July 14, 2014

The Atomos Shogun 4K Recorder Is Now Available for Pre-Order (& It Comes with an Awesome Free Gift)

In the past month, two relatively revolutionary photo/stills cameras have hit the market. I'm talking, of course, about the Panasonic GH4 and the Sony A7s, both of which feature the ability to record 4K video (although not internally in the case of the A7s), and both of which offer high frame rate shooting at 1080. For a multitude of reasons relating to image quality, both of these cameras beg to be used with an external 4K HDMI recorder of some sort. The only problem -- no such recorder is available on the market yet. In a few months time, however, that will not be the case, as Atomos will have released its highly anticipated Shogun 4K recorder/monitor. Today, the company opened up the pre-ordering process for the Shogun, and for people who order prior to July 31st, Atomos is throwing in a kick-ass free gift as well.

First off, let's take a look at the features and specs of the Atomos Shogun, and you'll quickly see why people are so stoked to get their hands on this thing. These images and feature charts come straight from the Atomos site. Click for full size.

At this point, you're probably wondering about that free gift that we mentioned earlier. Well, for people who pre-order the Shogun before the 31st of July, they'll throw in a free Atomos Spyder, a portable tool which will help you calibrate your Atomos monitors so that you can get accurate color while you're on set. It's essentially a smaller version of the well-known Datacolor Spyder calibration systems that are designed for the Atomos monitors.

If you're interested in being one of the first to get your hands on the Atomos Shogun (and snagging the Spyder for free), head on over to this page on the Atomos website and set your pre-order in motion.

Link: Shogun-Preorder -- Atomos

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Does thus mean we can yse it in say a canon 550 d that can di raw but the card ut too slow so we get to use the recorder?

July 14, 2014 at 5:51PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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daniel kufuna

Afraid not. The Canon DSLRs, even with Magic Lantern, de-bayer and re-sample the image in the camera before it's sent out through the HDMI. Loosely speaking, it's this de-bayering and re-sampling process that's not so hot and gives you the soft image that we're used to without ML. As far as I'm aware, the only way to get raw on the Canon DSLRs is to stick to the internal memory cards I'm afraid.

July 14, 2014 at 6:07PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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The external recorders are limited to only recording what the camera is able to output. For example, if a camera outputs 8 bit 4:2:0 thorugh HDMI, that's all you can record. Some cameras though, do output 10 bit, 4:2:2 and 4K over HDMI, (A7s and GH4) so the Shogun will be useful for those. Not the Canon which can only output 8 bit 4:2:0 similar to the internal codec.

The C500 is an interesting combination with the Shogun by the way, especially with the enormous price drops. I can imagine the potential one can get from a C500 with a Shogun on the hotshoe. It will give you 4K raw at up to 60 fps, and 4K half-raw at 120fps, 2K at 12 bit 4:4:4, or 10 bit 4:2:2

So does everything in a little contained package that you won't need to upgrade for a few years to come, 4K for the future and RAW and super slowmotion. I can imagine how the 2K C300 files will look at 12 bit 4:4:4, it will be glorious!

July 14, 2014 at 6:25PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Saadawi

Have they said specifically that they will support Canon Raw from the C500? Canon has a slightly different way of outputting this data through sort of a back do into a broadcast standard signal sending the R G1 and B signals out an RGB pipeline and then adding the G2 signal essentially out a luminance pipeline and it has to be reconstructed on the other end into an RG1G2B signal so it can then be debayered. I haven't heard Atomos say they would support Canon 4K RAW out of the C500, but I might have missed that.

July 14, 2014 at 7:09PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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The Atomos CEO said it will work perfectly with the C500 in an interview with Newshooter.com

Anyway, it's the first time I know that HDMI cannot carry a RAW signal. Is it really true it's technically impossible? Not speaking of a certain camera, but the HDMI connection in general.

July 14, 2014 at 9:49PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Saadawi

HDMI is designed to carry a video signal, and a compressed one at that, either through sub-sampling or full on compression. It's designed for broadcast signals cause it is designed for use in the home, for your cable and TV and BluRay player. The following is from the HDMI wiki page:

"To ensure baseline compatibility between different HDMI sources and displays (as well as backward compatibility with the electrically compatible DVI standard) all HDMI devices must support the sRGB color space at 8 bits per component.[52] Support for the YCbCr color space and higher color depths ("deep color") is optional. HDMI permits sRGB 4:4:4 chroma subsampling (8–16 bits per component), xvYCC 4:4:4 chroma subsampling (8–16 bits per component), YCbCr 4:4:4 chroma subsampling (8–16 bits per component), or YCbCr 4:2:2 chroma subsampling (8–12 bits per component).[53][54] The color spaces that can be used by HDMI are ITU-R BT.601, ITU-R BT.709-5 and IEC 61966-2-4.[53]"

HDMI needs a video signal, debayered and put into a color space and divided into component color signals. There is no such thing as a RAW video signal. There is RAW data from the sensor, that different manufacturers deal with differently, which is why NLE's have to provide differing support for each as if they were dealing with a new codec. Each RAW camera packages the data and the computer has to debayer it to show you what it looks like. So even if you could cram the 1's and 0's of the RAW data stream onto an HDMI cable, nothing on the other end could decipher it. Anything that has an HDMI IN port is designed to recognized certain standards of video signal. They wouldn't know what to do and the screen would go blank.

July 14, 2014 at 11:41PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Just a little correction A7s will only do 8bit 4:2:2 not 10 bit
(and that is why I still have not bought it, thinking about it)

July 14, 2014 at 9:53PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Archie

You can't output a RAW signal over an HDMI cable. A RAW signal is incompatible with the video signal carried over HDMI. Why do people keep asking for this. These aren't magic boxes. Magic Lantern isn't actually magic. They are just tweaking the fucntions the camera already has to suit different needs. They are not adding codecs or formats, they are simply sidestepping the debayering and compression process and dumping data straight onto the card.

July 14, 2014 at 6:55PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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This looks like a good piece of kit. Expensive, but does quite a lot for the bucks.

Does this negate the need for the GH4 DMW-YAGH add on?

July 14, 2014 at 6:01PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Not entirely but I can't help thinking that it does go a long way to doing so. For example, if you need to sync timecode to a sound guys recorder, you'll still need the YAGH for its timecode-in port, or if you need solid SDI connections rather than flimsy micro HDMI (though gaffer tape works miracles!). The Shogun will let you record uncompressed 4K without the YAGH though, and I think I read somewhere that they're even making a LEMO breakout cable to give you XLR ports straight into the Shogun so that takes care of that too.

July 14, 2014 at 6:15PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Think there's a possible firmware update down the line to allow for TC in? or is this a hardware/port limitation?

July 14, 2014 at 6:49PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tim

You could always run a timecode signal into one of the XLR audio inputs on the Shogun from a sound recorder that generates timecode. There's an extra step in post but you have matching timecode that way.

July 14, 2014 at 6:59PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Thanks Ross

July 14, 2014 at 7:37PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Not really. The YAGH unit offers 5 lockable HD-SDI outputs, that many need vs. HDMI. A lot will get the YAGH and connect it to external recorders (Shogun) via SDI rather than HDMI. Also has two XLR inputs with proper monitors and audio knobs. Has Timecode in and a full HDMI output. It has specific needs for professionals.

The GH4 will output the 4K 10 bit 4:2:2 signal straight from the micro HDMI to the shogun though, so you don't need the YAGH if you can live with micro HDMI,

July 14, 2014 at 6:18PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Saadawi

Thanks Saa, This looks like it will do what I need most.

July 14, 2014 at 7:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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This is exactly the issue. Micro-HDMI is a borderline joke. It breaks very easily and it's really not suited for pro work. Good luck getting a re-take with talent because your external recorder lost it's connection or if you miss a shot and you don't even know it. It's a little disappointing that it only records UHD though(gh4 has true 4k output), but it's still a step in the right direction.

I wonder how the sound quality will be and if Panasonic addresses the audio buzz before touting the XLR inputs as a feature. The 10 bit output(not true 10bit though, but close enough) and SDI input are key and will set this apart from the Sony a7s.

When this recorder hits the market. I'll be looking to sell my GH4 body and pickup one with a YAGH as the GH4 has already paid for itself

July 15, 2014 at 3:42PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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GHDM

Why not just buy the YAGH for your existing GH4?

July 19, 2014 at 7:39AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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July 19, 2014 at 7:41AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Would this be possible to allow 4K out of the C100?

July 14, 2014 at 6:37PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Mitch

That would require the C100 outputting 4K out the HDMI, which it doesn't do and good luck convincing Canon do add that feature.

July 14, 2014 at 6:48PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Ah ok, thanks for clarifying.

July 14, 2014 at 6:57PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Mitch

Great timing on this. I just ordered my GH4 today.

July 14, 2014 at 6:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tim

Too bad the recorder doesn't support the GH4's Cinema 4K mode. Not a huge deal, just a few more pixels on the sides... but I like options.

July 14, 2014 at 8:59PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Brandon

O Thanks for mentioning this. I missed it. I may not buy the Shogun after all (rent it then).

July 14, 2014 at 9:54PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Archie

Yeah. I mean the reality is there are honestly going to be very few viable applications for the camera's C4K mode, because you're either going to a 16x9 HDTV, or you're going to the big screen, in which it's highly likely you're going to have a much more pricey camera anyway. But still. It's nice having the slightly wider aspect ratio as an option in the camera.

July 14, 2014 at 10:08PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Brandon

What are the cameras that output raw over HDMI or SDI?? I can't name one.

July 14, 2014 at 10:46PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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The C500 uses the SDI outputs to send the RAW data to an external recorder.

July 14, 2014 at 11:43PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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The "old" line of Arri Alexa send raw data through SDI outputs. The new XT line can record raw internally

July 15, 2014 at 7:42AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tom

The FS 700 sends it's RAW data to the Odyssey 7Q through an SDI line as well.

July 15, 2014 at 9:33AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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How much recording time would you get on a 64GB CFAST card?

July 14, 2014 at 11:03PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tim

Just curious. Aren't there any devices that can be connected to a Laptop with Thunderbolt or USB 3 to capture 4K via HDMI and recorded in Laptop?

July 14, 2014 at 11:53PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Archie

Blackmagic Design's Ultrastudio 4K should do this. But I suppose that you'd need a fast drive (possibly SSD) for recording this amount of data.

July 15, 2014 at 10:14AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Will this work with the Sony FS700 for 4K?

July 15, 2014 at 12:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Glen

If there's a license agreement to record Sony 4K Raw. Convergent Design charges for that feature quite a bit.

July 15, 2014 at 2:02AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

4k output from D5200???

July 15, 2014 at 2:46AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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No. That camera does not output 4k via HDMI. If it did, you would have heard about it, no doubt. Neither do any of the Canon DSLRs. Only the GH4, A7s, C500, and more expensive cameras.

July 15, 2014 at 9:55AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Thomas Barthle

....for about the next 3 months.
Stay tuned.

July 15, 2014 at 11:00AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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marklondon

Is it able to record 2.5k proress with this on a BMCC?

July 15, 2014 at 4:26AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Wander Andringa

I am wondering if you can get a 4:3 4K signal using this. The A7s has different aspect ratio options in 1080p mode.

July 15, 2014 at 12:11PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Talked to a Sony "rep". I guess it will in fact be able to record 4:3 in 4K via HDMI. This is an enticing option for anamorphic. 4:3/full frame/4K in Pro Res. Wish it was higher than 8 bit but in a 10 bit wrapper with SLog I doubt basic grading could ruin the image all that much.

July 15, 2014 at 5:49PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Do you know what exact resolution the 4:3 4k mode is? Also, do you know if shogun can record the 4:3 output?

July 16, 2014 at 8:46AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Dane

I don't know either of those, no. I wonder if the Shogun would still record a 16x9 image and you would just have black bars on the sides instead of the final 4:3 image.

If it's anything like the 1080p modes I would imagine the resolution would be 2880x2160.

July 16, 2014 at 11:43AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Question so could you record 4k at 24fps in the camera and 1080 at 120fps at the same time on the shogun? It doesn't make sense.

July 15, 2014 at 1:12PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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I'm not sure that's possible for the shutter.

July 15, 2014 at 2:58PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tim

I wonder if it will record uncompressed HD 10bit RGB 444 slog out of the SDI on the F3?

July 15, 2014 at 3:58PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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F3

Will this write 4K with FS-700?

July 16, 2014 at 5:46AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Alexandros

Is 2k just a completely bastard child now? Didn't Steven Soderbergh once say 2k was just fine in a talk about the film Che which was shot on the original Red?

July 16, 2014 at 5:27PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Earnest reply

I think 2K will exist for distribution. But for acquisition, the more the merry I say. You can always downscale and "soften" the sharpness but not the other way around.
I am excited about 4K is that the 8-bit 4:2:0 to something like 10-bit 4:4:4 (at least according to Andre Reid)

July 17, 2014 at 4:01PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Archie

I haven't heard of any full frame anamorphic lenses.
Zeiss? Anyone know more?

July 18, 2014 at 12:12AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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V. Anand

Longer lenses should cover. I know Kowa PL 50mm and up cover Dragon in 6K FF (which isn't full frame but it's as close as I've seen).

I will be doing some tests either way though.

July 18, 2014 at 4:28PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Will it record 120 fps from the sony a7s hdmi port or are we still stuck with 120 fps at 720p ?

Cheers for any response.

July 20, 2014 at 10:23AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Chris

I wonder if will serve for a blackmagic 4k at the slow motion

August 23, 2014 at 3:40AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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