Filmmaking 'Noob' & Singer/Songwriter Rain Perry Shares What She's Learned About the Craft

Folk-rock artist Rain Perry has some important questions about the music industry, so she's chosen celebrated music producer Mark Hallman to be the subject of a new documentary. The Shopkeeper takes us to Austin TX, where, after 35+ years in the business, Mark Hallman is still making music in his studio, The Congress House. How can Mark's life path (a songwriter turned producer) help answer questions about the state of things now? How can artists make a living in the age of Spotify? How has technology influenced artists and audiences alike? Rain sits down with No Film School to discuss being a "noob" to filmmaking, how it compares to creating music, and important lessons she's learned so far.

Perhaps widely known best for Beautiful Tree, the theme song to Life Unexpected, Rain Perry has an individual power to harness and captivate an audience, but does that quality translate to filmmaking? So I thought: here's an interesting opportunity to talk to someone who's making the transition into filmmaking, ask what she's learning and find out how her process is developing. All I know is that Rain is busy, she released her fourth album last year, she teaches, has two kids -- but all of this informs her when engaging her audience. She has a personal touch to everything that makes her an ideal collaborator.

Her subject Mark Hallman is an Austin legend who's produced some iconic musicians, amongst his laurels the likes of Carole King, Ani DiFranco and Oasis. While the multi-instrumentalist Hallman plays on most of the records he produces, his real instrument is The Congress House Studio. A modest, relaxed haven tucked away in the forests of Austin, the studio is literally "homey." But despite having produced over 60 artists, Mark has been put in a tight spot by the fickle state of the music industry. Is it possible to run a small, intimate studio in the age of downloads and Spotify?

[Disclaimer: I am the DP on this project!]

"Knowing also that it's still yet to be revealed, I kinda know not where it's going but how I'm getting there."

NFS: Where did you start when grappling with the idea of making a movie about your producer?

Rain: I had no idea where to start at all. I was a noob. And then we went to Austin and I found that it wasn't that much different from how we start with a record. That's how Mark works; we pick a song and we just start going. But he was my producer and I was the artist. In this case our roles are sorta reversed. And it's fun! I'm enjoying that aspect of it, creatively. I have artistic control on my records, but Mark is outside of me having a perspective I can't have, because I'm busy being the artist. So it's kinda fun having him be the victim.

NFS: He's the star this time!

Rain: Yeah which he kinda loves in some ways and is also kinda horrified by.

"I've been watching tons of documentaries and seeing how people do it, and seeing how much you can rely on just using audio."

NFS: What are the first three roadblocks you encountered when starting this film?

Rain: At first it was so daunting, it was just too much. How do I get a grip on everyone Mark worked with, etc. But now, like with everything, after a while you start to get a sense of mastery with the subject matter. So I know the arc of his life, his experiences and how he got to where he is. And I'm starting to understand which quadrants of his story are important to the movie and which ones aren't. It's just starting to come together.

NFS: Yeah, it's finding direction. You throw a boat on the ocean with a sail and you throw it up and say "go!"

Rain: I wasn't sure I could do it, but I quickly found that the way I put songs together in a record wasn't that much different from looking for the pieces of a story. And I wasn't sure I even had a story, but after we shot for a weekend and I started to transcribe everything, it just began to reveal itself to me. And remember I talked to you about the feel of the movie and setting up these stylistic components. The interviews, the B-roll, and once we were filming that stuff it clicked. Plus I've been watching tons of documentaries and seeing how people do it, and seeing how much you can rely on just using audio. You can get so much information in with archival stuff and people talking under it.

The Shopkeeper A Documentary about Mark Hallman and the Congress House

NFS: What things have you learned to do in interviews that help lead them to where you wanna go?

Rain: I learned that while I'm in the process of interviewing I have no idea what someone is saying. I really think that I remembered, but then I go back and watch the footage and there was something brilliant or amazing that was said. So what I'm learning to do is to let myself follow people down the path they start. Let them tell me things I didn't know they would say. Just being flexible is important. It's just getting more and more nuanced the more I do.

"Unless you're living with a Kardashian level of cameras with you all the time, how do you forget? How do you get those real moments?"

NFS: As someone who's never made a film before, but wants to interview some high-profile people, how are you approaching that issue?

Rain: Two things: The first is just getting over my fear of just asking. It's a lot easier because I'm doing it for Mark in a way. Making a movie about someone who a lot of people really care about makes it a lot easier, but it's for something bigger than just me and my record, or whatever. The second is, for some subjects that are really elusive, just letting go a little bit. There's one person that I would love to interview for this film, but it's just out of my control. There's no easy way to force it.

NFS: So that's just a coin toss then? You'll put it out there and then --

Rain: -- It'll happen or not.

NFS: You've known Mark for years. What has about bringing cameras into the equation do to the dynamic of the relationship?

Rain: I could tell just watching Mark that he's aware of the cameras, which is going to be a challenge actually. Unless you're living with a Kardashian level of cameras with you all the time, how do you forget? How do you get those real moments? When we go back [to Austin] one thing I wanna do is just have a dinner party, just his close friends and we're just gonna talk and forget about the cameras.

I'm also seeing that I'm doing things to him that he's done to me when he produces -- these little mind games to get what he wants out of me. For example, he has official ways of telling his stories. It's very historical. And I want that because I need those facts, but somehow I have to get at these other parts of him that I know are there, but I'm not quite sure how to get on camera.

NFS: Still digging for those, yeah -- Still trying to figure out how to get him drunk enough -- 

Rain: [laughs] But in terms of making the transition to making a movie: the creative part I'm really having fun with and am getting a feel for, but in terms of promoting -- there are just so many people who have been doing it longer, and here I come just fresh off the boat saying, "Okay, I wanna be in your festival."

NFS: That's great though. That's what the cinema of today is all about. The everyman making their story.

Rain: This could not be more of an everyman story, the way we're doing it and who Mark is.

NFS: What things from promoting music have translated over into promoting this project?

Rain: The ethic I'm carrying over is the one I've always tried to use, which is: being really real about it and try to connect with people in a personal way. It's really the only way I can promote anything. And I'm seeing that circle expanding to the people who are interested in this film who I've never met before. That home-grown approach to promoting is really the only thing I can do. I'm looking for ways in which this story is about these bigger issues that people are interested in.

"Some people wanna do everything or know everything. I'm pretty comfortable with the things I don't know."

NFS: How do you like directing?

Rain: A director of a film is like being a producer of a record, that's what I think. And it takes a certain kind of person who can guide the creative process or has the big picture. There's the technical stuff and the emotional stuff that you're wrangling. But you have to be just sort of naturally bossy. I teach and I've made a few records, I feel like I'm a pretty good collaborator. I want to let people do what they're doing, but I'm generally not too swayed by something someone thinks I should do.

NFS: You know what you want.

Rain: I just do things, I just go do things a lot.

NFS: That's the way I see it, as a director you're making decisions. Making a movie is just a long series of decisions. And you hope you make the right ones.

Rain: Someone needs to be in charge. But I approach this the same as music; I don't have the technical skills, so I need someone to explain that stuff to me and do it. Some people wanna do everything or know everything. I'm pretty comfortable with the things I don't know.

NFS: And anything you don't know, you'd be happy to read about on No Film School -- 

Rain: [Laughs] But it's true. I actually have learned a lot there. It's just so practical.


Thanks to Rain Perry for talking to us. Makes me feel young again. Let us know about your first time experiences with filmmaking!


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I've had some ideas for tiny/no budget docs, but get lost on where to start. For a project like this, how much prep is done before shooting. Do you worry about releases E&O and all that from the start, or do you just get some stuff recorded first to see if it will work?

August 27, 2014 at 11:53AM, Edited September 4, 8:56AM


I start by determining who are the key subjects essential to tell the story, research them and get their agreement to participate. Next I conduct the interviews. Interview content tells you what your story is and what additional material, interviews, etc you need.

August 28, 2014 at 2:03AM, Edited September 4, 8:56AM


Hey Jordan - we've done both. We just decided to go for it and start shooting. But I make sure to get releases from everyone before I interview them. That way you get them to sign it before they start confiding in you, and signing a legal document is not the last interaction they have with you.

August 27, 2014 at 11:13PM, Edited September 4, 8:56AM