August 29, 2017 at 5:36PM, Edited August 29, 5:41PM

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VEGAS PRO 15 has been released and it's a major step forward

I have no idea why VEGAS PRO does not get any love on this site. It's one of the most powerful NLEs out there. Seriously. I get that it had been stagnating for years under SONY, but that is over now. Why, in the one year and a half period in which MAGIX has taken the helm, VEGAS has progressed more than it did under SONY in the last seven years. And oh yeah, currently it renders faster than Premiere 2017, using Intel QSV and the GPU at the same time. Check it out!
http://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/fileadmin/user_upload/products/vega...

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That video alone should tell you why no one uses it...

August 30, 2017 at 4:18PM

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Ummm, do elaborate please.

August 31, 2017 at 4:21AM

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Cosmin Gurau
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Well the video itself is poorly made. Looks like an awful corporate video.

They also don't go in depth to explain what actually sets it apart. They kind of just described a generic NLE. I mean it talked about the QSV rendering but that really doesn't set it apart. All NLEs are pretty fast. I use Adobe, FCP, and Resolve on a daily basis and speed is rarely a problem. Even if I am pumping out a 4K PR4444 HDR, it still has never been a bother.

There's just no good excuse here for me to drop industry standard software and try to convince my whole office that Vegas is where it's at.

I even started on Vegas but now it just isn't a good fit for me.

August 31, 2017 at 11:15AM, Edited August 31, 11:15AM

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And you're telling me you don't miss the blazing fast, intuitive editing interface? :) The extremely-powerful audio capabilities? The compositing features? Sure you do. Get out of here :)))

Of course once you get used to something else (which does come with its set of advantages besides being a industry standard -which Premiere only kind of recently became btw) you don't wanna look back and try to get the best out of everything. You just wanna work with the same tool everybody is working with.

Fun fact, I started on Premiere actually, back in 2003. A mate recommended VEGAS PRO and I was HOOKED.

I've tried to adapt to Premiere COUNTLESS times. Mainly because of people harassing me over not using "a standard". I am so sorry, but it just feels inferior, in most ways that matter to me. I keep asking people "how do you do that" "hey where can I change the setting so that it does that" and people keep telling me "well you can't do that-wait, you CAN in Vegas?" "oh, there is no setting for that, sorry" "oh, you have to use Audition".

It boggles my mind that people think VEGAS PRO is just some tiny little software that videographers and gamers use instead of Movie Maker or iMovie (I really think SONY is to blame for that), when instead it's probably the most powerful and customizable NLE out there. Davinci is making some strides too, no doubt about it. But last time I tested their brand new Fairlight audio system, it just would not work at all. And pity that when they introduced the editing capabilities they went for a Premiere-like experience instead of making it simple, intuitive and FAST.

I've been using VEGAS PRO since 2004 (professionally since 2010), and I haven't met another piece of software as capable. I also think that it's important to have a challenger to the current king of the "prosumer-professional" NLE market, that also sports a different kind of an approach, one that I feel makes much more sense and provides more power to the user. If MAGIX, this rather small German company will be able to deliver such a thing in the form of VEGAS PRO, it remains to be seen. IMHO, they are doing a pretty decent job so far. Look. The more they improve the software and pull it out of the ditch SONY had left it in for almost a DECADE, the more ballsy and confident they will be with their promo materials too. I agree they need to drastically improve on that front as well. Glad to have a proper discussion with you, Andrew.

August 31, 2017 at 10:51PM

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Cosmin Gurau
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"And you're telling me you don't miss the blazing fast, intuitive editing interface? :) The extremely-powerful audio capabilities? The compositing features? Sure you do. Get out of here :)))"

Again, all NLEs can do this. I don't get what's the point you're still trying to make. If Vegas can output a feature 4KPR4444 in less than a hour then MAYBE I would believe that these speeds are blazing.
I don't know what's so difficult figuring out Premiere, Avid, FCP and Resolve? WHat's not intuitive about it? If you truly are stumped then there are a million resources on the internet to figure out a solution quickly because so many people use these programs.

I'm just having a hard time understanding why you exhaust so much energy on this site trying to make it seem like Vegas is the alpha program. If it truly was more people would be using it in a professional setting but people aren't.

At my job there is a freelancer that we avoid hiring because he refuses to use another NLE than Vegas. It screws up our workflow and makes everything difficult. Why would we hire that guy when we have editors that have the ability to edit on various NLEs and cater to our workflows.
Do you have issues when clients/companies have to online your projects that aren't local?

September 1, 2017 at 12:14PM

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No, not all NLEs can do what VEGAS PRO can. Premiere can't do automatic crossfades, which are the single most important thing when doing proper audio work fast. VEGAS has a PLAY from cursor functionality, which is immensely helpful for checking your edit is perfect without having to manually move the cursor every single god damn time. VEGAS has overall a better, faster cutting interface, that is universally praised. You simply can't contradict me on that. VEGAS can apply effects on the media level, the event level, the track level and the master level. And you know what, the list can go on, like a lot...

Yes, VEGAS was the "alpha" NLE, in many ways. It was WAY ahead of its time when it first got released. FCP and Premiere implemented after years and years what VEGAS had from the very first version. Again, unfortunately, it did not have a chance to solidify itself as a standard because at some point SONY began marketing it as a tool for prosumers that came with your SONY camera. They also did not bother to port it to Macs.

It surely must have puzzled you why that freelancer refuses to use any other NLE but VEGAS. Maybe he's onto something, huh. I know why I do it. Not because I don't want to learn using a new piece of software. I do that *all* the time. I literally use close to a hundred programs and plugins, for video / audio / 3D / compositing / photography / etc. It's just that I get frustrated when something so easy and fast and powerful and intuitive cannot be done without resorting to a clunky workaround. And yes, I'll agree VEGAS PRO also has moments when you have to use clunky workarounds. Just not in areas that are so goddamn essential to speedy and precise editing. That's why I want more people to give it a chance and use it, so that the software may grow more and more. This new team that is behind it, even if small, are really working hard to breathe new life into this program.

I don't have a problem if you don't like VEGAS, man. I have a problem when people attack it for no reason, more often than not, without knowing what they are talking about. VEGAS PRO is an underdog right now. No Film School always seemed to root for underdogs. Which is why it puzzles me that there are literally 0 articles about it. It literally is an indie filmmaker's best friend.

September 1, 2017 at 3:09PM

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Cosmin Gurau
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Pros do use vegas, in addition I use Vegas, it may not be your choice, but it is mine. I hate Premiere and love Vegas, but the difference is, I don't impugn the skills of others who make choices different than my choice. Likely the problem is that you don't know how to use it? but All big NLE including the competition for Vegas do 90% of the same thing. Vegas has superior audio tools which are important to me, likely others use a separate program.

September 1, 2017 at 2:11PM, Edited September 1, 2:11PM

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I've been using Vegas since 2002. I absolutely love the UI compared to other NLEs. This new version is quite a bit faster than previous versions, especially if your computer uses nVidia graphics cards. ( some users are seeing MP4 rendering times that are 10x faster than the previous version when using a special nVidia MP4 CODEC ) I also noticed that the Cineform CODEC runs a lot faster with this new version.

Vegas Pro 15 can natively edit GH5 10-bit files which is a big deal for me, as GH5 10-bit has become my standard shooting format.

September 3, 2017 at 12:37PM, Edited September 3, 12:39PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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And still, nobody has ever written a piece on VEGAS PRO on this site. Ever. They have articles about everything. Even some that are basically silly jokes about the cinema industry. They even wrote about Catalyst Edit :))))) I mean, COME ON.
http://nofilmschool.com/2015/04/meet-catalyst-sonys-brand-new-nle-media-...

I'm beginning to think this is intentional. Either that or every single writer here is a mac owner that never uses Windows.

September 3, 2017 at 1:49PM

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Cosmin Gurau
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I'm still using Vegas pro 12, now complimented by Resolve 12.5 and 14, I'm waiting for 14 to have its audio bug fixed, but frankly these two software are amazing. I started Vegas back on version 7 and frankly there isn't anything it can't do. By the way, Vegas used with Sound Forge can't be beaten. I think there is some snob factor going on here. People think they'll look like pros depending on which application they use, and for some reason FCP, AVID, a Premiere seem to be "pro". As far as I'm concerned, the results is what makes something pro or not, not what was used to make it. Vegas is totally amazing and I"m about to upgrade to 15.

September 6, 2017 at 8:27AM, Edited September 6, 8:27AM

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I can't speak for everyone who writes for NFS (there are writers around the world), but the office runs on 4 iMacs, and almost all of the freelancers uses Macs.

Windows is gaining ground in motion picture post, but it's just not there yet, and even the windows folks i know use software that goes back and forth (Avid, Premiere, Resolve). I suspect mostly they like to keep their skills current enough they can bounce from facility to facility, and most facilities are still Mac.

We try and avoid writing about things we don't know: even if I haven't used every feature in a new update of Premiere, I use Premiere enough that I understand the updates and how they will impact day to day use.

I just literally don't know a single person using Vegas professionally in the LA/NY/STL markets I know best. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, I just don't know folks personally who are making a living on it.

However, it's noted and we'll ping our windows based writers to see if anyone has a vegas background and can write about updates.

September 6, 2017 at 9:08AM

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Charles Haine
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Thank you for your honest answer.

I believe that if VEGAS PRO is to go up in popularity, it should definitely find a way to be ported to Macs as well. After the modernization process will have reached a certain point, and VEGAS will be in a stable, functional and efficient form, MAGIX will have the entire blueprint for a KILLER NLE. Most probably, large sections of code will be re-written from the ground up. That would allow not only important optimizations, but also an easier porting to other operating systems, most notably the Mac OS.

The really good thing about all this is the fact that the aforementioned tipping point is closer than ever now! And that is SIGNIFICANT, since it was only in May last year that people thought the decaying VEGAS PRO was done for, and that there was never going to be a version 14. Not only was there a V14, but we are now looking at a shiny new, sleek looking version 15, that is already capable of rendering faster than Adobe Premiere.

I urge you No Film School fellas to give it a try when you can. Experience its incredibly intuitive and POWERFUL interface and write about it. I think VEGAS PRO can be a valuable tool in any filmmaker's arsenal.

September 6, 2017 at 2:20PM

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Cosmin Gurau
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Sony contemplated porting Vegas Pro to Macs, but it meant a complete code-base rewrite, so it was sold off to MAGIX while Sony focused on their new Catalyst line of production tools.

September 7, 2017 at 2:10PM

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Guy McLoughlin
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I'll add that Vegas has been great for me since 2009. I've used Premiere and FCP briefly, but not recently enough to comment on their latest iterations. I'm open to using anything and know editors who have said lots of good things about all of them (and Avid, which I also used many years ago), but Vegas seems to be consistently the best combination of easy to use and powerful. Able to ingest lots of codecs, quickly and easily manipulate footage, etc. I remember an article here a few years ago saying how Premiere was adding event level effects, something Vegas has had for years. It's intuitive stuff like that that I love about Vegas, and Magix is making big improvements on it and are much more responsive to customers than Sony was.

If I was working for a company or on a film I would definitely want to learn whatever software they use and know you can make anything great either virtually any editing software. I'm not saying Premiere or FCP are bad in any way, though I know of users with vocal complaints about them (and I really dislike Premiere being a paid license software).

I just want to raise awareness of what Vegas can do and get more people who it would benefit to use it. The more Vegas users out there, the more empowered editors there are to support expanding the software, and it's so underknown right now. The marketing should definitely be improved.

September 10, 2017 at 4:05PM

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Angelo Mike
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just curious, I am still using Sony Vegas Pro 13, didn't see a need to upgrade to 14, still don't see a need to upgrade to 15. Just wondering if either v14 or v15 contains any must have upgrade for you? I realize that this is subjective and there are some things easier, but when you use it for years, you learn ways to make things happen like having 4 screens at once, now automatic function, but I can do it easily in 13 so need more compelling reasons, if I were buying new instead of being a long time user, then would be a no brainier to buy the newer versions.

September 10, 2017 at 8:23PM

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If you have a recent Nvidia Card (and a recent Intel processor), you can render something that used to take 52 seconds in Sony AVC mp4 into a very similar format (Magix AVC mp4) in 7 seconds. :) How 'bout that reason? If you do have the aforementioned hardware, you will also have much smoother playback on the timeline when dealing with AVC files. The software is much, much prettier. The render dialog is better. You can now selectively paste event attributes. There is now an in-built LUT plugin (not yet GPU accelerated, tho). You can now do one-click freeze frames, and they introduced a new customizable menu that shows up on all the events. Vegas Pro 15 is definitely not what I would call a finished product, but it definitely is a MAJOR step forward. From VEGAS 14. From VEGAS 13, it's a LEAP. Try it out for yourself.

September 11, 2017 at 4:01PM

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Cosmin Gurau
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I think this is an immensely interesting topic. I used Sony Vegas back around version 9. When Adobe CC came out I instantly made the switch. I don't understand the Vegas vs. Premiere argument because none of the reasons I use Premiere have to do with Premiere at all. I use premiere because for $52.99 per month I get Adobe Premiere, Audition (which is much more advanced than the integrated sound editing in Vegas), After Effects, Photoshop, Encore and Media Encoder. The ability to edit an effects heavy shot in After effects and play it back in real-time in Premiere without rendering anything is great. The same way, without saving a project as a picture file, I can import a Photoshop project into After Effects, animate it, and put it in Premiere without having to render anything. I can change the color or shape of any object in Photoshop, and within seconds, Premiere has an updated version ready to watch. When it comes down to it, this type of integration with software I would use regardless of my NLE, is the most important aspect of my life as an editor. I understand why those who only need an NLE use Vegas, but when you are using all these other Adobe products, why would you use Vegas? Seems like a hassle.

September 12, 2017 at 6:21PM

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