February 12, 2014

New Sony A6000 & Canon T5 Cameras Reveal the Strategies of Two Completely Different Companies

Sony and Canon both picked today to introduce new lower-end cameras. While Panasonic made the big splash with the 4K GH4, and Blackmagic is lowering the price of their 4K offering, the Blackmagic Production Camera 4K, the Canon T5 and Sony A6000 aren't really answers to either of them. They are both designed to be cheap entry-level models, but the differences in specs and features show just how far apart the two Japanese companies are in terms of their product lines.

Here are the specs for the Sony A6000:

  • 24.3MP APS-C Exmor APS HD CMOS Sensor
  • Tru-Finder 0.39" 1,440k-Dot OLED EVF
  • 3.0" 921k-Dot Xtra Fine Tilting LCD
  • 1920 x 1080p / 60 fps (28Mbps)
  • 1920 x 1080p / 24 fps (24Mbps)
  • ISO 100-25600
  • Built-In Wi-Fi Connectivity with NFC
  • Fast Hybrid AF & 179 Phase-Detect Points
  • Up to 11 fps Shooting
  • Multi-Interface Shoe and Built-In Flash
  • Auto Object Framing and Multi Frame NR
  • Clean HDMI
  • Zebras
  • Availability: April
  • Price: $650 Body Only, $800 with 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS Zoom Lens

And the Canon T5:

  • 18MP APS-C CMOS Sensor
  • EF-S 18-55mm IS II Lens Included
  • DIGIC 4 Image Processor
  • 1080p 30/25/24 fps
  • 720p 60/50 fps
  • ISO 100-6400
  • 3" LCD Screen
  • 9-Point Autofocus System
  • 3 fps Continuous Shooting
  • Scene Intelligent Auto Mode
  • Compatible with Canon EF and EF-S Lenses
  • Availability: March
  • Price: $550 with 18-55mm Lens

The A6000 is obviously a bit higher in price than the T5, and while they aren't directly comparable, it's simply stunning how much more tech Sony is fitting into their camera than Canon is in theirs. Not to harp on Canon (because Nikon isn't much better), but Canon has essentially released the same 18MP camera over and over again for the last 3-4 years. The only thing that has changed is the body and some features here and there. Still the same 30fps at 1080p, and they are still sticking with the mirror technology even though it's clear that it's on the way out, especially for lower-end cameras.

The new Sony camera has clean HDMI and crazy-fast autofocus (possibly the fastest in the industry), and while it's a little more money with the lens than the Canon, it's just miles and miles ahead. The T5 could have been released three years ago and most of us would have looked at it in the same way. I guess when you have a product that sells well, there might be some fear about changing it, but at some point won't they want to innovate in this space?

Canon's lens history might be keeping them from reinventing the wheel, but look at what Sony has done. The E-mount is fully compatible with the A-mount lenses with a Sony adapter, and at some point they may just get rid of the A-mount completely -- but people won't be stuck as long as they get an adapter. While Canon's mirrorless mount is also compatible with EF lenses, they don't seem as willing to push the mirrorless technology and really bring their entire line into the 21st century (and again Nikon is no better).

While I don't think video quality will be too drastically different between the two models (Sony's will probably have the edge), just on specs alone the A6000 is a far more interesting model than the T5 -- even if it is a little more expensive.

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Those execs at Canon just don't get it. Who are they trying to impress? Shareholders? It's not gona work much longer.

February 12, 2014 at 4:52PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Nate

They get it. People will continue to buy their products, because, well, it's Canon.

February 12, 2014 at 5:01PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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moebius22

Since so many well-heeled hobbyists buy Canon 5Ds, their friends inevitably by Ts.

February 12, 2014 at 5:59PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Juan Lindo

Everyone buys a Canon, because they know someone else who has one. Canon knows they can sell cameras on brand recognition and saturation alone.

February 12, 2014 at 6:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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moebius22

Not forever. It's shortsighted not to innovate when there are so many disruptors coming in.

February 13, 2014 at 11:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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The t2i was great! and the t4i is good too...

February 12, 2014 at 8:13PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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David J. Fulde

exactly, which is why this doesnt relate to us. Had it said T5i, with those meesly specs, id join the panic party.

February 13, 2014 at 12:40AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Robert, the T5i already came out last year with more of the same bland boring and outdated specs.

Why on earth anybody buys a Canon APS-C on specs/performance I do not know, it purely is the Canon marketing machine at work.

February 13, 2014 at 12:45AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Yes, I absolutely loved my T2i... back in 2010.
But then I bought a NEX-5N. I got it basically because it was cheap and had 1080p60. But then I did a very detailed shootout between the two, and ended up selling the T2i on ebay. It wasn't better than the 5N in any respect (except for ML goodies such as waveform and custom cropmarks).
That was 18 months ago. The world is moving on, and Canon still somehow thinks I'll buy a C100.
http://www.vimeo.com/similaar/shootout2012

February 13, 2014 at 4:04AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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my excuse is that i'm getting raw video on my 50d.

but it's mostly a love hate relationship still

February 12, 2014 at 7:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Has it ever occurred to you that there are a lot more people that use DSLR's for other stuff (parties, social events, youtube stuff, events, art, etc) than just videography?

This is NOT a video camera

February 12, 2014 at 8:15PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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john jeffries

Thank you, If you want a video camera buy a video came. The t5 is more of a photography camera, video comes secondary.

February 13, 2014 at 11:24AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Joe

Nice of them to re-release the T2i.... Which I thought they were already essentially doing with the T3i-T5i..... Lame

February 12, 2014 at 4:54PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Mike Hendzel

If you want more features on cameras in lower price levels, forget about Canon.

February 12, 2014 at 4:56PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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moebius22

All my next cameras are going to be Sony or Panasonic. EOSHD has done a good job criticizing Canon for not innovating and taking their customers for granted. They seem to just think that video is still an afterthought on DSLRs.

February 12, 2014 at 4:57PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Angelo

No. They just want you to do it on a real video camera. C100/C300/C500. Why would you really even want to shoot serious video on a T(anything). Canon's C300 and 500 are quickly becoming the standard workhorse in professional production.

February 12, 2014 at 5:03PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Santa Clause

What exactly is "serious video" Santa Clause?

February 12, 2014 at 5:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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moebius22

If you want more in video, then buy a real video camera.

February 12, 2014 at 6:07PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Santa Clause

Get off your high horse mate. People have to start somewhere. And the price difference between a T(whatever) and a C(whatever) is phenomenal.A DSLR can be fine depending on what you're doing.

February 12, 2014 at 7:08PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Every C-series camera besides the C500 is not serious in my book. Blackmagic Cams provide real "serious" quality for the price of a DSLR. Canon (and other companies) have no excuses anymore in my book for creating these artificial market segments.

Everyday in LA here, I hear more talk of Blackmagic... people recognize the look and they like it. Much better than the C300 and such... way less digital looking. Probably won't get used in TV and documentary like the C300... but people love it for film-looking narrative projects.

February 13, 2014 at 8:00PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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bwhitz

+1 @bwhitz, C500 with Codex or 5D3 with ML the rest of Canon are overpriced jokes.

February 16, 2014 at 4:53AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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P337

Hahahaha, Canon's not becoming standard with any model.

February 12, 2014 at 5:44PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Pat

^ this.

February 12, 2014 at 6:00PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Juan Lindo

If you are buying a T2-T5 what are you really expecting in video for $500. Seriously. Why would Canon not protect their other higher end video products. Consumers kill me expecting RED specs on a freaking wal-mart camera.

February 12, 2014 at 6:02PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Santa Clause

The C100/300/500 are wal-mart specs at RED prices...

February 13, 2014 at 9:10AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Pat

That's funny because over the last 3 years I've been an AC/DIT on "serious" productions and about 3 weeks ago was the first time I worked with the C300. All three C300's had major card errors with lost data footage in a Reality environment, one losing a card slot functionality altogether on the second day. My gigs have always been Arri, RED or Sony F65, F55, or F5. The only Canons I've seen on set are the Unit Photographers or low key BTS guys and lately Nikon has been winning those guys over.

February 12, 2014 at 6:22PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Jorge Cayon

Strange. I have worked a lot with the C300 (4 different units for a total of approx 45 days of work in Congo, Monaco, South Africa and Belgium) in harsh conditions and never had a single error. It worked flawlessly.

That said the C300 and C500 are in no way the workhorse standard. The C300 is a widely used in doc / corporate work but out of those fields... and the C500 is a standard in no field at all.

February 12, 2014 at 6:49PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Haroun Souirji

Oh come on, I've shot the C300 in rain and deserts, at least 100+ hours of footage, never an error - it simply has to be the cards you were using, or perhaps the reader, especially since it happened on all of the cameras. It has dual CF slots for chrissakes, couldn't you record a safety when it started going wrong?

Sure the C300 is overpriced for the specs, but it is a rock solid piece of equipment.

February 12, 2014 at 7:56PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Davíð

Or the DIT.

February 13, 2014 at 3:46AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Saied

So when a shooter comes up to my station and tells me he just ran his camera for a long important scene that cannot be re done, and having to span across both cards that his recording didn't hold because a slot b failure, what am I supposed to do? Tell him "hey bro, that is a Canon C300 that has worked in the Congo, and in rain and deserts, that should not happen!". #CanonInCongo

His camera only kept a few clips that were initially recorded to slot a and the last clip that had to span over to slot b failed and cannot be viewed in any software or played back through the camera. The next day Camera C took a crap as slot A failed first thing in the morining. It's definitely not the cards, I had 52 CF's and tried well over 20 empties, and some with archived footage from same cams. Always the same 'initialize card error'.

I'm sure the C300 is a decent camera, but not worth the price. I'm also fully aware that things happen, and camera maintenance is key. Not to mention the build out is to be planned in advance as the camera cannot just be picked up ready to shoot.

February 13, 2014 at 10:04AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Jorge Cayon

OK, and were all 50 cards certified to work with the C300, as the camera requires a certain level of maintainable speed, with Canon supplying a (very) short list of CF cards they have tested and verified (see: http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/misc/cinemaEOS_faq.shtml)? Or were they just an amalgamation of various CF cards, also used for DSLR's, Sound recorders and such? The CF card standard is old, non-proprietary and popular, so there is a lot of junk out there. Picking the right cards would probably be the DIT's/Data wrangler's job...

I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but It just seems obvious that it was NOT the cameras, as you had THREE of them fail on the SAME shoot - what are the odds of that?! I doubt anyone has such a horror story about even the RED Epic in it's initial, beta-like state - sure, a failure, maybe even a failure on the backup cam too, but then the backup for the backup fails on the same day? Hardly... The fault just has to be somewhere else in the pipeline. Either that, or your reality show was shot inside an active microwave oven.

February 13, 2014 at 6:04PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Davíð

You're right, you are no Sherlock Holmes. All CF cards were the same brand and specs. Sandisk Extreme Pro's and a few Lexar Pro 600x. All 3 cameras did suffer malfunctions on the shoot. One lost slot A functionality, another slot B and the last camera kept dropping all the DP's setting and profiles whenever shut down or the Canon battery was swapped, even if DC power was connected through an Anton Bauer pack. How are any of those things within my control as the AC and DIT?

I love how It"s my job to tell a production coming to my city from LA how to pick their gear and cards. They fly in with gear. I prep it the day before the shoot starts. We start to rock & roll. What gear they choose is out of my control. All I can do is support them as best as possible. It's seems like the blame should fall on me when in all honesty none of the issues that arose could've been prevented on my end.

Sure I've had problems with other brands, catastrophic too. But for a Camera that Costs upwards of $16k, closer to $22K with all the kit, I would think that is should perform better. I get it, some of you guys are fanboys for Canon so it might be shocking that this Holy Grail of a camera failed on a shoot. It did. We adapted and still finished the show. Granted not as smoothly.

February 14, 2014 at 8:39AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Jorge Cayon

T2i price is ridiculously low. That's why I have one and shoot video on it.

February 12, 2014 at 6:50PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Good on ya

February 12, 2014 at 9:13PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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sam

Even if you're arguing from the angle of low cost, buying a Canon DSLR makes zero sense.

Incredible deals can be found on second hand Micro Four Thirds cameras. For instance last week I got a Panasonic G3 for just US$150 and also a Panasonic GF3 for only US$150 (including a kit lens with it!).

An indie filmmaker a decade ago would gives his kidney to have this available to himself! :-o And now it costs almost nothing.

Is why I say a new comer to filming should get a Panasonic GH1, G3, or G5 second hand (which are all much better deals than a T4i/650D) and spend the rest on audio/lenses/lighting/rigging.

February 13, 2014 at 3:35AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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David Peterson

What lenses will you be using with the GH3? $150.00 certainly is a nice price for a camera that is a good as that one! It's unbelievable really.

February 14, 2014 at 6:41AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene (not the 3...

Totally agree, I picked up an EOS-M for $200 and a GF3 for $100 just to play around with. I like keeping something around with Magic Lantern and PTool, just for fun. And they make great party cameras, I love showing up with a pancake lens then switching to a massive telephoto zoom while everyones back was turned lol.

February 16, 2014 at 4:59AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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P337

If canon expects me to buy a C100, well, I hope they're not holding their breath. I'll be using Sony and BlackMagic and Panasonic cameras instead, thankyouverymuch.

February 13, 2014 at 4:05AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Not really clear on what you are saying. But if i am not mistaken, de precies version the EOS 1100D is still one of the best selling camera's in the industry. It may not be able to do all those fancy things the Sony does, but what it does do, it does great and the people who buy it know that too. Mirrorless, although as you say has a lot of upsides to traditional SLR's, but it still doesn't sell as well. So Canon isn't so hopeless.

February 12, 2014 at 5:02PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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marcel

Anyone have any opinion on the A6000 vs. the a77?

February 12, 2014 at 5:04PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Jesse

A77 is done. A7 and A7R are its replacements. A99 should see a GH4 type update with 4K.
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My take on this is that Canon doesn't have anything major ready in their mid-to-high end cameras - 7DII, 5D MK IV, 1D XII/CII, updated Cinema line - so they just went for the meat of the market with some leftovers and their new Point&Shoot compacts (which seem overpriced as well). They also don't know where to separate their smaller mirrorless tech and their bread&butter DSLR's. They may announce something at the NAB in April or they may wait until Photokina in September. Nikon is in sort of a similar mode, although they received far better reviews for their latest in D3300 ($650, incl. 18-55 kit lens) and D5300 ($800 body only, $900 with 18-55mm).
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These are interesting times for the photo-video industry. The smartphones are devouring their P&S sales and their higher priced units are becoming much harder to justify with the $1K-$2K products from Fuji, Olympus, Sony and Panasonic doing pretty much everything anyone would want in a hybrid stills-video cam. Even glass - a traditional source of easy money - is seeing competitive entries from the likes of Samyang, Rokinon, Sigma that squeezes these profits as well. The worst fear for the Big Two is that this is the end of a twenty year product cycle where everything is good enough and every option is tapped out.

February 12, 2014 at 6:29PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

I somewhat agree with this and it's an interesting take. Do you have any idea as to what is keeping canon from pushing harder in the mirror-less segment?

February 13, 2014 at 6:08PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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ArchiCine

The number one reason is all the tens of millions of legacy lenses out there. That's what helps them and Nikon sell their DSLR bodies. If they go mirrorless, they'll have to do it with their point&shoots without the interchangeable lenses and that pits them against the smart phones and the more entrenched companies such as Olympus, Sony, Panasonic and Fuji that do have their own lenses.
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BTW, as I had brought up before, Samyang (also makes Rokinon, Bower and other brands) has announced a couple of days ago that it was going to begin manufacturing the non-manual/in-camera controlled lenses. Being a South Korean manufacturer, they should be able to undercut pricing levels of the Japanese conglomerates. Rokinon has established a decent reputation for its value and the Japanese based electronics firm have generally had a very difficult time competing against the Koreans (to wit, the rise of Samsung and LG over the last two decades). This is good news for the consumers, not good news for Canon, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, etc.

February 13, 2014 at 11:32PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

Kinda sad. Canon is taking hostage buyers who have invested or want to invest in EF lenses, in both the lower end and high end markets. They will just give the absolute minimum in features and get away with it.

This has probably been a wining strategy for them but it is going to wear up in the mid range to top of the line market. Sony is doing things right and I am pretty sure Panasonic is going to come with some impressive stuff at NAB.

Canon did a great job with the C300 (even though overpriced). They got a great mix of image quality, design and ease of use. But it was also one of the major milestone in there politic of not keeping low specs and delay features. I hope they have prepared something big for the 7DII but I highly doubt it. The 7DII, that offers the DSLR goodness in a close to S35 format would be a perfect place for them to make a big hit... It has been a while since they have impressed anybody. I wonder how many C500 they have sold.

February 12, 2014 at 5:07PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Haroun Souirji

As other brands catch up to where the 550D was a few years ago, by that time todays pro cameras will be accessible to those with a 5D, and other brands will be giving 5D for what cannon is still releasing as the 550D.

Canon isn't innovating, and it will bit them in the ass when they realize just how much of their customers are video users.

February 12, 2014 at 5:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Tyler

> "As other brands catch up to where the 550D was a few years ago"

Eh??? Canon has *NEVER* been in the lead. So what is this talk about "catch up"?

Even before the 5DmkII was released, the stock Panasonic GH1 was ahead of where the 5DmkII was at release.

February 13, 2014 at 3:38AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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The 550D was rather amazing when it same out. It had the same sensor of the 7D for half the price. It was a great bcam for the 7D and because of the price it allowed me to shoot my first feaure length doc.

And by the way the GH1 (2009) was released after the 5D Mark II (2008) so how was it superior before it?

February 13, 2014 at 4:58AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Haroun Souirji

Ef is a great mount to invest in given some of the alternatives. That being said I really like the concept of interchangeable lens mounts, like what Zeiss offers on their compact primes. I am beholden to no company and If I want to pick up my marbles and go home, I can.

February 12, 2014 at 7:02PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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CC

Interchangeable mounts would be great for sure. And I agree EF mount is great to invest in especially since we got affordable active adaptors (such as Metabones). All my lenses are EF and it is great to be able to use it on my canon and and sony cameras. I wish zeiss EF lenses had manual iris like the nikon versions though...

February 12, 2014 at 7:17PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Haroun Souirji

I really hope Nikon sees what sony is doing and chases after that.

Sony has designed what I would think of as being nearly the perfect camera, but I really don't want to invest in a new line of lenses. Take this body and put in an F-mount? I'll take two!

February 12, 2014 at 5:18PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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+1

February 12, 2014 at 5:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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D5300 = best entry level cam for still and video. Same amount of moiré and aliasing as 5Diii. Great sensor size.

February 12, 2014 at 6:16PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Seeooh

> "I really hope Nikon sees what sony is doing and chases after that."

They already have :-) For a number of models in a row now.

The recent D5300 is the class leader for APS-C DSLRs to film with.

It is an improvement over the D5200, that was already very good:
http://www.eoshd.com/content/tag/nikon-d5200

February 13, 2014 at 3:39AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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You can call Nikon and request thee features you are wishing it had. If they get enough request from people that use their cameras, or want to use their cameras, they may listen and make the changes you are wishing for. I am going to call Nikon and make some requests because I like the qualities of their video more than any other maker. For me, video straight from the camera is the most pleasant looking of all makers.

February 14, 2014 at 6:49AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene (not the 3...

Why would canon take away the articulating screen?

February 12, 2014 at 5:23PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Rob

I think nofilmschool mixed up the T5 with the T5i.

February 12, 2014 at 6:08PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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moebius22

Didn't mix anything up. That's the new T5 which was announced today.

February 12, 2014 at 6:56PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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This is the replacement of the T3, which also didnt have an articulating screen. Honestly, at that entry point market the difference between the articulating screen or not is how they differentiate the T5 and the T5i.

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_...

February 13, 2014 at 9:59AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Chris

To whome it may concern,

Who are these cameras for? Times have changed, there is now a cheap entry-level camera in everyones pocket. My phone can shoot stills, panoramics, HD video, slow motion video and... with an endless eco system of cheap apps I can edit movies and manipulate my photos in a million of different ways. Moreover my phone is always connected to the internet, which allows me to share the photos I take and the movies I've create on my phone all over the world with a touch of my screen. And best of all I'm so sickly and hopelessly addicted to this phone I always have it with me. Thanks Sony and Canon but Apple and Android has got us covered at the entry-level. Go get to work with your pro and prosumer markets please. There are people out there that actually need you.

Sincerely,
Everyone

P.S. Canon if you could find it in your cold black hart to offer a great-ish cine lens in the 1,000 to 1,500 U.S. dollar price range. I've got my check book waiting.

February 12, 2014 at 6:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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CC

OK I agree T5i cold be a lot better, but sony doesn't have MAGIC LANTER!!!!

February 12, 2014 at 6:24PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Paulo Emilio

Magic lantern deserves a cut from Canon. The only reason I have my 60D is because of the Lantern. I'm switching next billing. Will still keep my Lantern though, good for stills, menu options and of course the few seconds of RAW :-)

February 12, 2014 at 7:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Tasmaniac

It is really disorienting compaing comments on photography versus video sites. Photography commenters complain about the lack of a decent mirror based viewfinder and autofocus points. They also complain about the inclusion of any video features whatsoever. Video people complain about the lack of full fledged video features and that Canon hasn't focused on the mirrorless camera. Whose right? I'm so confused? At least both the video and photo people can agree that Canon isn't doing enough innovating and that they aren't buying a new Canon camera.

February 12, 2014 at 7:19PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Casey

Sony and Panasonic seem to do both video and stills well. Canon is caught between the cycles. (70D came out to pretty good reviews last fall, even if only for its auto focus system, as its moire is indefensible at that price range)
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To prove the point - in their hush-hush GH4 presentation (basically, a brochure on how to sell it), Panasonic compared it with the "7D successor" ... but only on the shutter life. So, you know that new units will be out eventually. Just don't know where or when (with an ode to Rodgers and Hart).

February 12, 2014 at 7:52PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

The fact is, the photography market is pretty much tapped out at this point. And as for the low-cost intro buyers they seem to be chasing here, sorry but the smartphone market is going to steal those people away.

The best thing Canon could do right now is to focus on the low-cost film-maker market they accidentally tripped into before they lose that too.

February 12, 2014 at 7:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Peter

"Amidst these conditions, looking at our Camera business, the economic slowdowns and the effect of expanding sales of smartphones led to the continued contraction of the compact cameras market. And for interchangeable lenses cameras, we carried out inventory adjustment at the beginning of the year, after which we faced weaker-than-expected sales. As a result, we recorded unfavorable results in this business segment."

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1982701-canon-management-discusses-2013-...

February 12, 2014 at 7:58PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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After looking at all the comments above.....(Not UNDER).........I can see why Canon is KING.......the post talked about two cameras SONY & CANON and all you guys did was talked about Canon............now you do the math.

February 12, 2014 at 8:34PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Al

The talk has generally been about how the mighty have fallen.

February 12, 2014 at 9:59PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

canon are not "King"-
they are becoming overpriced antiques

February 12, 2014 at 9:14PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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sam

I'll complain about canon's updates but I have a sneaking suspicion the magic lantern guys will keep amazing me.

February 13, 2014 at 12:39AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Dan

> "Not to harp on Canon (because Nikon isn’t much better), but Canon has essentially released the same 18MP camera over and over again for the last 3-4 years."

So so so wrong. With the D5200/D5300/D7100/D3300 Nikon have taken a *MASSIVE* lead over Canon in the APS-C space in both photography and filming.

Just look at how well the Nikon D3300 performs on DxOMark (and remember, we're talking about the camera at the *bottom* of Nikon's range!):

http://nikonrumors.com/2014/02/11/nikon-d3300-camera-tested-at-dxomark.a...

"Signal quality of the Nikon D3300 sensor compares well against other APS-C models in the line-up and it outshines that of rival entry-level models. Although the results are similar to its predecessor, the removal of the AA filter promises improved sensor resolution. Combine that with the revised features and capability and the new Nikon D3300 looks better value than ever."

http://www.dxomark.com/Reviews/Nikon-D3300-sensor-review-Revised-entry-l...

It blows away Canon APS-C DSLRs! Heck, even when you compare it against Nikon's own DSLRs but from an older generation it is gobsmackingly good.

For instance the Nikon D3300 is a "better" camera than a Nikon D3 (according to DxOMark, and not at very stupidly high ISO levels, and doesn't have a weather proofing and other such extra features etc... so yes, just focus here on the sensor for a moment, and ignore all the pro features :-P )! A Nikon D3 was a top of the line full frame pro camera from not that long ago, and still goes for thousands of dollars second hand.

So slap a big battery grip on your D3300, a huge honking flash unit, and a massive lens hood, then call yourself "pro"! ;-) :-P

That then is photography performance of Nikon's DX / APS-C range vs Canon. How about video?

Again, for a while now Nikon has been absolutely crushing Canon.
http://www.eoshd.com/content/9586/is-the-cheap-nikon-d5200-a-better-opti...

Its very affordable Nikon D5200 even compares favourably against the much much more expensive Canon 5DmkIII:
http://www.eoshd.com/content/9713/nikon-d5200-vs-canon-5d-mark-iii

February 13, 2014 at 12:42AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Sheesh, Nikon wins in that comparison. I don't know why Nikon doesn't make camcorders and professional video cameras. I want one!

February 15, 2014 at 1:07AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene (not the 3...

Canon is working really hard to become the new Kodak, circa 1990s.

February 13, 2014 at 4:16AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Tulio

Sony - AVCHD, Canon - H264

February 13, 2014 at 4:56AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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There is very little difference in this. AVCHD is a standard that requires the use of the .h264 codec. So basically you are comparing a particular kind of apples (say honey crisp) to apples.

February 13, 2014 at 8:50AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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No microphone jack on the Sony? Really?? Otherwise looks like a great camera.

February 13, 2014 at 5:11AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Will

"a Multi Interface shoe is available for attaching external flashes, continuous lights, or microphones"

Taken from BH product description. Good to know it is possible with an accessory. Would have been better directly on the body but the T5 has none at all (the T5i has one).

February 13, 2014 at 5:21AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Haroun Souirji

Nevertheless i still would buy a 100 + ninja if i would need a good hd documentary camera now. Also not shure if the gh4 fits my needs.

February 13, 2014 at 6:55AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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geraldo

I'm just saying that I can see something in the idea of a company like Canon doing "boring" conservative releases and concentrating on stability, and the price reflects that. Doesn't Arri have the same mentality, regardless of what you get at the top end ?

The only boo-boos I can think of that Canon made were the rattling accessory handle on the XA-10 camcorder, and a fringing issue on the C300 which was swiftly corrected (there are people here with no idea if BM will fix outstanding software issues on the cinema camera). If a "boring" upgrade to c100 includes 4.2.2 or 60p, I might take the plunge.

Does anyone have any experience of using the older Canon FD lenses - how do you find them ?

February 13, 2014 at 7:17AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Saied

I use an FD 50 mm to lens whack with my 7D. I had to take the mount off the back. But I love the images I get from this lens.

Something I think people are missing here is that compared to the number of Rebels that Canon sells, Sony's market share in this price range is piddling so they have to pack in more features to attract sales. But you are not just selling an individual camera, you are selling a system with compatible lenses and accessories. Just like Apple gets you hooked on their ecosystem of itunes and Mac OS when you buy a Mac or an iPhone, these companies want to get you hooked on their system so when you buy the next camera you stick with them. Canon is the market leader and has been for a while. So they are lumbering giant. they are slow to react. is this surprising, No. Does it seem foolish? Yes. but they are making money doing it and that's all they care about.

The only way to get Canon to change is to stop buying their cameras. And then you've invested in a new systems and they can turn around and bring out something amazing. Which keeps people from switching. So either shut up and switch, or realizing you are sticking with the one who brung you. But either way take your camera and go out and make something with it.

February 13, 2014 at 9:03AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Solid advice !

February 13, 2014 at 12:36PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Saied

And just like that, the camera is numero uno on the Amazon mirrorless list.
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Which justifies posting another promo video - [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2f9ue2FJB4 ]

February 13, 2014 at 7:22AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

And, by the "mirrorless camera", I obviously meant A6000. On the DSLR side, Canon is cleaning up with its Rebel lines and, as long as the DSLR's are big in the US and Europe, the US and Europe will get more DSLR's. The Asian and South American markets are moving toward the mirrorless.

February 13, 2014 at 5:03PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

Everywhere is moving toward mirrorless. America is slowly.

February 15, 2014 at 1:09AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene (not the 3...

Sony needs to focus their lines more, they have like 250 camera models. If they focused on like 10, 20 good ones. They would be amazing cameras. Canon just needs to innovate more. For being "the biggest" (based on company market value) of any company selling video cameras, it needs to compete better even if it's offerings aren't in the same price range. I mean canon has 0 raw shooting cameras. Even the C500 isn't as good as Sony's offerings. Panasonic and Blackmagic seem to be doing better than both of them and they both only have one line of cameras.

February 13, 2014 at 9:31AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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This entry level Canon isn't as good as a Red Epic! NERD RAGE!!! (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)

February 13, 2014 at 4:03PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Jake

Hey, you threw a bomb and ran a way! ;^)

February 15, 2014 at 1:10AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene (not the 3...

Sony's color is so good you almost don't need color grading. Give the A6000 the ability to shot at 240fps and I don't think I would ever need any other camera. Unfortunately it looks like Sony won't give you anything slower than 60fps until you get to about the $7000 mark. Would love it if someone could tell me I was wrong about that, though.

February 13, 2014 at 10:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Ryan Maelhorn

Sony is consistently give us more bang for our buck on their camera releases. I currently have the FS100 and NEX 5n. I love both of these cameras, especially when I throw the speedbooster on it.

February 14, 2014 at 1:58AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Canon Rumors says that there will be new units (a 7D replacement/update?) announced at the NAB, including perhaps a 4K camera in the Cinema line. At this time, it's sort of a rumor of a rumor though.

February 14, 2014 at 4:56AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

February 14, 2014 at 8:51AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Ching

We just don't give a f#ck .

February 23, 2014 at 7:11AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Teub

When speaking about only video performance, I think both canon and sony are slouching . Why ? they both are only offering moire filled video at the same frame rates and bitrates. Panasonic is the only company who is breaking the mold..and blackmagic of course. The problem with BM is their cameras make great images but the camera themselves are nothing to write home to mother about. Sony, on the other hand is making absolutely beautiful objects but underperformers. Panasonic , for example the g6, is absolutely amazing for it's price. Imagine if the sony a6000 had prores. Now that would be a camera ! And if BM could do it in the bmpcc , so could sony in a nex body.

February 14, 2014 at 5:17PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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kurth

You're comparing different class product with a different price range with a different target market with a different sensor sizes, with different most of the items to be compared of.
Why complaining?
You sir, are qualified as a troll. No constructive nor positive evaluation/comments to be worth considering for!

February 14, 2014 at 11:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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bambang

+1

February 14, 2014 at 11:18PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Peter

Is it just me or does the T5 seem like a repackaged T2i? Not just the sensor but the segment and price too. Why would they even need this model with the SL1 and EOS-M around? At least the A6000 is like a repackaged NEX-7.

February 16, 2014 at 4:43AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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P337

Thats what I've been saying for a long time ..... But the fan boy wont get it they will say "apples and pears" etc but the only companies that are being innovate are the like of sony and fuji but that's because they have to if they want market shear

February 19, 2014 at 4:08PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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I thought you did a great job. Really nice cinematography. Why are some people on here so rude to each other?

March 19, 2014 at 11:35PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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JET

"We’re all here for the same reason: to better ourselves "
Judging from many of the comments in this thread, evidently not.
TO SITE ADMIN (if the site admin ever looks at these threads):
By leaving personal attacks and other garbage on the site, you are damaging your brand. Why would anyone come here twice, when most of what they see is petty troll stuff?

BTW, one problem with the video posted by Ching is the bad discoloration and posterizing on closeups of faces. Doesn't say much for the IQ of this camera.

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kawika