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A Rig for Filming with Two Cameras at the Same Time... Sure, Why Not?

09.10.12 @ 2:45PM Tags : , , , , ,

Every once in a while I see a filmmaking product, and I can’t help but think “why didn’t I think of that?” due to the genius in the simplicity. Well, today is one of those days. Take a look at the new Cinemecanix C1-PRO-RIG, a two-level rig that allows you to film with two cameras simultaneously. See it in action in the video below.

 

[Update]: Apparently the video is not showing the real intended purpose of the rig:

Well, as some of you might have thought… This was done as a joke… Could work in certain situations, of course pulling focus on a 16mm lens after 3 feet is useless as you are at infinity. Never mind this rig is perfectly balanced and you can film anything from a red One, epic, anything you can throw at it.
The main reason for this rig is to get your camera steady and also behaving like a heavier cam. Freeing your hands to focus, but most importantly to follow the rythm of what you are filming, having 100% of your brain concentrating on framing and not struggling with trying to hold up the weight with your arms… Check out the tutorial on youtube…How to use a shoulder rig from Lights Film School.
As for getting you guys and galls to talk about Cinemecanix…mission accomplished.
Specs on the C1, 5.6 lbs without the counter-weight and the shoulder pad will adjust to hug your shoulder!

From Cinescopophilia:

Cinemecanix is now on the camera gear scene with their engineered accessories, gear and camera systems to help fit, adapt and simplify the filming and shooting process…. Cinemecanix rigs can handle the little cameras such as DSLR’s right up to ARRI Alexas and RED cameras with large lenses on. Check out the Cinemecanix shoulder rigs, especially the 2 camera rig for 2 different size camera lenses allowing you to get 2 shots, 2 takes, 2 frames when shooting.


Personally, I’m a bit skeptical that you would want to put an Alexa or RED camera on the upper tier of this rig, but I really like it for DSLR setups. I mean the video really does sell it for me (as does that saucy 70′s music!). Just imagine getting both your wide OTS and medium or CU in one take. That’s appealing to the continuity supervisor/continuity freak side of me. And as I’ve previously written, I’m interested in gear that could potentially amplify the “run and gun” or organic style of filmmaking.

Considering how cheap DSLR’s can be (and the fact that, let’s face it, about everyone and their brother has one), it shouldn’t be hard to find a couple of compatible camera/lens combos making it a 2 to 4 camera shoot. However, at $2170 for the C1 and $1875 for the C2 (the C2 being more lightweight and compact), the price point for the rig itself isn’t exactly cheap. But then again many rigs start over the $1000 mark anyway.

Have you ever done this sort of a double-decker setup before? Would you be interested in trying it out?

Link: Cinescopophilia – Cinemecanix Rig For Filming with 2 Cameras at the Same Time

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  • I’ll bet pulling focus could be a nightmare for this, but hey, shooting two cameras at once worked really well for THE ROOM, right?

    • HAHAHAHA yess

    • Not really, 3d cameras are basically 2 cameras. Just hook up 2 follow focuses to one remote, sync them perfectly

    • You guys have never had it so good…1958 at the age of 18 I was the focus and clapper on a cinemascope shoot in Monty Carlo. The camera was a 35mm wild Arri with the ‘scope lens perched in front of the Arri lens…no link between the two…think about pulling focus on the tiny Arri lens then the huge pull on the ‘scope lens… subject matter was a 5 year old girl, a little old lady and a kitten..due to be given to Princes Grace for her kids…nobody hit their marks except the kitten!

      Never saw rushes for two weeks…I hid at the back of the theater when they were screened….I got away with it!

  • Richie Vale on 09.10.12 @ 2:53PM

    and for $2000 more dollars, you’ll be able to have two monitors and two follow focuses!!! dont forget the remote stop & starts & finding a great place to set this down and swap out two CF cards at the same time!!

  • Oh, Joe, that’s EXACTLY what I was thinking. :-D

    • I want to see some BTS footage with two focus pullers scrambling to stay on either side of the camera operator, sped up and to the theme of Benny Hill :-)

      • : D I had no idea that “The Room”, the fine wine that it is, was filmed with both a 35mm and a HD cam. That’s just wonderful – it’s a gift that keeps on giving.

        Yeah, I would hope that you’d have your focus deep enough to be able to move about freely without being tied to an AC, which is the intention behind this.

        • Of course – I think I’d be more comfortable with two camcorders side by side over DSLRs. For the budget-minded, I’ll bet you could add an extra set of rails and DSLR stand onto an existing shoulder rig for a lot less. Regardless, still a cool concept.

          If you’ve ever wondered why THE ROOM was often just-out-of-focus and the framing/angle seemed just a bit off – well, that’s only part of it.

  • This is really awesome. I do a lot of videos for DJ’s and I usually film as a one-man show. Thing is I have to film around f1.4 given the low-light of most venues, and could see focusing being a bitch with this thing. Still though, I’d love to give this thing a try!

  • I take it that you can’t apply the 30 degree rule with this?

    • I would assume not. However, since you’re shooting at the same exact time, does the 30 deg rule still apply since it’s not technically a jump cut? I did a mind’s-eye edit watching the video above, and a cut-in on those angles wouldn’t really bother me too much.

  • Solution for those saying focus will be an issue….shoot with a deeper DOF. DSLRs made us obsessed with shooting shallow, yet movies don’t do that.

    This is pretty cool to me.

  • This, or you could just buy a RED and punch in the res.

  • I have a homemade rig that does that. It can even position the other camera at an horizontal offset.

  • Sico van der Plas on 09.10.12 @ 5:49PM

    I’ve tested this rig on IBC, and it’s the best i’ve tried in years.
    It’s so soft, and not even heavy, it is balanced PERFECTLY, i can let loose of the handels without a camera falling off, the padding is super soft, and you can mount RED’s on the top plate on the shoulder level and smaller ones on the smaller plate in the front, also the part where you can mount it on the tripod is GENIUS.

    It costs alot but this is a rig that will outlive the filmmaker and you can pass it on to your grandson.

    • Sico van der Plas on 09.10.12 @ 5:51PM

      I have to add, that this rig won’t give you a broken back after 8 hours of shooting, the balancing can be adjusted, plates can be adjusted, it’s high quality materials, and the maker is a very nice guy (on IBC atleast)

      There is also alot more, and they are hand made (not mass produced).

      • Thanks for coming by at IBC I’m happy you understood the real value of this best selling rig at IBC. We will be at Photokina and Cinec in September and we are looking forward to meet more filmmakers at NAB 2013.

        Many tv crews are already using the C1 and it is being sold in more than 50 countries thru Dedo Weigert Film in Germany. Look for an up coming article in Film and Digital Times as Jon Fauer has been very impressed with the quality and balance of this Rig. We have had many rental houses inquiring and confirming the C1 will be available for rental. The C1 has managed to put countless grins on the faces of those who put it on their shoulder, including Jean-Pierre Beauviala (wikipedia…look him up).

        Thanks again for the king words.

        Eric Auclair

  • Been doing a 2 camera set up for a Steadicam Pilot for a while now..https://vimeo.com/46611334…I use it professionally ( yeah not just I can do it tricks ) for weddings since May. On event or docu work, getting two shots with one rig is a huge deal. I dont know why not so many people have done it yet considering DSLRs and ILCs have been very small but very high quality lately. I would’nt have gotten the couples exit both wide then cut to close up as they are throwing the flowers on this one if it wasnt for the dual camera set up. https://vimeo.com/44190526

    • By the way for the focus issues, my rig above works because i have the full time sony autofocus on during video recording. Yeah, use technology as it arrives..dont get caught up to doing averything manual just because its “more pro”. Yes there will be times when you NEED to do all manual, but on some instances..using auto is extremely useful, especially for things without a take 2.

  • Jump cut waiting to happen

  • I’ve already done this o a $80 camera plate mounted on a manfrotto fluid head monopod shooting with GH-1 and Af100. Also It allowed me to run 4 tracks of audio (2 on radio mics).
    It was for a documentary I shot and documenting the return of a holocaust survivor to his home town Bardejov, Slovakia and in Auschwitz, Poland.
    I question why you would pay so much to mount 2 DSLR’s when multi camera mounting plates are already out there for much less.

  • “why haven’t I thought of this before?” because its a horrible idea, thats just sloppily trying to speed up the shooting process which doing so the work will inevitably and surely suffer. There are some possible useful applications though i’ll admit, but pretty much ridiculous

  • Bah, I did this ages ago, just modified a red rock rig and it was easy but very very heavy.

    https://vimeo.com/15098457

  • Might be necessary to add that it was done completely as a joke….

    • Too late, just built your rig in the time between comments.

      • Haha, hope you’ve have health insurance, my shoulder and back were big red welts after an hour with that thing.. Heavy!

        • It’s what news shooters have been dealing with for years, some of those Sony Beta cameras were unbelievably heavy (and still are if you’re like me and you freelance at a small station that is stuck in SD).

          • It’s a sad fact that now my ‘portable’ gear setup weights about 50kgs. People just want more and more and more and I just keep stuffing it in and stuffing it in. Crazy.

  • Nothing NEW here. When Jerry Brown was running for the Democratic nomination for President, in 1976, he filmed a one hour speach.

    The Secret Service wanted to keep people off the film stage, for security reasons. To cut down on the number of people on the set, there were two Mitchell BNCR cameras on each gearhead. It’s been 36 years since I worked on this shoot, but I think there were three sets of cameras on three dollys. The 1st ACs were only allowed on set to make magazine changes, they did NOT pull focus. They had rented the stage next door, and the Camera, Lighting, Grip and Sound crews waited there when not needed.

  • …12th of September Fool’s Day!!

    What, you don’t have that holiday in the States?… Then this is REAL?? Oh dear.

    Bad back. Camera-op’s attention all over the place. One shot nicely framed the other just pot-luck…

    • That’s what I thought, too. You can only frame one shot, the other is pure coincidence. And also from the very same angle as the other shot.
      So yeah, great idea, really. Maybe one single person will actually use it once on a project… ;)

  • As a pro shooter for years, I have to say that this idea is nothing but ridiculous! There is NO WAY to get proper framing on both cameras simultaneous, and in editing it will also look weird!

    Great as a novelty/on-set-joke though, but clearly not worth the price for THAT! :) :) :)

  • Well, as some of you might have thought… This was done as a joke… Could work in certain situations, of course pulling focus on a 16mm lens after 3feet is useless as you are at infinity. Never mind this rig is perfectly balanced and you can film anything from a red One, epic, anything you can throw at it.

    The main reason for this rig is to get your camera steady and also behaving like a heavier cam. Freeing your hands to focus, but most importantly to follow the rythm of what you are filming, having 100% of your brain concentrating on framing and not struggling with trying to hold up the weight with your arms… Check out the tutorial on youtube…How to use a shoulder rig from Lights Film School.

    As for getting you guys and galls to talk about Cinemecanix…mission accomplished.

    Specs on the C1, 5.6 lbs without the counter-weight and the shoulder pad will adjust to hug your shoulder!

    Cheers

    Eric Auclair

  • I’m happy you understood the real value of this best selling rig at IBC. We will be at Photokina and Cinec in September and we are looking forward to meet more filmmakers at NAB 2013.
    Many tv crews are already using the C1 and it is being sold in more than 50 countries thru Dedo Weigert Film in Germany. Look for an up coming article in Film and Digital Times as Jon Fauer has been very impressed with the quality and balance of this Rig. We have had many rental houses inquiring and confirming the C1 will be available for rental. The C1 has managed to put countless grins on the faces of those who put it on their shoulder, including Jean-Pierre Beauviala (wikipedia…look him up).
    Thanks again for the king words.
    Eric Auclair

  • We’ll, if you like run and gun, organic film making check out our game changing Rocket TriPod for the Modern Film Maker.

    Just a few more glitches and we’re off on kickstarter (by the 28th).

    Frank T.
    512 736 4400

  • Check it out on http://www.rockettripod.com.

    As for a dual camera setup, filming at once with two cameras, the eyes can barely coordinate on one thing at a time much less with the mind trying to over compensate.

    Not yet. Sorry

    Frank T.,
    Inventor World’s First Truly Mobile Tripod – The Rocket TriPod

    PS: Available for interviews at your leisure

    • I can understand… You only have to frame the 70mm cam…and also this was done as test juzt to see if it could be done… Watch the video.

    • I can understand… You only have to frame the 70mm cam…and also this was done as test juzt to see if it could be done… Watch the video. Now I’d like too see an Epic or scarlet with all the trimmings on your tripod…p.s. Dont dis other products when yours still has glitches… Its common curtesy.

  • Daniel Mimura on 09.26.12 @ 5:35PM

    That is a terrible idea. Lets just throw framing out of the window. No matter how many cameras you have, you only have one operator with one brain. I know of very few humans with independently tracking eyes to frame them both at the same time…oh, and even if you could…the two cameras are slaved together, so you can’t!

    Some of us care about composition.

  • Read the description of the video… You’re only framing one cam… Can you do that???

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