December 12, 2014

Convergent Design's New Odyssey 7Q+ Can Record 4K ProRes via HDMI

Convergent Design Odyssey 7Q+
With the recent slew of cameras that can output a 4K signal over HDMI, it was only a matter of time before external recorders followed suit.

Convergent Design today announced the predecessor to their popular Odyssey 7Q external recorder, and it's fittingly called the Odyssey 7Q+. Although nearly identical in design, the Odyssey 7Q+ features the ability to record 4K and QHD to ProRes 422 (HQ) over HDMI, which makes it a perfect companion for the likes of the Panasonic GH4 and Sony A7s, as well as a plethora of other cameras.

Here's the launch video from Convergent Design, which shows off the versatility of the Odyssey 7Q+.

And here are the key specs of the updated recorder:

  • 7.7", OLED, 8-bit, touchscreen panel
  • 1280x800 resolution
  • Intuitive touchscreen interface
  • 3400:1 contrast ratio, true blacks
  • HD/2K/UHD/4K recording over HDMI or SDI
  • 2x 3G-SDI inputs, 2x 3G-SDI outputs, 2x bi-directional inputs (switchable between inputs or outputs in menu)
  • Supports Single, Dual, and Quad Link formats
  • HDMI input: up to 1080p60 4:2:2, up to 30 fps in UHD (3840x2160), and up to 24 fps in 4K (4096x2160)
  • HDMI output: up to 1080p30
  • Output downscaling
  • Includes Apple ProRes 422 HQ and Uncompressed DPX recording formats
  • RAW Recording options available for purchase or rental through Convergent Design's website (Sony RAW, Canon RAW, ARRIRAW, POV Raw)
  • 2 channels of embedded audio, 48kHz, 24-bit
  • ARRI, Canon, and Sony LUT Support
  • Image analysis tools (Waveform, Histogram, False Color, etc.)
  • Lightweight magnesium chassis
Convergent Design Odyssey 7Q+

And here are the included recording formats that can be achieved with the Odyssey 7Q+:

Compressed Formats:

  • 4K/UHD 10-bit YCC 4:2:2 up to 30fps in Apple ProRes 422 HQ
  • 2K/1080p 10-bit YCC 4:2:2 up to 60fps in Apple ProRes 422 HQ
  • 1080i 10-bit YCC 4:2:2 up to 60i in Apple ProRes 422 HQ
  • 720p 10-bit YCC 4:2:2 up to 60fps in Apple ProRes 422 HQ

Uncompressed Formats:

  • 2K/1080p RGB 10/12-bit 4:4:4 up to 30fps in DPX file format
  • 1080p RGB 10-bit 4:4:4 up to 60fps in DPX file format

And the formats which can be added by purchasing optional firmware upgrades from Convergent Design:

ARRI ALEXA

  • ARRIRAW (16:9) up to 60fps

Canon C500

  • 4K (4096x2160) RAW up to 60fps
  • UHD (3840x2160) RAW up to 60fps
  • 4K "Half-RAW" up to 120fps

Sony FS RAW

  • 4K RAW up to 60fps
  • 4K RAW 120fps burst
  • 2K RAW up to 240fps
  • "4K24K" 4K RAW to 4K Apple ProRes 422 HQ up to 30fps
  • "4K2HD" 4K RAW to HD Apple ProRes 422 HQ up to 60fps

POV RAW

  • POV 2K 10-bit RAW
  • POV HD 10-bit RAW
  • POV HD 12-bit RAW

Unfortunately, for folks already invested in the Odyssey 7Q, there's no way to upgrade the old device to include the functionality of the Odyssey 7Q+ because the new version was rebuilt from the ground up around the new hardware and firmware needed to accommodate the 4K HDMI image processing pipeline, according to News Shooter's Matt Allard

The Odyssey 7Q+ is retailing for $2300 and is expected to begin shipping before the year ends. This puts it right in the same price range as the Atomos Shogun, which is coincidentally expected to begin shipping around the same time after a short delay.     

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With all this 4k, I'm having second thoughts about my bmpcc...but I feel 1080p still has some longevity. What do you all think?

December 12, 2014 at 1:27AM

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Caleb Price
Director
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Keep it. Have fun with the new m4/3 cine lenses. 4K will not make you a better filmmaker. :)

December 12, 2014 at 1:35AM

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Steven Bailey
Writer/Director/Composer
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1080 isn't going anywhere. 4K is just the fun shiny new toy on the block right now. It'll be years before 4K is the standard.

December 12, 2014 at 2:54AM

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Kaster Troy
Director, DP, Editor
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Well shot 1080p content will always look good.

December 12, 2014 at 3:10PM

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Marc B
Shooter & Editor
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Well thanks team. =) The general public refuses to let DVD's die as well...so I bet if you had an old Varicam that shot SD but had good glass, you could make a movie with that as well. haha.

December 12, 2014 at 3:59PM

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Caleb Price
Director
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in Australia, we're still broadcasting a lot of stuff in SD. 4K won't become any kind of broadcast standard for years. you're gonna get plenty of use out of a HD camera, particularly one that allows you shoot RAW. 4K gives you room to cheat - stabilizing, reframing, etc. Learn to get it right first without those shortcuts and you'll get more out of those options whenever you get around to using them.

December 13, 2014 at 5:06AM

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Ben Howling
Writer / Director
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Work like we do: shoot in 4K, edit in 1080p, release in 540p over an internal internet that's so hobbled that we might as well shoot in SD. Oh, well. Somebody might appreciate the footage sometime.

December 14, 2014 at 1:06AM

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let it be know that the sony a7s does not output real s-log2 via HDMI :/ These companies always find something to cripple.

December 12, 2014 at 1:38AM, Edited December 12, 1:38AM

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cee dee
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More info? Source?

December 12, 2014 at 3:08AM, Edited December 12, 3:08AM

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Gleb Volkov
Director of Photography
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They are going to fix it with the next firmware upgrade... At least I hope so!

December 12, 2014 at 6:55AM

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Giovanni Bocchi
Filmmaking & CGI Student
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Do you have a source for this?

December 12, 2014 at 1:00PM

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No sunshaders ? ( both the 7q+ and the shogun)

December 12, 2014 at 2:44AM

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Roberto Mettifogo
Behind Cameras.
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The 7Q comes with a shade, so presume one's included? Can't speak for Shogun.

December 18, 2014 at 3:49AM

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Nick Haley
Director
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Amazing functionality, but for me - other than in a studio on sticks - it's just too big.
In the video they guy tried to awkwardly downplay how the monitor dwarfs the a7s. I felt he doesn't even quite believe himself. You can SEE it's big, why claim otherwise?
If it was only smaller - would truly be the most useful device around. Wish it was about 5'6 - 6' tops - then I would feel comfortable with it in a reasonably snug rig.

December 12, 2014 at 3:08AM, Edited December 12, 3:08AM

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Gleb Volkov
Director of Photography
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Ooh, this is interesting.
So, looking at a quick comparison, the major differences between the Odyssey 7Q+ and Shogun seem to be:
Both:
- Touch screens
- HDMI input and output
- 3.5 mm audio output (headphone jack)
- 8-bit color recording over HDMI
- 3840x2160 at up to 30 FPS via HDMI
- Apple ProRes HQ recording (in both HD and 4K resolutions)
- Two SSD slots that can be used individually or in conjunction with RAID
- Similar image analysis tools (3D LUTs, peaking, waveform, histogram, false color, etc.)
- USB connectivity

Convergent Desgin Odyssey 7Q+:
- 7.7-inch OLED screen (1280x800)
- 6 x 3G-SDI connections: 2 inputs, 2 outputs, 2 bi-directional
- 3.5 mm audio input
- 4096x2160p at 24 FPS via HDMI
- Uncompressed 4:4:4 DPX recording of HD/2K: up to 30 FPS @ 12-bit, 60 FPS @ 10-bit
- Supports paid rentals/upgrades to record ARRIRAW, Canon RAW, Sony FS RAW, and POV RAW
- Requires proprietary Convergent Design SSDs (appx. $400 for 256GB)
- Buy separate plates for compatibility with batteries: Canon BP-9x series, Gold Mount, Panasonic CGA, V-Lock, and Sony B, L, and U-Series batteries

Atomos Shogun:
- 7.0-inch IPS LCD screen (1920x1200)
- 12G-SDI input and output
- 2 x XLR audio inputs and 2 x outputs via a special included cable
- 1080p at 120 FPS via HDMI
- 10-bit color recording over HDMI
- Other flavors of Apple ProRes (422, LT), and DNxHD recording for HD content
- Cinema DNG Raw recording for UHD content
- Compatible with generic SSDs
- Optional CFast card Adapter
- Compatible with generic NP-570 batteries and similar types (NP-F770/F975, etc. )
- Comes with an HPRC carrying case

December 12, 2014 at 5:34AM, Edited December 12, 5:34AM

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Being able to do 120fps and not having to buy proprietary drives gives the Shogun the edge, to me at least.

December 12, 2014 at 6:18AM, Edited December 12, 6:18AM

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Anthony Vescio
Director/Editor
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Which cameras, exactly, are outputting 10bit 1080 footage at 120fps over HDMI? The FullHD screen is nice, but open standard SSDs are hit n miss. Just ask any BMCC owner.

I think the 7Q is ideally suited to the pro cameras. ($15K+) It's feature set is targeted in that direction. Whereas the Shogun seem better suited to prosumer cameras/environments. (GH4/5D/BMPCC)

December 12, 2014 at 12:45PM

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seanmclennan
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you are correct, i had my wires crossed when it came to 96fps on the GH4.

I just read that it does not output that through HDMI.

December 12, 2014 at 2:43PM

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Anthony Vescio
Director/Editor
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I was hoping for this when I got to use Shogun, but shooting with 7Q + GH4 at 59.94fps to conform to 23.98 (i.e. 2.5x reduction) still gives a dreamy feel, even if it isn't that golden 4x overcrank. And because it's ProRes it's worth considering, for me.

December 18, 2014 at 3:59AM

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Nick Haley
Director
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I really don't get why people should buy this instead of the Shogun which has a better display and do not use proprietary SSDs...

December 12, 2014 at 6:58AM

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Giovanni Bocchi
Filmmaking & CGI Student
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OLED has richer blacks and wider color gamut - O7Q is the better monitor - just because the Shogun is 1080p doesn't mean it's better. 720p is still incredibly highly detailed to do critical focus. And I rather have a richer image and better luminance.

December 20, 2014 at 7:49AM

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Ed David
Director of Photography
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You mean successor, right?

"Convergent Design today announced the predecessor to their popular Odyssey 7Q external recorder, and it's fittingly called the Odyssey 7Q+..."

/English teacher

December 12, 2014 at 7:39AM

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You mean successor, right?

"Convergent Design today announced the predecessor to their popular Odyssey 7Q external recorder, and it's fittingly called the Odyssey 7Q+..."

/English teacher

December 12, 2014 at 7:39AM

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Shogun to me looks like the better option. Their video is not very good looking either. They may want to do some color correction to that footage it looks really bad.

December 12, 2014 at 9:03AM

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Caleb Rasak
Camera Operator / AC
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They have a 100K worth of gear and yet every shot was cringe worthy to look at. It goes to show that it's not all about the gear.

December 12, 2014 at 1:43PM

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Sam Bryce
Cinematographer/Editor at Cassiar
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seems shogun wins, particularly with the proprietary ssd consideration.
btw .. has anyone seen any GH4 / shogun output yet ?

December 12, 2014 at 9:14AM, Edited December 12, 9:14AM

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stephen knifton
owner / creative director
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Robert Hardy,

The biggest question that no one seems to be asking is, "Who requires 4K ProRes licensing?" That's a huge cost from what I understand. As of right now, my understanding is that Convergent Design requires licensing while the Atomos Shogun does not. Can you confirm this?

December 12, 2014 at 9:46AM

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When you mention 4K ProRes licensing, are you talking in terms of the consumer having to purchase the license first before using it on the Odyssey? In that case, the answer is no – the Odyssey comes with 4K ProRes recording out of the box. It's listed both on B&H's website and here in this article.

December 12, 2014 at 12:04PM, Edited December 12, 12:04PM

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No, the Odyssey 7Q does NOT require licensing for 4K Prores output. They require licensing for RAW processing of various cameras manufacturers.

December 12, 2014 at 12:51PM

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seanmclennan
Story Teller
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I'm sorry for the confusion. I didn't word that correctly, but we are essentially talking about the same thing. You can't record in 4K ProRes unless you buy the RAW processing license first. The Odyssey requires that it processes the RAW signal in order to get 4K ProRes. That's fine and all, but why does it cost $800 bucks? The Atomos Shogun claims to record the RAW 4K signal from the FS700 just fine without any additional cost.

December 12, 2014 at 5:36PM

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Yes that's my understanding too...if you want the 7Q to record 4K from the Fs-700 you have to pay for it...whereas it is free with the Shogun. Convergent Design's business model seems to be buy now worry later...i'd rather not have to pay for extras later...going with the Shogun.

December 17, 2014 at 4:39PM

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Please correct me if I'm wrong btw...

December 12, 2014 at 5:43PM

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I'm curious if the Shogun can work with the FS700? Do you have to purchase the firmware with the Shogun like you have to with the 7Q? I'd love to get some 4K on my FS700, and the Shogun seems like a great way to go because you can use any brand of SSD, but the 7Q+ seems like a standard for the FS700.

December 12, 2014 at 2:13PM

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Glen
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From all the literature online it says you do not have to pay for 4K recording via the FS-700 with the Shogun. You definitely have to pay a lot for it with the Convergent Design...

December 17, 2014 at 4:40PM

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Important to know that both the 7Q+ and Shogun use HDMI 1.4b. It is only capable of 8bit in 4K at frame rates of 24 and 30.
The GH4 must have HDMI 2.0 because it's capable of outputting 10bit in 4K at 24fps. If you want 10bit 4K from the GH4 then the YAGH would have to be used with the 7Q+ and SDI inputs. With the Shogun you need to buy a Blackmagic converter for $500 to output quad-link SDI 4K to the 12G SDI input on the Shogun.
To bad both of these recorders used HDMI 1.4b. That dates them for future cameras that will probably move to HDMI 2.0 since 4K is all the rage.

December 12, 2014 at 7:18PM

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Erik Naso
eriknaso.com
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Those shots do not look good. Other than the A7s the colors match fairly well, and the shots are composed well enough. But there seems to be some strange shutter angle / shutter speed artifacts. they all feel very choppy and it's hard to follow the actress' face (the subject of the shot). It's great that the device does all those technical things, but if you want to sell it make it look as good as it can. The problems with these shots apparently have nothing to do with this device and everything to do with the cinematography.

December 12, 2014 at 7:37PM, Edited December 12, 7:37PM

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Michael Markham
Actor/Filmmaker
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Anyone else bought the 7Q recently in order to record 4K and now seriously frustrated?
I feel conned

December 13, 2014 at 5:59AM

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Ianmac
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I agree. I wonder how hard they looked for a solution for the 7Q.

December 13, 2014 at 12:00PM

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Ditto...I spoke to them last month (while they were knee deep in the 7Q+...how else could they have brought it to market so fast) and asked specifically would this work with my A7S...their answer..."we are working on a solution soon..." How terribly misleading especially when i specifically said do not mislead me...I'm not going to buy if it doesn't work with the A7S...I was told not to worry...ethically I couldn't do business with Convergent Design again. Atomos? Seem like a nice bunch of honest Aussies!

December 17, 2014 at 4:42PM

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Why ordinary Toshiba SSDs ( with signed firmware ) sells by Convergent Design with so high profit ?
Where SDI 6G - 12G ( Blackmagic 4k interface ) ?
Where Prores 422 and other low data rate codec ?
??????
Will wait for Atomos shogun , because in real workflow this more cheaper and convenient for me...

December 15, 2014 at 7:16AM, Edited December 15, 7:16AM

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Damir Kudyakov
Hi tech seller
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Don't waste your money...Convergent Design is throwing a desperate hail mary pass to come to market before the Shogun...which ironically starting shipping today. What sucks is that Convergent Design kept selling their 7Qs right up until the last second..all while misleading customers into thinking that there would be a solution for the A7S and other HDMI recorders. Do you know what their solution is going to be??? They're trying to get Black Magic to make some kind of converter!!! How ridiculous is that?! Don't bother with the 7Q+. The Shogun is cheaper, comes with a custom case, break out audio cables and a color calibration hardware tool...AND it has HIGHER resolution, open media and no license fees!! If you buy a convergent design you have to get a case, buy their more expensive media and then pay for licenses...SHOGUN wins hands down.

December 17, 2014 at 4:27PM

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O7Q has a stronger build, a richer color and luminsence, is OLED so its brighter - has more options and can do multicam. Agreed on media prices - wish they were lower - and maybe they will make them lower to compete.

December 20, 2014 at 7:53AM

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Ed David
Director of Photography
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Agree ...
Unlock the Odyssey for with use ordinary SSDs and 4k and You will get new clients

December 21, 2014 at 3:48PM

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Damir Kudyakov
Hi tech seller
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