will also shoot in anamorphic
These are the aspect ratio from the site 4608 x 2592
4096 x 2304 (4K 16:9)
4608 x 1920 (4K 2.4:1)
3840 x 2160 (Ultra HD)
3072 x 2560 (3K Anamorphic)
2048 x 1152 (2K 16:9)
1920 x 1080

June 13, 2015 at 5:43AM

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You can only acces Pro Res at UHD resolution. Then you get:
3840 x 2160
Apple ProRes 444 XQ - 250 MB/s
Apple ProRes 444 - 165 MB/s
Apple ProRes 422 HQ - 110 MB/s
Apple ProRes 422 - 73.6 MB/s
Apple ProRes 422 LT - 51 MB/s
Apple ProRes Proxy - 22.4 MB/s

My point was, I would prefer shooting with Cfast in the camera at ProRes 422 than buy a recorder for that!

June 13, 2015 at 4:55PM

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Danny T
Photographer
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Lol, you guys can get a 128GB cfast card on Amazon (5 stars) for like $80.

I think the cfast thing is almost a non-issue. It certainly will be in no time.
http://www.amazon.com/Super-Talent-Storage-Card-FDM128JMDF/dp/B00M2JD9G4...

June 18, 2015 at 8:23PM

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This ain't a new release, that footage has been out for sometimes now on BMD website. Also.. it looks really good in low light which always been a problem for me with the BMPC4K. We will see once it's out!

June 12, 2015 at 8:49PM

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Danny T
Photographer
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Beautiful footage. Top-knots and beards, its funny how impressionable Melbourne people are. I was there a couple of months ago and in one day I saw 4 guys with perms!!! Before then I could go 4 years without seeing that many. Melbourne jump on fashion fads like nowhere else.

Back to cameras. I used to rag on Blackmagic cameras for their form and sensors, lack of updates etc but now I've come full circle and I could see myself buying one. The rolloff of the sun at the end of that video while still being able to nicely see the mother and childs faces was very impressive.

June 12, 2015 at 9:23PM

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Where is the footage download link?? Evaluate footage quality on a Vimeo or Youtube is just the dumbest think you all can do. Please STOP it!

June 12, 2015 at 10:56PM

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Tom V
CEO Velocity Studios | Since 1998
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Came here hoping to see some new footage. This has been out for a long time now accessible through their website. Would love to see more. Right now this camera is looking very promising, can't wait to try it. Never tried the BMC family of cameras, but have always had a sweet spot for the tonality, color science and subtly in grain structure.

June 13, 2015 at 1:06AM

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Vladimir Druts
Founder & Director at Intangible.co
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Wish blackmagic would kick-back on making their Raw color science so yellow. First step in my grading process- remove the toxic yellowness from all outdoor footage. Then if you lower the color temp you end up removing a shit-load of blue from the shadows.

June 13, 2015 at 1:26AM, Edited June 13, 1:26AM

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Vincent Gortho
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The extra warmth you're seeing is IR pollution, not botched color science. Make sure you've got decent IR cut in front of your glass with the Blackmagic cams, especially when using ND. I've had good results from Firecrest IRND.

June 13, 2015 at 2:38AM

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Jamie LeJeune
Director of Photography
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Thanks I'll check them out.

June 13, 2015 at 3:00AM

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Vincent Gortho
none
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Ha, that is sooo Melbourne. I've been everywhere in that short, except for the skatepark towards the end. Williamstown, Po'Boy Quarter in Fitzroy, Centre Place's cafés, an Aeropress (hinting at the Melburnian coffee obsession), Little Bourke Street in Chinatown...what a great city! Footage looks fantastic - who shot it?

June 13, 2015 at 5:52AM, Edited June 13, 5:52AM

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Guido Gautsch
Education Person
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Thanks, i did. The skatepark is in St Kilda. I moved to Melbourne last year so its sort of my impression of the city so far. :P

June 13, 2015 at 10:09AM

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CaptainHook
Frequency Wrangler
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Welcome to Melbourne in that case — you've captured her beautifully!

June 15, 2015 at 7:48AM

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Guido Gautsch
Education Person
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I hear bmd cameras dont have optical low pass filters. How much moire are people seeing on their previous cameras? I do like thw subtle softening on the alexa and red. Any thoughts on the drawbacks or things to be wary of with no olpf? Like the look of this camera just dont want to return to moire aliasing land

June 13, 2015 at 6:58AM

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Dean Butler
Writer Director Shooter Editor
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I've shot a few BMD cameras never really notice moire

June 13, 2015 at 12:51PM

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Charles C.
Editor/ Director/ Director of Photography/ Wannabe Thinker
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Does the old 4ksensor sensor in the upgradable ursa perform better in regards to patterned noise?
Hopefully it will perform better in the ursa mini.. even when lifting the shadows.

June 13, 2015 at 8:22AM, Edited June 13, 8:22AM

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Vincent Gortho
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I want to see this in 4K! I really wanted to buy this body but to me the footage looks like shit. My sony f3 w slog kills this image. I was hoping for something great. Looks like it can't handle low light worth shit either. I was super stoked about this camera... Plans just changed... Im going scarlet dragon 6k.. Thanks for this post. One Love

June 13, 2015 at 11:49AM

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Kyle Lamar
Director Producer DP
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You're clearly trolling. Right? Nothing you said is true.

June 13, 2015 at 12:50PM

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Charles C.
Editor/ Director/ Director of Photography/ Wannabe Thinker
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Plz I have been in the game 20 years. Get out of here rookie

June 13, 2015 at 1:13PM

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Kyle Lamar
Director Producer DP
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Your work speaks for itself!

June 13, 2015 at 1:14PM

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Kyle Lamar
Director Producer DP
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As does yours bud.

June 13, 2015 at 4:45PM, Edited June 13, 4:45PM

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Stephen Herron
Writer/Director
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OK Stephen Herron like your the shit at being a director big mouth. I bet you never even touched a camera cause you a writer... I am in the streets everyday grinding my ass off in Htown to make it in this biz. I have the right to my opinion on gear bc I have been buying it since 95. I have spent money with sony and bmc so I can say what it is. I have shot on every major camera in the industry you could ever think off film or digital. You Stephen are the exact troll that charles is speaking off. Trust that..

June 13, 2015 at 9:17PM

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Kyle Lamar
Director Producer DP
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Plz send me a link to your work... I would love to check your directing skills out... I can't find you anywhere on the net.. I pretty good with google bud

June 13, 2015 at 9:22PM, Edited June 13, 9:39PM

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Kyle Lamar
Director Producer DP
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Guys! Guys! Guuyyyss! ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW5SRnZ8y2Y

:-)

June 13, 2015 at 10:51PM

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Donovan Vim Crony
Director, DP, Editor, VFX, Sci-Fi Lover
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I Love you for posting this!!! Everything Blessed Now..

June 14, 2015 at 1:50AM

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Kyle Lamar
Director Producer DP
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Google doesn't seam to pop up with much of you either my friend. Such a weird insult considering you're in the same boat

June 14, 2015 at 12:46AM

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Charles C.
Editor/ Director/ Director of Photography/ Wannabe Thinker
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Plz Charles my link is everywhere on nfs. Go to my profile and all my links are there (YT, Vimeo) and my website HDPUBLICATIONS.com. You hiding your work is a joke... I bet u haven't done a lick of work.. Maybe a pa position at best. Send me a link troll. So I can laugh my balls off! I am a nice guy and work great w everyone on set. I comment on cameras that I work w on a day to day basis.. Free country.. You are the troll that causes beef on this site. "You're clearly trolling. Right? Nothing you said is true." Look at the low light shots on this camera... LOL... Like it or hate it, don't be a p hole... And I was not directing my comment to your work... It was in general. I could break this whole video down by frames and tell u the issues. Also a good idea to look at my work before you talk shit.. #Htown

June 14, 2015 at 2:19PM, Edited June 14, 2:19PM

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Kyle Lamar
Director Producer DP
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I've only been a PA once actually on a Sony picture film coming out this summer.

June 15, 2015 at 4:03PM

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Charles C.
Editor/ Director/ Director of Photography/ Wannabe Thinker
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You got called a "troll" and went on a rant trying to explain how superior you are to a few NFS members... insecure?

July 24, 2015 at 9:25AM

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Dre Kahmeyer
Director
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Most of my work is private because my clients pay me to keep it private. Time in an industry does not make you better than anyone else and to think it does is VERY ignorant. I watched your reel and I'm sorry but it felt average. Crazy to think you've been in the industry 20 years and you can't talk to your peers with a bit more respect.

June 14, 2015 at 12:42AM, Edited June 14, 12:46AM

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Charles C.
Editor/ Director/ Director of Photography/ Wannabe Thinker
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Get the fux out here. Send me anything? And u sir are not a peer but simply a troll. Stop starting beef over an opinion Charles. My work has been on MTV, MTV2 and VH1... Directing credits... Link Plz?

June 14, 2015 at 2:23PM, Edited June 14, 2:37PM

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Kyle Lamar
Director Producer DP
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I'm not the one here insulting people lol you are sir. Like I said to Island you want a private link I have no problem sharing it with you.

June 15, 2015 at 3:49PM

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Charles C.
Editor/ Director/ Director of Photography/ Wannabe Thinker
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LOL, your clients pay you to keep it private lol , what are you into porn? If you can't show your work then keep quiet internet Gangster. Didn't your mom tell you if you have nothing good to say to keep quiet.

June 14, 2015 at 3:17PM

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Island Dred
DP
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Yes she did and I disagreed with it when she said it lol. If you and Kyle want a link to my private reels I'll gladly share them with you. Internet gangster? Really???

June 15, 2015 at 3:48PM

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Charles C.
Editor/ Director/ Director of Photography/ Wannabe Thinker
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Email is colemance@me.com btw. Want a link I'll be waiting

June 15, 2015 at 3:53PM

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Charles C.
Editor/ Director/ Director of Photography/ Wannabe Thinker
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Email sent. Stop your shit talking or grow a pair and put your work up. BTW my email is pretty easy to find.. yours is nowhere

June 15, 2015 at 5:49PM

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Kyle Lamar
Director Producer DP
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I had the same wicked thought as you. Maybe he works under the alias of Ivor Bigwon or something like that. Wouldn't it be funny if everyone on this site was actually secretly just a pornographer?
There's rather too much talk here about "realistic skin tones". Just saying...

June 15, 2015 at 4:45PM, Edited June 15, 4:55PM

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Julian Richards
Film Warlord
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email me and the work is yours to view. Not sure what the hate would be if I was a pornographer those directors are still very much filmmakers. Just not my line of work by a longshot

June 15, 2015 at 8:19PM

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Charles C.
Editor/ Director/ Director of Photography/ Wannabe Thinker
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Lots of us can't show all our work due to NDAs. It just shows Charles is a trusted operator by his clients. Not an "Internet Gangstar".

June 15, 2015 at 8:47PM

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Funny, I thought the polar opposite. I find the FS7 has a strikingly video quality to the motion cadance and think this footage is quite filmic in contrast, great tonality and picks up the shadows quite well.

June 14, 2015 at 3:11PM

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Vladimir Druts
Founder & Director at Intangible.co
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Blackmagic seems to get better with each release -- how do they stay so affordable?

June 13, 2015 at 12:30PM

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Jeff Payne
Writer/Director
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Because all the other manufacturers are simply over pricing their products. The tech in something like the Alexa is not worth $60k. It's sells for that much due to artificial market-dynamics, and psychological "exclusivity".

June 13, 2015 at 3:21PM

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BMD should have educational pricing since someone mentioned it was the perfect camera for film schools. Knock a few hundred off for valid students (I'm not one) is a sure way to gain market share, help the cinema community and save a struggling student who may already be straddled with education debt. Just a thought.

June 13, 2015 at 1:36PM, Edited June 13, 1:36PM

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Gilly
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I think their pricing is already helping the cinema community.

June 13, 2015 at 1:56PM

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Agreed!

June 13, 2015 at 3:10PM

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Donovan Vim Crony
Director, DP, Editor, VFX, Sci-Fi Lover
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More than agree...

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Kayode
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Color me impressed. BM you did some good, now deliver the stuff complete and on time.

June 13, 2015 at 8:49PM

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Terma Louis
Photographer / Cinematographer / Editor
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Blackmagic is no longer as close to the bottom of my list as they once were, that spot is now for RED and Canon.

June 14, 2015 at 3:04AM

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Peter Phillips
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Indeed. Im currently looking at the c300mk ii, but no slow mo at 4k holding me back. Red dragon (i already have a scarlet so just need a brain, have all the accessories) i think ill definitely rent this to see if it could work for our business. Was hoping to get an a cam that could go on a ronin though...

June 14, 2015 at 6:10AM

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Dean Butler
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I'm selling my RED for the Ursa Mini (dependent on more footage releases), so I couldn't agree more. I still think RED does amazing things (If you've ever worked with redcode, it's a dream!) but I just can't keep up with their pricing structures constantly changing. Canon is almost wantonly obtuse in the way they handle their products and prices. Has anyone out there worked with both redcode and cinemaDNG raw in Premiere/after effects? What's your take? It's the only thing I'm hesitant about.

June 15, 2015 at 1:45PM

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Ian Mora
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June 15, 2015 at 1:45PM, Edited June 15, 1:46PM

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Ian Mora
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I agree redcode rocks. It's the best thing about RED, also the footage doesn't look too sharp (I'm looking at you Sony) even though it resolves quite a lot of detail. But yeah I'm with you on RED prices. Am impressed by Dragon though and considering I have most the bits, may look at a second hand scarlet dragon or epic.

June 21, 2015 at 5:17AM

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Dean Butler
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The camera offers so much for the money. It is a waste that they used Cfast and that the ISO value is so so. Cfast is a great technology, but at a stellar price. The 4k professional camera is doing ok with SSD.
HOPE YOU GUYS FROM BLACK MAGIC READ THIS

June 14, 2015 at 10:51AM

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Very impressive, especially when you consider that this camera is $6000. Even just five years ago that was a pipe dream.

Let's hope that BM doesn't shoot themselves in the foot as usual by missing their release date and makes sure the camera is bullet proof before shipping.

If it delivers as promised I would be very interested in buying one of these.

June 14, 2015 at 9:37PM, Edited June 14, 9:37PM

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No black sun anymore?
I looks like BMD is getting better and better with the colorscience :-)
The video looks beautiful, although that is as always also in the hands of the colorist.
At 4:1 RAW what datarates/ file sizes are we talking about?

June 15, 2015 at 5:27AM

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WalterBrokx
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I am not impressed by your performance

June 15, 2015 at 12:53PM

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Kaster Troy
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Said the actress to the bishop

June 18, 2015 at 12:11PM

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Julian Richards
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None of what I have to say is intended as a criticism of anyone but...
You guys are always chasing the very best video images, you are all passionate about that, and that's great but at what point, in purely commercial terms, is a video image GOOD ENOUGH. Artistically, the term has no meaning for you, but at what point does video quality make no difference to the person sitting in a cinema watching your film? Making something commercially, at what point would the person paying the bills say, "No, I don't want you spending any more of my money getting the image any better"?
To quote myself from Twitter, "Many film makers use the phrase "Every frame a Monet", but never "Every line a Shakespeare" #everyframeapainting #filmmaking"
All the cameras discussed here are wonderful wonderful machines but I have seen YouTube videos of comparatively low spec cameras with old lenses and have thought to myself, if I can shoot video as good as that, I'll be a happy man.

June 15, 2015 at 5:47PM

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Julian Richards
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Here's a better pseudo wise saying. If you don't care to purchase new tech. Don't buy it. Leave it to the people with interest and money to do so- without pretentious faux concern from other artist.

June 15, 2015 at 6:52PM

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Vincent Gortho
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I certainly didn't intend to be pretentious. It was just my thoughts about how people in this thread seem to be willing to go to pistols at dawn over cameras.

June 16, 2015 at 4:27AM

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Julian Richards
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While you are not wrong, most of the people here are DOPs and Cinematographers, its there job to fuss over images.

February 27, 2017 at 11:25AM

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Kayode
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Isn't this the exact same footage that was released during NAB a couple months ago?

June 16, 2015 at 6:55PM

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Ryan Simmons
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I'm now going to sort of backtrack on what I had said earlier. The UK price is about 2.3 grand and whilst I won't be buying one anytime soon, I can see that people may want to go for one. I wonder what people think about the separate viewfinder for £1000. I can see the cost of accessories mounting up so it would still not be a purchase to be taken lightly.

June 18, 2015 at 8:15AM

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Julian Richards
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I'm smiling, I'm fucking smiling at this camera footage, for the first time in years. The last scenes are why I wanted to do cinematography. It has been a long time, 13 or so years, nudging and convincing manufactures to do a low end camera this good. Even Red has not done this in a cheap camera.

Now from the shots.. if we only had 20 stops in a pocket 4kp50 version. :)

Wayne Morellini

June 20, 2015 at 9:28AM

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Wayne M
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