January 8, 2014

Here is Panasonic's GH 4K Camera, Coming This February for $2,000 or Less

Panasonic GH 4K Angle Engadget4K is the name of the game at CES this year, and that includes some new camera models capable of the format. Sony showed their hand with the $2,000 4K handycam, and now Panasonic has unveiled more about the GH 4K, which will fit into their mirrorless camera line. Engadget snapped a few photos of the new 4K cam at the Panasonic booth, and managed to get some new details from the representative there.

Here is what engadget posted, followed by some photos:

UHD content can be recorded at 200 Mbps, and output in a full live feed via a mini-HDMI port (thanks to ALL-I Intra mode) to display on a computer or record to a hard drive. Of course, the Micro-Four Thirds shooter can save footage straight to an SDXC card -- a UHS Class 3 prototype variant tuned for such a task was on display -- though space will run out fairly quickly.

And on price:

 More details are set to arrive with the camera's official release in late February, when it'll arrive with a price tag of $2,000 or less.

Panasonic GH 4K Angle Engadget

As a quick refresher, these are the rumored specs we got last fall:

16mp
1/8000 shutter
1mil dot OLED screen
21mm OLED viewfinder, 3,000+ dot.
Time code
200mbps mp4 All-i/100mbps IPB
4k up to 30p
4:2:2 10/8bit output
3G-SDI and XLR adaptor (An adaptor that the camera sits on with XLR x2, HD-SDI x4)

Seems that those rumors are right on in terms of specs, as the 200mbps intraframe codec was confirmed by the Panasonic rep. Surprisingly, the final price may actually turn out to be cheaper than the rumor at $2,000 or less -- so this will be the most affordable interchangeable lens 4K camera when it is released (unless something is announced from another company sooner). Many aren't crazy about the Micro 4/3 format, but it does mean you can attach all sorts of accessories, like the Metabones Speed Booster, and get more out of the lenses you already have.

The camera looks just like the GH3 at the moment, but we don't yet know if this will be the final model coming in February. The full live feed mentioned may just mean a high-quality 1080p output, though it would be rather interesting if they were actually going to send out a 4K signal from the camera -- as the current options for displaying and recording that kind of resolution are limited. I think many would be happy to see some sort of 10-bit log output from the camera that could be recorded onto an external recorder into ProRes or DNxHD (even better would be 10-bit internal log). That would add some size to the rig, but for something that's going to be heavily color graded, a high bit depth 1080 image does more for you than a compressed and lower bit depth 4K image.

At 200mbps (25 Megabytes per second), that's going to be 1.5GB a minute, or 90GB per hour. Just like shooting RAW on the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera, it's a lot of data for SD cards, which is why Panasonic was showing a new SD card guaranteed to sustain the data rates. You may not actually need something like that though, as the Sandisk 95MB/s card can sustain RAW from the Pocket, which is actually recording at a higher data rate.

This could turn out to be a very interesting option with what is already going to be a very 4K heavy year. More details will likely emerge before the announcement -- so stay tuned.

Link: Panasonic's next GH mirrorless camera -- engadget

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191 Comments

FINALLY !! :D

January 8, 2014 at 7:21AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Dave

Yeah, this is very exciting! Even if it only ends up being a GH3 that can record 4K at 24p with no other new features, for around $2K I'm in from day one. I previously owned a RED ONE and loved the image quality, but the camera was way too big and heavy for the type of shooting I do. I'm now shooting with three GH3 cameras, but would gladly trade up to the GH4K if they stay small and compact.

January 8, 2014 at 12:23PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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HD-SDI is seriously great!

Although I fear that getting 4k out of a micro four thirds is a very bad idea. Photon well will be minute, expect aberrations a plenty...

January 8, 2014 at 7:29AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Could you expand a little? M43 isn't that much smaller than S35, and it can already take great stills at a resolution just a little higher than 4K.

January 8, 2014 at 7:37AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Clayton

I don't want to come across as arrogant, but I'll quickly gloss over the technical issues. Sorry if all this is already known to you.

All sensors have one massive problem that film doesn't have: they don't really "exist" in the Y dimension. What this means is that if a ray of light reaches the pixel beyond a certain angle the pixel simply doesn't see it. "Photon well" is a very acute description of this issue. As even though the pixels don't have depth, they are surrounded by the bands separating them. Film has depth, which makes it totally immune to this problem.

Arri decided to keep Alexa as 2.5k simply because of this. They were not and, as far as I know, are not satisfied with colour rendition beyond this resolution on an Academy sized sensor.

M43 is much smaller than academy size in AREA. If you fit 4k in that sensor, sensor density shoots up exponentially as it's related to both resolution and size.

Hope I didn't bore you with all this.

BTW, there is a solution, which is called "highly telecentric lens". RED's lenses have this one (and only IMHO) selling point. They're specially crafted for RED's high density. Panavision's also just released another highly telecentric set of Primos. The Primos are most certainly much much better lenses.

January 8, 2014 at 8:08AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Thanks! Great explanation!

The GH3 already has a 16mp sensor though - does that mean the colour reproduction in the GH4K would be similar to the stills mode in the GH3, plus chroma sub-sampling, provided it has the same sensor?

January 8, 2014 at 8:31AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Clayton

Thanks mate!

I ain't got a clue, to be honest. I'm lucky enough to work consistently on Alexa so my knowledge there is very very small apart from the theory.

However, all things being equal, and if they've kept the same sensor... I might just retract my previous thought and say it could improve the image quality. It'd make sense for it to improve given they're using more of the info they already got?

January 8, 2014 at 8:39AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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ARRI is working on a 4K camera.Do you know any details about it?

January 8, 2014 at 9:13PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

Not arrogant at all. Very insightful.
I have a couple of questions:
Aren't the Xenar III also highly tele centric?
What about standard still lenses such as the canon L series?

January 8, 2014 at 8:52AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Appreciated dude, I just have some arrogant tendencies I repress very actively. :D

I don't know the Xenars. The L series should be very telecentric. But you're very exposed to breathing on the other hand. Mind you, I've seen stunning material on 5d mk 2 + L primes shot by very well paid London based DOPs. So, do please take all my ramblings as theoretical masturbation.

January 8, 2014 at 9:07AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Thanks for the explanation, neccggfver came across this information. Thisg should be discussed further now the companies are pushing 4K in consumer cameras.

January 8, 2014 at 9:22AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Ebrahim Saadawi

WHy aren't you writing articles here? Thanks!

January 8, 2014 at 11:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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VinceGortho

yes, why?! :)

January 8, 2014 at 2:16PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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guto novo

That comment alone has more information that many whole posts. Awesome.

January 8, 2014 at 4:15PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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maghoxfr

Great post

January 8, 2014 at 3:59PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Anthony Marino

Great analysis and explanation, and much appreciated!

January 8, 2014 at 4:20PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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darby

4K/30p... Wonder if it'll offer variable resolutions and fps combinations like 4k@24fps, 2k@60fps etc.?

January 8, 2014 at 7:49AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Dovelyn

Too bad it doesnt shoot prores or raw.
Will it have the same dynamic range as the GH3 or worse/better?

I would rather have 2,5K + high frame rates with great dynamic range then 4K though.

January 8, 2014 at 7:54AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Ano Nymous

Amen!

January 8, 2014 at 8:16AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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I too have joined the 'go raw or go home' crowd, and so it appears have many others judging from the quite sane comments here today.

January 8, 2014 at 11:42AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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marklondon

Me too.

January 8, 2014 at 10:06PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Martin

I highly doubt that it's the next GH we're talking about. Think about it. They wouldn't replace their $1000 model with a $2000 model straight up in one go, dripping with all these pro level features. No Japanese company works like this. Have you seen a Corolla that doubles the price in one go with trick parts? They could have a new series altogether along with the 4k Varicam and more prosumer/serious enthusaist features will trickle down to the GH series which will remain at a similar price bracket. That's what I concur from looking at the way they work. If I'm wrong, I'll be super happy.

January 8, 2014 at 8:30AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DaftVader

They're almost certainly not "replacing" the GH3. Just bring out another model. Sort of like how Canon has the C100, C300, and C500. Different models at different price points.

January 8, 2014 at 10:40AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Jake

The GH3 is very successful. Even Marc Hauser uses one for his black and white photography, a little for color photography, and for some video eCards. This 7 minute video explains how Marc Hauser uses the GH3:

[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaeAz4dG5C4 ]

January 9, 2014 at 10:43PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

I feel like all the manufacturers are going to jump on the 4K bandwagon when they really haven't even delivered a really good HD camera yet. I have a feeling we're just going to go in a big circle now getting the same cameras we've already gotten the last few years, but in 4K instead of HD.

January 8, 2014 at 8:31AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Clayton Arnall

Unfortunately. A person a few comments above you nailed it. If they could nail down a decent HD codec (using prores for example), even in 2.5k, it would be very attractive. But to be fair, these companies are trying to follow trends, and they're in business to sell, so I can see why they are chasing the 4k "train", which is unfortunate.

January 8, 2014 at 9:06AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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David Andrade

you can have that with the BMCC...cheers 4k or bust

January 8, 2014 at 9:34AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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You can have whatever you want ... if you are willing to pay for it. The main selling feature here is GH4 being a 4K camera with a reasonable 200 Mbps bit rate output that is sold for about two grand. Presuming the codec is still H.264 based, the rest depends on what Panasonic has done with it and they claim to do a lot. As time goes on, the processors become more powerful, allowing a quicker error correction methodology and the ability to squeeze a superior image into the same bit rate (not quite the same as H.265/VP9 getting a higher IQ at the same bit rate as H.264/VP8 but in a similar vein). Overall, this camera should enable you to get roughly the same quality footage as something that cost 5-10 times the price less than a year ago. Meanwhile, if you're able and capable of paying 5-10 times the price, you can get even more with a new generation of 4K equipment that is coming out. And that makes 4K a new acquisition standard for the professional level work. TV's are going there. Streaming is going there. You can join in and go there too. Or chose to be left behind.

January 8, 2014 at 12:07PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

DLD, you're boring, you keep spaning all the 4k threads, theres a point here, i work in the film industry, post production, trust me when i say 4k devivery is still far away, we cant barely get decent hd signals nowadays, people will stamp 4k all over but to me it seems nobody will be willing to pay the price to have proper 4k delivery anytime soon, this 4k thing is only good to sell cameras and tvs, same steategy apple uses to keep sellinh iphones and ipads.

January 8, 2014 at 12:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Marcus

Working in the "film industry" does not justify you being an ass. As to 4K, I take the global consensus over your presumptuous posturing.

January 8, 2014 at 3:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

Fair enough. Good luck.

January 8, 2014 at 3:57PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Marcus

Actually it's you that's boring Marcus in you demeaning of progress. You like your BluRay player. We get it. Can you move on to something more than demeaning anything that goes beyond 1080p? You did know that it wasn't that long ago that 1080p was new to the mainstream like 4K is now new to the mainstream. If you are bored by comments talking about 4K there's an easy solution for you---SCROLL PAST THEM. :-) There, FTFY.

January 8, 2014 at 9:19PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

As for 4k delivery being far away, Netflix has announced (at CES too, I believe) that they will be streaming the second season of House of Cards in 4k: http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/06/this-is-what-netflixs-4k-streaming-lo...

January 9, 2014 at 2:55PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Shenan

The CEO of Netflix on video from CES talking about House of Cards definitely in 4K in real time this year:

[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfiBsUlfzVg ]

January 9, 2014 at 10:56PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

NICE

January 8, 2014 at 9:06AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DIO

Hoping that we get 24p in a firmware update.

January 8, 2014 at 9:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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I hope they leave a option to shot at 2.5k or at least FullHD like the GH3 and much better if we can have fast speed recordings, right now 4K it's looks like overkill, when the 4K will be the norm the GH4K will be on retire (2 years life cycle).
Before 4K i prefer better DR and 4:2:2 10Bit image. hope that XLR adapter again not be a vaporware.

January 8, 2014 at 9:16AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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If the camera alone is less than $2000, that means the HD-SDI / XLR adaptor costs €1000?

January 8, 2014 at 9:22AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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MFT is a brilliant format. I hope it never disappears. The size of the cameras and small lenses are simply. And with the versatility of Metabones speed booster, they lose some of their "small sensor" disadvantages.

January 8, 2014 at 9:36AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Ian B

*simply incredible

January 8, 2014 at 9:37AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Ian B

I'm curious if they're using the new M43 sensor they released late last year. Supposedly marketed as the "lowest noise sensor on the market"... All the black magic cameras offer a log 10-bit 1080 pro res 4:2:2 mode, albeit those cams are noisy as hell if you don't overexpose to the point of white out though. It would be very nice to get a clean 10-bit, 1080p log image output to a Ninja 2 that I wouldn't have to neat video the hell out of later.

January 8, 2014 at 9:37AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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XML

Whoah 4k 10 bit internally and a camera, it just got real in the ville

January 8, 2014 at 9:54AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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jaye

+1!

January 8, 2014 at 9:22PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

Sounds good though it's still the weaker side of 4k. Anything with 8 bit or needs and external recorder, no thanks. 10 bit 422? Meh

January 8, 2014 at 10:10AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Anthony Marino

I don't care about 4K. It's just the next hot feature. Like "3D" was just a few years ago. Unless you have have a 150" TV screen or IMAX, it's not worth it. And don't have any 4k monitors to edit with anyways!

Besides, shooting 4k with with a 4/3 sensor? Low-light is already the 4/3 Achilles heel.

Now 10 bit or better codec, throw in ProRes or DNXHD, a nice OLED screen plus all the other Panny goodness that the GH series has given us, I'll be happy as a pig in slop with just good ole 1080p.

Roger Deacon shot the Avengers in 1080p, for 3D IMAX, on an Alexa, by the way, and I didn't hear any of the people who paid $3,000.000.000 to see it complaining.

January 8, 2014 at 10:10AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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darby

I had no idea Roget Deacon had changed his name to Seamus McGarvey ;)

January 8, 2014 at 10:23AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Michael

You are correct sir. My bad. Seamus McGarvey it was.

January 8, 2014 at 10:30AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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darby

I had no idea Roger Deakins had changed his name to Roger Deacon!

January 8, 2014 at 5:56PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Neil Randall

I can hear the passion in your opinion. You sound like you could enjoy working with the BMPCC (with the Metabones Speed Booster) We just got one at work and are testing it out.

As for the Avengers information, the Arri Alexa Cinematographic Process was ARRIRAW (2.8K) (source format) per IMDB.

Everyone should be happy to see, that thanks to the competition that Red and Blackmagic have been providing, we are now getting more "Bang for the Buck." than we could have imagined 3-5 years ago.

January 8, 2014 at 10:55AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Bill

this is for t.v. sets …so panasonic…sony..etc…can sell t.v. sets…movies are still projected via dcp at 2k..best looking film I've seen this year…was THE SECRET LIFE OF WALTER MITTY…which was shot on film..then transferred to 2k dcp

January 8, 2014 at 11:02AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DIO

It was also a combination of 2.8K ARRIRAW and 35mm (high speed shots) for a 2K DI... go go gadget "simple research"

The Alexa does higher than 1080p, but only in ARRIRAW. You can safely assume that any studio feature shooting Alexa is doing this.

January 8, 2014 at 11:28AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Rob

yes, you can safely assume this.

January 8, 2014 at 4:14PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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darby

SNAP! your right. My bad. but at least (I think) the camera was correct....

January 8, 2014 at 10:29AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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darby

COOL! Cant wait to see some footage. Hopefully its sharp in 4k.

January 8, 2014 at 10:31AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Caleb

... But if this camera is 10bit 422 and doesn't crush the blacks, I'm buying it and slapping a speedbooster on it. And then it's ON like Donkey Kong.

January 8, 2014 at 10:32AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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darby

Feature wise Panasonic always has had the backs of indie filmmakers. I hope they succeed with this solution.

January 8, 2014 at 10:48AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gordon

Not so excited about the 4k. None of my current clients will care for another 3-5 years. But 10bit 4:2:2 would be great.

January 8, 2014 at 10:48AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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jim

Although having these specs at that price point / form factor is applausable (cheers, Panasonic!), I still believe most people would benefit much more from 1080/2k with better codecs (high dynamic range, color - 10bit, ProRes, 4:2:2, etc..)

January 8, 2014 at 10:54AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Ebrahim Sadawi

+1. I would be fine with 10-bit, 4:2:2 for shooting live events, travel and run-and-gun, but a codec similar to a 2.5K RAW would be closer to ideal for everything else.

January 8, 2014 at 12:37PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Marc B

+1 to you both! 4k is not important to me. Codec, moire\aliasing, clean image are. Even if it's not the low-light king. So what- I'll throw a light on it.

January 8, 2014 at 3:50PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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darby

+5

January 9, 2014 at 4:40PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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+1. If Panny can deliver a decent codec for even just 1080p with high frame rates, they'll seriously put the heat to Blackmagic. Blackmagic's policy of delays and non existent communication regarding updates (sound issues, etc.) and release dates has me ready to jump ship as soon as something comes along that lets me work in at least 4.2.2. at a decent price. Throw in 60p with 4.2.2 and it's game over. As much as I'm thankful for BM for inovating and pushing the issue, I think their QC (I'm on my 3rd cam) and communication will come back to bite them. They better get that long awaited update to the BMCC and get their 4k cam out.

January 19, 2014 at 12:14AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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I'm now very curious what Canon are cooking up too.

January 8, 2014 at 12:20PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Saied

I'm curious what hacks/patches are up for the Canon 1D since this Panasonic is coming out.

January 8, 2014 at 9:27PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

Holy F... Is this for real or what ?

January 8, 2014 at 12:25PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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raj

i dont want 4k, I just want Pro Res, 10 bits, maybe 2k, 120 fps 1080p,

January 8, 2014 at 12:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Nelson

Panasonic's video division has created some pretty good codecs. But if they're looking at this as more of a consumer camera it'll probably be AVCHD/AVCCAM or H264

http://pro-av.panasonic.net/en/sales_o/p2/concept/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVC-Intra

January 8, 2014 at 1:07PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Sam

Well. I'll have to see some footage first. But if Metabones jumps on this the same way they did the Blackmagic cameras then...

January 8, 2014 at 1:37PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Coty

Hasn't there been a metabones speedbooster for m43 out there for a while now?

January 8, 2014 at 2:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Raul

Still no electronic control for EF lenses. It's driving me crazy!

January 8, 2014 at 3:01PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Ben Corwin

yes, metabones has a 4/3 speedbooster for a bunch of lens brands: Zeiss, Leica, Minolta, Yashica/Contax, Nikon, Canon FD, Canon EOS (only one with electronic iris/focus control).

I have both a Nikon and Yashica/Contax Speedbooster, and it is nothing short of amazing- In fact, to me, revolutionary in the power to restore older lenses to full usefulness. Especially turning an old $50 Y/C 50mm f1.4 into an f0.95 monster. Clearer, brigher. slight loss of edge sharpness. But nobody looks AT THE EDGES of the movie.

That's why BMCC and BMPC with speedboosters are real gamechangers. But I loves me my GH2, so I think I'll keep dipping my toe in the Panasonic pool for a while longer, at least until a few cams come out with a decent global shutter.

BTW, anybody seen any samples of the H265 codec? Unbelievable. 1/10th the file size of 264 (or so I've heard), and looks like ProRES, or might I even dare say: RAW? Muahahahahahah. Big things coming, brothers. Big things. And to think-from such small beginnings.

January 8, 2014 at 4:01PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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darby

Get your positivity and optimism off this site. It is not appreciated. In all seriousness though, I agree. I can't wait to see footage from this camera.

January 8, 2014 at 4:09PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Coty

Duly noted. Now I will slink back to PersonalView, Where Happiness calls Home.

January 8, 2014 at 4:15PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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darby

It's true Coty, there are commenters on this web site that are vicious toward optimism.

January 8, 2014 at 9:31PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

H.265 is AMAZING. Not quite RAW though. But yes, as good as PRO-RES. Not sure we'll see H265 in this cam though.

January 8, 2014 at 5:27PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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marklondon

To follow this closely (as it develops into a community of footage), here's the User Group, across platforms of Vimeo, Facebook and Twitter:

http://vimeo.com/groups/gh4
http://facebook.com/gh4users
http://twitter.com/gh4users

January 8, 2014 at 2:08PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Paul

Thanks for those links. :)

January 8, 2014 at 9:37PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

The 200mbps codec mentioned here shoots much closer to the 220mbps Pro Res codec that ships with the BMPCC than the raw Cinema DNG alternative which is closer to 360 mpbs. I can get away with using inexpensive cards on the GH3 but he BMPCC drops frames with anything but the best. I am all for higher bitrate codecs but we also need better, faster, cheaper SD cards to compliment the increased bit rate of these codecs.

I own a GH3 and two BMPCC's and think this camera is an interesting development especially at the now rumored lower price point. I don't expect the projects that I shoot with a camera like this will be shown on the big screen where higher resolution is vastly important - I am more excited about having large cropping margins when using a camera like this for multi-cam HD projects or documentary work.

The jump from 8 bit 4:2:0 to 10 bit 4:2:2 is great news!

The BMPCC deliver a beautiful flat image but it requires more time in post and the modest increase in bit rate from the 72mbps All-I available on the GH3 to the 220mps Pro Res does add time to the production process. The GH 4k would be brilliant along with GH3's as 'B' cams. If this camera behaves like the GH3 it will be a great and reliable piece of gear to use when quick turnarounds and long record times are important

January 8, 2014 at 2:08PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Yeah, if the hot shoe doesn't fall, the screen won't go loose, the info stop disappearing, etc, etc..

January 8, 2014 at 3:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Michael

Curious to know how many of you are making a serious living in film. I ask because if you are, then why would you not just rent an EPIC or Alexa? If you're not, then what are you shooting that needs to be 4K??? If its wedding videos, most average couples won't know the difference/won't care - as long as their family are in focus and properly exposed; Same goes for most low-budget online content, corporates etc. Yes, 4K looks lovely when you have invested in the proper gear to display it but thats more expense. Then on top of that you have a massively costly Post process and massive storage issues.

Can't wait to see boring camera tests and 100% cropped images of brick walls, trees and random household objects slowly getting grainier and grainier in ISO tests all in glorious 4K downscaled and uploaded in crappy Vimeo compression codecs...

I know, I'm being cynical. Really trying to start 2014 with an open mind and enthusiastic attitude but as some of the commenters above stated, I'd rather have affordable clean HDMI 1080 or 2K up to 120fps. This just seems like a cash grab to sell more TVs etc. and from where I'm standing, you guys are encouraging it.

January 8, 2014 at 3:21PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Neil

the best show I"ve seen on t.v. this year BOARDWALK EMPIRE…was shot on an arri super 16mm camera…so pro doesn't mean expensive..it's the dp and crew..

January 8, 2014 at 3:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DIO

the best show I"ve seen on t.v. this year BOARDWALK EMPIRE…was shot on an arri super 16mm camera(which is a 2 thousand dollar camera)…so pro doesn't mean expensive..it's the dp and crew..and this case format

January 8, 2014 at 3:48PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DIO

Boardwalk empire is shot on panavision cameras and S35 film not S16

January 8, 2014 at 6:30PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Carlos

carlos you're right! Im thinking of another show…you can pick up a 35mm movie camera for between 2 and 3 thousand…I bought a moviecam compact sl for 2,100.00…stunning images..

January 9, 2014 at 7:36PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DIO

@Neil This.

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Marcus

I work in the industry. I don't shoot weddings though! I do @55-60 full-rate on-set shoot days a year, but I'm not a DP only.
Like a lot of people I work a ton of jobs at different levels. I rent RED/Alexa on most jobs with a camera budget over $75k, but you'd be amazed (maybe not) how few those jobs are these days unless you're in the top 5% of the industry.
For smaller jobs I now PREFER to shoot my own cameras and lights: I know I can move faster, and to a degree I know what corners I can cut - how far I can push things. But under 90 shoot only days I can't justify buying a camera over $25k (I'm not into renting my kit out) - the numbers don't work.
After trying the FS100, AF101, C300 and FS700 its ML RAW on the 5D3 that has become my ultimate weapon for my style of shooting (controlled lighting/heavy grade/some overcrank). Its actually won me work - a client loved a spot I'd shot on an EPIC, and I gave them the same result for 60% of the budget. For me it was wildly profitable. No-one gave a flying stuff what camera was on the dolly. We graded from the RAW DNGs at a major post house. It looked SPECTACULAR on the grade screen. That's how a camera will win a place in my heart - by putting money in my wallet. :-)
None of my clients or the jobs I co-produce are worrying about 4K yet (and hey, we've been shooting it since 2007!). That will change by the end of the year. By then I know I'll have a panoply of choices. To be honest, I'd be happy to wait for ML to hack the Canon 4K DSLRs of 2015 :-)

*if i shot weddings/event, I'd own a C100. That camera rocks.

January 8, 2014 at 5:50PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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marklondon

There's Canon 1D users that are happy with the work they get--at least from what I have gathered. I know I read a commenter on here a few months ago that said he bought a 1D less than a year before and it had already paid for itself and he was now making good profits with it. And the 1D body was $8000.00+ then. I have come across two different photographers/videographers on the street in the past 6 months who were using the 1D. I still remember the reaction of the first one when I asked if that was the 1D that shoots 4K. He was more excited than a kid on Christmas morning to tell me it was. I think there's more excitement for 4k outside in the world than many commenters on this blog realize.

January 8, 2014 at 9:53PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

Niel: Gene has assured us that the teenage salesman at best buy told him we all need 4k and everyones doing it. It looks great on 150 inch screen when you watch it from your neighbor's house.

January 8, 2014 at 3:33PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLDo

Would it be possible for you to stop stalking me with different names?

Could you also show more maturity than to use DLD's name?

January 8, 2014 at 9:54PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

And by the way, every thing you said is a lie. Your comment is in violation of comment policy---not that you care.

January 8, 2014 at 9:57PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

I don't get this post. Where is the link saying panasonic revealed this camera. You only link to rumor sites.

January 8, 2014 at 3:41PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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SigSau

Panasonic announced the camera at CES. Maybe they were just there...

January 8, 2014 at 4:36PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Pat

Engadget talked to Panasonic reps at the show who revealed a few details, including price, the February date, and the 200mbps 4K codec. The details at the top were rumors we had heard before.

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Joe Marine
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screw 4k, wide dynamic range at 1080 with a lot of frame rates is what i want.

January 8, 2014 at 4:50PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Joe

+1

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Petr

+1

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thecouchguy

+1

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Vick

+2

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Shawn Strong

+3

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andy

+4

January 9, 2014 at 3:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Denver

+ 10 bit video

January 9, 2014 at 6:34PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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+1

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Robert B.

+1

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gilles

+1

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Chris

+1

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Arturo chu

x4

January 9, 2014 at 4:45PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Alan

exactly. but that wouldn't sell crap to the unwashed masses.

January 8, 2014 at 5:56PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLDo

why are you using DLD's ID? You are petty.

January 8, 2014 at 9:58PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

To quote Max Bialystock, "He thinks he's witty".

January 9, 2014 at 5:29PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

He has also used the names "jerber", wender", and some others I don't want to take the time to go back and get the spelling of. He changes names faster than underwear.

January 9, 2014 at 10:16PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

He could also be Marcus, and Muh, and ishoot720p. All of these angry, negative comments may not actually be several people but just one. All of these comments have the same characteristics like coming from the same source---hey Marcus?

January 11, 2014 at 11:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

+1

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+1

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Pat

+1

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Martin

+384720347

January 8, 2014 at 11:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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JayKronos

+1

January 8, 2014 at 11:52PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Raul

+1 I will use 5D mark iii for now it is limited in terms of dynamic range and frame rates.

January 8, 2014 at 11:55PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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S

Is 14 stops of Dynamic range really necessary? I mean if you cant see into the shadows, your supposed to light scenes with that in mind, plus our eye can only see about 5-6 stops of range?

January 9, 2014 at 12:42AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Daniel

There are many cases in which extended dynamic range is preferable no matter how you've prepared, for example your argument seems predicated on fiction filmmaking under studio lights and ignores unpredictable exteriors and documentary...

January 9, 2014 at 3:24AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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trackofalljades

really??? our eye only sees 5-6 stops??? are you sure man??? go into a room.....turn off the ligths....open the window and tell me ir you are able to see you room perfectly light and you can clearly see outside the window...and now you tell me you only see 5-6 stops :)

January 9, 2014 at 6:22AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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jesuan

14 stops enough dynamic range? Usually, but definitely not always. Why do you think the new Red has 16.5+ stops? And the human eyes definitely has more than 5-6 stops. That makes no sense that video recording 14 stops would clip both highlights and crush shadows way way before the human eye does. All you have to do is point a camera at a bare light bulb or bright window to see just how far even a BlackMagic camera is from the astonishing dynamic range of the human eye, which when factoring in everything the true dynamic range of the human eye is well over 20 stops in reality.

January 9, 2014 at 6:25AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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The retina has a static contrast ratio of around 100:1 (about 6.5 f-stops). As soon as the eye moves (saccades) it re-adjusts its exposure both chemically and geometrically by adjusting the iris which regulates the size of the pupil. Initial dark adaptation takes place in approximately four seconds of profound, uninterrupted darkness; full adaptation through adjustments in retinal chemistry (the Purkinje effect) is mostly complete in thirty minutes. Hence, a dynamic contrast ratio of about 1,000,000:1 (about 20 f-stops) is possible.[5] The process is nonlinear and multifaceted, so an interruption by light merely starts the adaptation process over again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_eye#Dynamic_range

January 9, 2014 at 9:19AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Jeff D

you beat me to it.

IF TLDR, our Eyes have 6-7 DR but they adjust so fast it seems like 20 stops.

January 11, 2014 at 6:10AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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The human eye can't also have variable frame rates, exposure times and zoom in/out. But we still use it.

January 20, 2014 at 11:26AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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That hang

The human eye has a dynamic range varying from 21 to 23 stops.

January 24, 2014 at 4:46AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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SLG

+3

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TJL

+6

January 9, 2014 at 10:26AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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sammy

+1

January 9, 2014 at 12:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Mike

+10

January 9, 2014 at 3:06PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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John Wilton

+1

January 9, 2014 at 8:36PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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+1

January 10, 2014 at 5:29AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Joe the GH4 can shoot 1080p as well. IF the GH3 can shoot up to 60 FPS @ 1080p I would say the chances
of the GH4 shooting at 60P are extremely good. Don't be surprised if it can do even more. Maybe 120P. As the GH3 shoots 72Mp/sec and the Gh4 @ 200. I wouldn't be at all surprised if 120fps isen't something it comes out with or with a hack or download at a later date. Even if you only shoot 1080p, if it can do 4K as well I wouldn't complain. You've got the extra res and long legs if and when you want it.

January 11, 2014 at 10:00AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Rick Idak

Really? No one is stoked about 4:2:2?

January 11, 2014 at 3:14PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Nolan

Very nice,

Lots of option !! What Canon will release ? ;-)

January 8, 2014 at 4:51PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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mikael

Without having seen its 4K footage it's to early to know it it looks as good or better than Canon 1D 4K footage. If it turns out to look better than the 1D there will forever be patch/hacks for the 1D to help it look as good as this camera like there have been for the 5D trying to make it look as good or better than the GH2 Hacked/GH3 but never accomplishing it.

January 8, 2014 at 9:08PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

The 6 January 2014 i buy a Panasonic GH 2 BRAN NEWS to hack
and using it for scouting for 35mm film shot.( for used with Lomo and Zeiss lens )

I do not take the Pocket because i have not much super 16mm lens, and the camera look very fragile.

They still have some GH 2 New out there.... got it for 625$ with a 14 to 42mm i still waiting to get it.

January 9, 2014 at 6:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Pierre Samuel Rioux

I didn't know there were some new GH2's still out there. I had read some months ago there were some available for about $400.00. I searched but couldn't find any new then. $600.00 is a very low cost for such a camera.

January 9, 2014 at 10:19PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

The camera feeds 10-bit out but does it record in 10-bit 422?

January 8, 2014 at 6:15PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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2799 Euros is a lot more than $2000 - it's more like 3,800 USD.

I have no idea where you get the $2000 price?

January 8, 2014 at 7:37PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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k0bayashi

I think they're saying that it has the potential to come in cheaper than the initial *rumored* price of €2799 at $2000.

January 8, 2014 at 8:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Chris

It's reportedly that low.

January 8, 2014 at 8:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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IAN

Engadget reported $2,000 or less straight from Panasonic reps.

January 8, 2014 at 10:04PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Joe Marine
Camera Department

"Panasonic's next GH mirrorless camera will record 4K video, arrive late February for under $2,000"

http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/07/panasonics-4k-mirrorless-gh-camera/

January 8, 2014 at 10:30PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

Most prices expressed in Euros include the Value Added Tax and, while it depends on a given country, if you could compare the prices under the dollar-to-euro exchange rate, you'd often find them from being nominally equal to having the US prices somehat lower. For example, there are various Cost of Living tables based on the relative prices of Big Macs or iPods. For example, a Big Mac might cost $9 in Norway, $4.50 in the US and $2.50 in Russia. An iPod may cost $180 in the US, €190 in Germany and €210 in France and that's despite Euro being worth anywhere from $1.25 to $1.35 over the last several years.
http://ipod-index.blogspot.com/

January 9, 2014 at 5:43PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

I'm wondering what BlackMagic is feeling about new Sony and Panasonic 4k cameras priced around $2000.00. I'm wondering if it's knocking some of the wind out of '4k for $4k'? It's true the BM4K may have a move attractive image for movie makers. Still, 4K for 4K was stunning just a sort time ago. Is it exciting now?

January 8, 2014 at 10:27PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

Yes it is. GlobAl shutter, raw and prores, 35mm sized sensor, cheap media, better DR than this camera, amazing color science and it comes with an industry leading color grading software for free. Gene you are 4k blind , do your research and stop spaming 4k threads for once.

January 8, 2014 at 10:36PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Marcus

You did not pay attention to what I said. You imagine I said something I did not say. And try to stop stalking me. I know that will be hard for you. But try to move on to something productive rather than hating 4K.

January 8, 2014 at 10:43PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

I'm still trying to figure out how I'm "4k blind'. I don't think you thought that one through before saying it. It only shows you have dislike of 4k on the brain.

January 8, 2014 at 10:52PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

I dont think the BM4K has very good dynamic range at all. It looks quite bad. Resolution seems ok but thats it.

January 8, 2014 at 11:04PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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??!?!

January 9, 2014 at 9:59PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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JuMo

The Metabones 'speed booster' makes the images softer, not better, as well as several other problems that actually give you less from a lens, not more, then a lens designed for the focal length you need.

Before you make statements recommending it, perhaps you should look closer than what the amateurs, and phony blogtographers say about it.

January 9, 2014 at 3:45AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Kevin Werner

That is really interesting, especially because pretty much every blog that reviews this adapter seems to claim that the image is actually sharper using the speedbooster, and limiting flaws to lens specific coma or vignetting issues, samples seem to support that , have you been able to test it? If yes it would be great to see some samples at 100% for comparison and to end this myth...

January 9, 2014 at 4:20AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Raul

As an owner of a Metabones Speedbooster I would also like to point out that Kevin is completely wrong here. I'm at a loss as to where he has come to this conclusion or what his personal objective is for trying to convince people. Maybe he has the cheap 'Light Canon' etc knockoffs confused for the real deal.

January 9, 2014 at 10:06PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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JuMo

People that have tested far more lenses than I have say otherwise (like Roger Cicala). Aberrations increased negligibly, but MTF50 numbers improved with the same lens on the same camera with the Speed Booster. Could they have had a vanilla copy? Maybe, but the guy who designed the Speed Booster optic, Dr Brian Caldwell, has been designing lenses for 30 years has been working with Panavision on their lenses for quite some time, including the new 70mm lenses.

A reminder for everyone again – we had one copy of the adapter to play with and limited time. But I’ll have to admit that it seems the folks at Metabones pulled off what they claimed: with the adapter a lens is wider, faster, and even a bit sharper.

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/01/metabones-magic

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/12/metabones-blackmagic

January 9, 2014 at 5:40AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Joe Marine
Camera Department

The speedbooster does the job it claims to do. And changing the aperture with the speedbooster ring on a brand new 'digital' lens is fantastic. You should really try it sometime, Kevin Werner. It's great fun to see your footage back in post after shooting it with the speedbooster. Besides, it's so damn affordable altogether, why even bother to complain? These are amazing times if you like filming.

February 9, 2014 at 7:37PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Ernest

Gimmie 10bit and big DR and I'm in.

January 9, 2014 at 5:14AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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hawaj

(y) +1

January 9, 2014 at 3:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Shawn Strong

every single company i work for starts shooting on /buying the sony f-55. 4k is coming and production companys ask for it - doing mostly nature documentaries

January 9, 2014 at 6:28AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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geraldo

I honestly believe this is the beginning of "watered-down 4k". We'll see it in DSLRs, then phones and other specialty consumer cameras. A huge wave is upon us... people like us that read this site have been inundated by 4k talk in recent years... but it's not even really begun.

I kinda want to dive into a shelter, and wait out the storm. With 4k as the only spec that counts, wide DR, frame rate options and other important features will fall by the wayside. 2k or 1080 with 13-14 stops and frame rate options up to 120fps, would be absolutely awesome.

I've seen some up-scaled 2k to 4k images on 4k TVs, and it's very hard to see the difference if it's on a display under 50". On larger displays, you absolutely do see it, especially in theaters. But for what the average person has in their home... it's just not worth it.

January 9, 2014 at 10:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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John

"4K" / ultra hd will be very, very useful for average person. Not for movie experience but for working with ordinary desktop computer. This is area were you really benefit with higher pixel density. Be it music, art or even doing simply DTP work. Pro-people, programmers, gfx artist etc. will obviously love it.

But when it comes to seeing the difference, you are right. The real visual impact with smaller panels between 1080P / "4K" is really small.

I have heard from reliable source that Samsung is (internally !) handling the current 4K hype just like they did with whole HD Ready -thing. Those 720P panels etc. Their real goal is the Japanese standard Ultra HD television standard that is also now international TV union standard : the "8K" technology.

4K is also in this standard, but it is like the 720P was, kinda like "half way house" to full hd...

January 9, 2014 at 3:37PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Juhan-i

Anything that starts at the high end pro level and then descends to the uncouth masses will feel watered down. However, by NAB'14, as has been mentioned, you should see a bunch of 4K cams in all price ranges. Panasonic promises 120 fps with its Varicam and a compressed codec that should look very good in under 300 Gb/hr. To me, the next big step will be cameras with the HEVC rather than H.264 based codec. Maybe Varicam will have that, as GH4 does not.
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As to benefits of 4K - and, btw, the ongoing CES has several 8K big screens, as well as 4K+ products that use pixel shifting or what not to provide higher than 4K resolution without a better quality signal - one can add type/print and photography as well. Higher dynamic range and brightness is also coming along with different manufacturers deploying different technologies to achieve that.

January 9, 2014 at 5:57PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

Hey Joe, maybe an "allegedly" could be added to the article somewhere. The new info ($2k and February) is just a random Engadget writer having talked to some random, unnamed Panasonic rep. There's been no official announcement from Panasonic. Oh, and also I would say that there's about 0% chance that Panasonic would re-use the GH3 body on a new camera of this stature, which if it's anything near what the rumors say, will make a big splash when it comes out.

January 9, 2014 at 3:09PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Shenan

Oh gosh 4K 6K 8K film is more than specs, rolling shutter is NO. Resolution war No. A concept, workflow. Digital Bolex comes in my mind the next $$$$$$ face it

January 9, 2014 at 5:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Sarah

Today all computer screens fom 15" to big 26" do have the same resulution. 8K where are they? They make no sense for the content today!. Yes ..sorry.. for all guys - resolution is sexy. Film is art.. no resolution war

January 9, 2014 at 5:43PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Sarah

I wonder if this has a 60fps or higher for slow mo in 4k rez? :-D

January 9, 2014 at 8:42PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Cal

By the way, Samsung claims the technology for the 4K 4-layer Blu-Ray disc player has been basically finished. Once they achieve consensus on the codec (HEVC and/or VP9), they'll be ready to go, perhaps as early as the 2014 Christmas shopping season. Up and until then, there are a handful of the 4K streaming services that aim to be launched before this summer. The latest addition there is Technicolor/Dreamworks.

January 9, 2014 at 10:14PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

Do you have a link to the Tech/Dream thing? I am interested to read up.

January 9, 2014 at 10:23PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

More content. This makes a Seiki tv much closer to being my monitor/tv!

This quote is interesting: "According to the Consumer Electronics Association, an estimated 500,000 Ultra HD TVs are expected to ship in the U.S. during 2014."

Honestly I am looking forward to 8k. I know that's a few years away--about as far away as some think 4k is. But if I ever find myself in Japan, or South Korea, and possibly England, in soon coming years it will be interesting to see.

January 10, 2014 at 12:27AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

Beware of 8K, its completely different experience! You are facing window effect, no more classic feeling of footage with less details. 8K is not bad or good its just completely different.

January 13, 2014 at 1:42PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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hawaj

I don't find any sentimental feelings about the traditional look, or "filmic".

January 13, 2014 at 7:17PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

I don't understand the logic of 4K with a MFT sensor. Like trying to drive an eighteen wheeler with a four cylinder engine.

January 10, 2014 at 8:52AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Mookie

It's really not much smaller than Super 35mm.

January 10, 2014 at 9:09AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Tim Foster

Ultra HD definition from ITU (2012) :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._2020

January 10, 2014 at 10:01AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Juhan-i

The new 60" and 120" Vizio Reference series TV's will have Rec 2020, when they are released late summer.

January 10, 2014 at 6:55PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

The 120", 10 bit, 4k. :-) Can I afford one? Yes. Do I want to buy one? No.

videos about it at links:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/07/ces-we-feast-our-eyes-on-vizios-1...

http://www.digitaltrends.com/ces-videos/vizio-just-went-budget-brand-big...

January 10, 2014 at 11:25PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

Funny that people can't just enjoy this step of progress and find the positives.

January 10, 2014 at 10:11AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

I agree, however, with the information currently available, I guess many people are concerned they won't give us more features for 1080p. I myself want this to be my first video centric dslr. With the tech available on this sensor, many of us are more concerned about more DR and higher frame rates in a compact package. We don't want panasonic to skip these and then start with 4k that has poor DR.

Think of it as jitters. It's great if 4k is available, we just don't want them to be lazy with "finishing" the 1080p or 2k feature set first. I'm looking for a strong 1080 codec and 120fps. I don't even have a monitor or memory cards for 4k yet. For me it's a waste of time. Hope this explains our mindset.

January 11, 2014 at 12:42PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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thecouchguy

I don't mind constructive criticism. I think because people like to be brief in their comments they leave out a few things maybe they should say. So their comment might not come across as constructive criticism, or things they wish for, but just as criticism. I did catch what you mean in some people's comments though. One thing I will say is we didn't get everything we could out of 720p before we went on to 1080p. Maybe this is the way it's always going to be.

I was really happy about this news because I like Panasonic's video color palette and image qualities. I was thinking there'd be more positive comments in the thread. I think you were trying to point out that comments were coming across in a way people didn't intend.

I do see promise in this camera. I am still keeping my powder dry until I see actual footage from it in February. But this may be my first 4k camera. I'm also wondering about the still image quality. I'm not big on Panasonic's color photography. I do like the black and white, and a few of effects they have. I'm hoping the color stills are a cut better than the GH3.

Anyway, I get your point that the comments are coming across not quite like intended.

January 11, 2014 at 2:23PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

Ha ha...Panasonic stuck a small label with 4k printed on it on to a GH3...and put it in a glass box.

Next...Engaget.com has a gallery of photos showing the new GH4. Welcome to the funky world of internet journalism.

January 11, 2014 at 6:34PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Skeptikal

I'll take dynamic range over resolution every time.

January 14, 2014 at 12:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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