Howard Barish formed the production company Kandoo Films in 1992, and he gave Ava DuVernay her start, executive producing her first narrative features. He then went on to produce the acclaimed documentary 13th with her as well. This process inspired Barish's right-hand man, Michael Nell to write a feature called Blindfire.

Nell's script tackles the murky intersection of race and police with the story of a hostage situation gone wrong. Barish liked the script so much, he couldn't say no.

Nell and Barish join us to talk about their controversial new film and how they both navigated Hollywood to get to where they are.

Blindfire is out now on VOD.

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This episode of The No Film School Podcast was produced by George Edelman and Jeffrey Reeser.