April 23, 2014

RED Introduces 6K SCARLET DRAGON & New Modules to Increase Usability

Photos Printed from 6K RED DRAGON FootageSince RED is still trying to deliver a few of the products they've had in development for some time -- including the new 6K RED DRAGON sensor upgrades -- there weren't any earth-shattering announcements at NAB 2014. The newest products are about adding functionality to the cameras as they exist today, including the new Switchblade-M side panel and the 4K broadcast module which sends out an uncompressed 4K signal over four 3G-SDI outputs. They did however, have some interesting news for those looking at getting a SCARLET DRAGON, and for those who like to shoot native black and white. Check out our video below with RED for more.

Being able to print still images from motion frames is one of RED's big pushes with the 6K format, and that was part of the reason for their runway show during NAB. RED also didn't announce the functionality just yet, but their wireless handheld controller is going to be able to move the focus gears inside Canon and Nikon lenses, so that you can actually follow focus without having any gears attached to the lens:

SCARLET DRAGON

RED SCARLET DRAGON 6K 12fps Here are the specs on the SCARLET DRAGON, with the new 6K mode really only being useful for pulling still images or special sequences that you want sped up:

  • 6K FF: 12 fps
  • 5K FF: 48
  • 4K FF: 60
  • 3K FF: 75
  • 2K FF: 120
  • 5K 2.4:1: 60
  • 4K 2.4:1: 75
  • 3K 2.4:1: 100
  • 2K 2.4:1: 150
  • Availability: Possibly June
  • Price: $14,500 Body Only, $16,700 with Side SSD and Lens Mount

EPIC-M DRAGON Monochrome

EPIC DRAGON Monochrome has all the same specs as the regular EPIC DRAGON, except for the monochrome sensor and some increased sensitivity over the previous color sensor camera. It starts at $31,500 for the body, and is available in a number of packages in the mid $30Ks.

1.8" 240GB REDMAG SSD

This wasn't covered in the video, but RED also announced a new 1.8" 240GB REDMAG (not to be confused with their Mini-MAGS), which will be faster than their previous 256GB version and also cheaper at $1,450.

RED 240GB REDMAG SSD

REDRAY & ODEMAX

After shooting this video, RED also announced that their REDRAY 4K player is actually shipping. While many did ship out almost a year ago, RED quietly stopped production while they waited for their distribution partner ODEMAX to sort out their launch and roll-out, but it hasn't exactly gone according to plan. Because of that, RED is moving forward with the REDRAY player, and it is shipping now at $1,250, with the same specs as before. Nothing was mentioned about their projector at the show, so it may be abandoned at this point.

RED ARMORY Configurator

Something many have been asking for is an easy way to configure a camera. Trying to figure out what you need to get a package going and how much it's going to cost with RED cameras was never a simple task, but the company is working on a new system to let you see what options and modules are out there, and what it's going to cost you.

RED ARMORY Configurator

You can read about the other announcements over on our previous post or at the links below. Links:

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I used to wear baseball cap inside the house and cool t-shirt with big skull and stars too.
When I was thirteen.
Then I grew up.

April 23, 2014 at 5:22PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Juhan-i

I bet you're a riot at cocktail parties

April 23, 2014 at 5:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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I do not use any drugs, including the most common one; alcohol. Have enough health problems already without them.

April 23, 2014 at 5:29PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Juhan-i

As stated above. A real riot.

April 24, 2014 at 1:27AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Brick

If you're making fun of the stereotypical RED employee fashion from 2008, just know that without that company and the red one, you would NOT have a career right now because gear would be priced way way out of your reach.

April 23, 2014 at 5:43PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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john jeffries

He'd still have a career, but as a PA or shooting really cute movies on a used, over priced DVX-100

April 23, 2014 at 6:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Jorge Cayon

2008 ?

Look, I have a time machine ! :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyewMeIqswo

April 23, 2014 at 7:30PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Juhan-i

BS. There is no proof Red are responsible for cheaper cameras. Prices were on a downward curve long before Red aver made a camera.

April 23, 2014 at 7:34PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Before 2007 most digital cine cameras were around 100k and film cameras were even more, and thus were only rentable. Most owner-ops used shitty camcorders with giant bulky 35mm DOF adapters, and the images were never great. Then RED came along and for 17.5k you could have a real cine cam that blew the overpriced status quo out of the water. Every since then, every single new cinema camera took from that original design,

April 23, 2014 at 8:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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john jeffries

Digital cameras used for cinema prior to RED One

Sony HDW-F900R CineAlta STILL costs 80,000 today. They used to run for many times that.
Thomas viper was running around $170,000 in 2006.
Panasonic Genesis rental only.

April 23, 2014 at 8:45PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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carlos

Those were early pioneering days around the time on Genesis etc and the prices were always going to come down. Not solely because of Red. We know this because the HD market was already getting cheaper and cheaper before Red. Thats just the way it is with tech.

April 23, 2014 at 10:13PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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yeah you're right, I guess RED developing a 4K raw recording cinema camera for a tenth of the price of the competition doesn't constitute as pioneering.

April 24, 2014 at 3:07AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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carlos

I didnt say they werent pioneering but they werent a tenth the price. More like a quarter. Just saying they were getting cheaper and were always going to get cheaper with or without Red on the scene.

April 24, 2014 at 8:14PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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If RED had not brought the RED one to the table there would have been no reason for other companies to come down in price. Since you are so sure of yourself who else was there? Who? It's a very simple no excuse question.

What single digital cinema camera were you capable of purchasing before the RED one? Another simple question.

April 23, 2014 at 10:56PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tony

I didnt say it wasnt the cheapest at the time but it didnt need to be for prices to come down over time. There were a lot of competitors from the Arriflex d20 to SI-2K to Genesis and more, I cant remember what year the F23 was. I would argue that DSLRs had a greater effect on pricing than Red. At the same time you can argue the the truly highend if the market F65, F35, Alexa maintained their high pricing all along. Tech gets cheaper and no one company causes prices to come down. Look at the computer prices, phone, TVs.

April 24, 2014 at 8:50PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Simon and were you able to afford an Arri D20/D21 or a Genesis at the time? I believe those cameras were above $100K. Then RED comes along at $17.5K. I'd say that was a big stomp in the market at that time, placing a true cinema camera within reach of many. No other Cinema camera was even in the same league within the RED One's pricing at that time. I think RED was more responsible for the decline in prices than you care to admit. Of course tech comes down, but sometimes it takes companies like RED to actually make it happen. DSLR's are not in the same market segment, I seriously doubt that has affected the pricing in the high end cinema market. That may change with time, but I still stand firmly when I say RED revolutionized the market.

April 24, 2014 at 9:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tony

I'm not disagreeing with you about Red being the most affordable at the time. I just dont think Red are the reason those cameras came down in price. Not even sure they came down very much in price at all. Another view might be that a few years later certain types of camera went up in price like users of the Sony EX1 became users of the Sony F3 (a camera almost double the price).

April 25, 2014 at 12:37AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Let me rephrase for him then: I'll bet you're the kind of person people enjoy being around because you make blanket statements about a person's maturity level/character based solely on the clothes that they are comfortable with. I say this as someone who also enjoys a good baseball cap (preferably backwards) and tee-shirts with pop culture references (not really into skulls).

April 23, 2014 at 6:48PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Coty

Yes, you are correct. I have to apologize.

Considering how professionally and respectfully all the personnel from the Red camera company have treated both customers and competition throughout the years, my comment was very childish.

April 23, 2014 at 7:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Juhan-i

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but if it is, I'd like to say that I have always been treated professionally by everyone over at RED. Seems like someone over at there didn't return Juhan's call or something and it reminded him of all the girls that he asked to prom.

April 23, 2014 at 8:30PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Ian

Still not shipping, 2 years after announcement and 1 year after accepting orders and building them live at NAB. Incredible.

April 23, 2014 at 6:06PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Phil McTaggins

They never build them at last years NAB it was just a marketing lie.

April 23, 2014 at 7:36PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Do you really need 6k to take quality stills from motion frames?

April 23, 2014 at 6:29PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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moebius22

Uhh, yes!

April 23, 2014 at 6:31PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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criles

No 4K would be fine but 6K would be better although Red's 6K is yet to be independently checked to see what resolution it actually is. The sensor might have 6K of photosites but how sharp are they needs testing.

April 23, 2014 at 8:02PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Simon sorry but you don't know what your talking about, pump the brakes

April 23, 2014 at 10:12PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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ryan

Actually I do know what I'm talking about. 6K Red stills are not the same detail as 6K stills from a DSLR. Even the Red One when tested was only 2.6K. Red for the resolution they claim is quite soft.

April 24, 2014 at 2:59AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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And when I say 4K would be fine I mean 4K from a camera that resolves 4k as well as can be expected. I'm sure the 6K can resolve a decent 4K image tho.

April 24, 2014 at 3:01AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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ehhhhh wrong try again.

April 24, 2014 at 11:30AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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ryan

You want to back that up with something??... "eerr wrong try again" what are you 5 years old? You realise maybe 90% of all DSLRs out there capture stills with whats basically very little more than a 4K sensor.

April 24, 2014 at 9:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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though you deserve to know your wrong, the hubris prevents the explanation.

April 24, 2014 at 9:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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ryan

We are waiting for your explanation why. Not your hubris version of "I know you are but what am I?" Big baby.

April 24, 2014 at 9:34PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Acutally, RED`s new sensor has been rated by DXO Mark, the highest score for a digital sensor ever tested by then.:

http://www.dxomark.com/content/search/?SearchText=EPIC&x=0&y=0

April 28, 2014 at 4:37PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Rodrigo Prata

You'll get your explanation when there is a "we" instead of you

April 24, 2014 at 9:45PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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ryan

Wow you really are a big baby.

April 24, 2014 at 10:01PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Pixels can never be sharper or less sharo, that is true. But before light hits the actual pixels of the sensor, it goes through various filters on the sensor. Look at individual pixels of a 5D3 and of a D800, the filters are much much worse on the 5D and thus a 5D3 image may only look like a 19mp image (if that 19mp sensor would have theoretically perfect filters).
I cannot comment on the RED's as you would actually have to check that with a complicated setup and use perfect lenses (near perfect ones cost hundredthousands btw).
On the RED one it was indeed a bit noticable when just comparing between another camera with the same resolusion, but so far everyone says the Dragon looks actually sharper than any Dslr with +- the same mp-count.

April 25, 2014 at 5:33PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Henri De Vreese

Ignore Juhan, he trolls absolutely every NFS that has to do with RED.

The Scarlet Dragon is a huge deal, for less than $20K you get a camera with colors and DR at least matching Alexa at a fraction of the price, with way more resolution, compressed raw in a light package with swapable lens mounts among other things. Exciting times.

April 23, 2014 at 7:09PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Carlos

well.. we still don't know if the latest version (with the new olpf) really reaches Alexa levels. I have my doubts.. but it's still incredible that a 2009/2010 Arri chip seems to be still slightly better (in DR) than a 2013/2014 Towerjazz Red Dragon (Monstro) chip.
This means Arri has no reason to come down in prices with Alexa or to be too bothered by the competition at all as the only difference is the resolution which is still not that much of a problem. And it's rumored that they have a 65mm equivalent up their sleeves.. I bet it will be a bomb with even higher specs.

April 25, 2014 at 12:58PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Peter

I'd be happy if I were Red and even happier shooting with one.

April 23, 2014 at 7:14PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Anthony Marino

many many silent hypocrites out there in the nofilmschool universe. I don't know how many commenters have said all that matters is dynamic range and color. 16 stops at a doable pricetag with new and improved color science. DragonColor even makes my Epic MX look better. There are definitely some who should be vocally excited.

April 23, 2014 at 7:21PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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ryan

Scarlet Dragon with the motion mount and some basic accessories runs close to $30K $2,450 for a 512 GB SSD is absurd. Nebtek is selling the Odyssey 512 GB drives for under $800 and other companies (Atomos, BMD and even Sony) are using off-the-shelf hardware. I suspect the margins on the cameras themselves are extremely thin and the company is trying to cover their overhead and R&D by running a closed ecosystem but this also prices them above the market. Add in the difficulty with the delivery schedule and well known reliability problems and this is a rental at best.
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BTW, Odemax seems to be streaming but its title selection is sparse to non-existent, which also puts Red in a bad light.

April 23, 2014 at 7:44PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

The price of the SSDs are definitely high, but they are coming down.

a 128 GB SSD traditionally cost 1250, now the new 240 GB SSD costs 1450, almost twice the storage for a similar price.

You don't need to spend 30K to get this camera solid for production, and you most definitely dont need a motion mount.

Odemax's apparent failure, although a let down, has nothing to do with RED, dont see how it puts them in a bad light.

Another great advantage scarlet owners have is being able to rent an epic dragon body when high FPS is needed for much cheaper than a full kit would run and use all their accessories.

April 23, 2014 at 7:58PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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carlos

The Skimlinks - a recent feature of this site - have off-the-shelf 512 GB SSD's for under $400 at B&H. Convergent Design is $795, so that's a super fat additional margin (you figure the wholesale cost is around $275-$300, depending on the quantity bought). Charging $2,500 for it is a highway robbery, which is what allows Red to stay in business but they only stay in business by robbing the very same folks who have already bought into their ecosystem. Personally, I'd be aghast.
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PS. Years ago, I worked for an aerospace company, who was a major supplier for Pentagon and a subcontractor for the well known conglomerates and I am fully aware of the $30 resistors that cost a quarter to manufacture.

April 23, 2014 at 8:19PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

@DLD what really matters is the memory chip....THESE ARE THE PRICES OF DIFFERENT MEMORY CHIPS ON NEWEGG.COM.....
#:SLC : 34GB-544USD
#:TLC : 1TB-469USD
#:MLC:480GB-449USD
.....KINEMAX will be using SLC memory chip on the KINEMAG...
TLC & MLC are consumer chips and thus can not be fully depended not to drop frames since the weren't made to be used at that professional level...

April 24, 2014 at 1:39AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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mathenge

Yes, I understand that there's some difference in quality but, when you go to the open source/off-the-shelf, you're under market pricing - and market pricing for computers and electronics at that, which tend to have high early premiums and the a precipitous slide - whereas if you're running a closed ecosystem, you have a power of monopoly and Red, IMO, really abuses this. In the past, of course, Sony lost plenty of markets because it tried to go solo. However, expensive some of their media is, anything off-the-shelf will have quicker rice drops. Having said that, it is Red product and they have a right to price it as they want. For a $50,000 professional camera, the media, accessories and workflow products were actually fairly reasonably priced. For the new sub-$15,000 range of AJA Cion, URSA, KineMax, they're far too high.
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As to Red's role in improving the digital bang for the buck - they were one of the major early players but the computer and the photo imaging industry have always moved forward. Arri had their D20 in 2005, then D21 in 2008, then Alexa in 2010. Sony had their 9000 line, Dalsa was the first to announce (2003) and release a 4K cam (2006). Red wasn't even founded until 2005. The consumer hybrid camera market opened with Nkon D90 in the summer of 2008. It may have been only 720p but it was a harbinger of things to come. Six years later, you have a 4K GH4 for $1,700 and the connection between Red One and GH4 is rather tenuous.

April 24, 2014 at 7:25AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

I agree the high prices suck but RED arent the only ones doing this.

Sony F5: Sony 128GB SxS PRO+ Memory Card $1,374.99
RED Epic/scarlet: RED 240 GB 1.8 SSD &1,450.00

Twice the memory for pretty much the same price.

RED probably spent a FORTUNE on R&D and that money needs to be made back some how. I think its short sighted to claim RED manages to stay in business because of inflated SSD prices. Every company in the world sells products for way more than said products cost to manufacture. Such is the nature of the beast. Some may call that robbing, others standard business practice.

April 23, 2014 at 8:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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carlos

Scarlet Dragon sounds fantastic, but I think I'm trading up to Epic-X from Scarlet-X instead. Far superior over-cranking and 5K is brilliant as is. 2000 native ASA is nice and all, but I haven't needed to push past 800 besides rare occasions, whereas over-cranking comes up far more often, 5K @ 120fps is no small matter.

April 23, 2014 at 9:22PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Agent55

HDRx on the Epic-X is a very underrated feature as well. Nullifies any dynamic range benefits the Dragon has.

April 24, 2014 at 1:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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agreed HDRx is a great and over looked feature, and can definitely save your ass. That said it isn't ideal in many situations, can cause strange artifacts, fills up your cards twice as fast which means more storage costs, requires extra post processing etc. Hardly nullifies the DR of dragon which you have the extra DR for absolutely every shot without the headache of HDRx.

As to Epic X or Scarlet Dragon I think its a very tough call, but the image out of the scarlet dragon will blow the epic out of the water. The epic produces beautiful imagery as is, but the extra meat in the digital negative the scarlet yields set it apart I feel. The colors on the dragon are really something else. But it depends on the work people do, I tend to stay away from over crank unless its justified, 24 fps at 5K with all the benefits of the newer sensor tech wins over higher FPS in my case, so I'd go with the scarlet dragon upgrade. The good news is there are options

April 24, 2014 at 3:20AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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carlos

Though I've rarely used HDRx, it has come in handy here and there, particularly for covering architectural interiors where it was important not to blow out the windows. Worked great in my case on Scarlet-X, even with slow dolly moves.

I'm also not a huge fan of over ranking for no good reason in my own work, but in the commercial world it's obviously very common and in demand regardless of my preferences.

One other reason for choosing to go Epic-X is rental potential, the Epic simply rents while the Scarlet-anything rarely does. A consideration that can't be denied :)

April 24, 2014 at 7:35AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Agent55

Scarlet Dragon might get rental preference because it has dragon in its name, or the epic might continue to rent better because it has the name epic in its name, we'll see.

I love shooting on the Epic, and can't wait to get my hands on dragon. HDRx has indeed been a life saver on a couple of occasions.

April 24, 2014 at 3:12PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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carlos

I have never had a problem with motion artifacts using HDRx, which is why I think it' such a useful feature. The only problem (like you said) is increased data. It does fill up the cards quickly.

You can leave it untouched in post though. Choose to just use the A track and it's essentially just a normal shot. The extra info isn't even being used. Simply choosing "magic motion" in the RedcineX plug in takes all of two seconds and it works like a charm!

As far as colors go, it's 16 bit raw, applying DragonColor and DragonGamma to your footage and spending some time on it in post to get the colors looking right is all it takes. No doubt the Scarlet Dragon has the ability to get a lot of these things right out of the box (plus HDRx on the Dragon???). My point is that the Epic-X is still a beast.

April 24, 2014 at 11:52AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Agreed!

April 24, 2014 at 3:09PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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carlos

Seriously, who in their right mind would spend all that money on a RED camera to shoot STILLS? This is the worst marketing idea I have ever seen.

April 23, 2014 at 10:50PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Richard

The Dragon sensor right now has arguably the best image quality in comparison to the competition. For the price this is the most amazing deal in the market. You can think of the 6K stills as a just a bonus. Look at what else it does. Shooting 12 FPS with one of the best image sensors I'd say might come in very handy for lots of photographers who don't want to miss a good moment.

April 23, 2014 at 11:10PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tony

A Canon 5d Mark III is plenty good for STILLS and a hell of a lot cheaper. RED have clearly missed the mark with their marketing. Photographers could care less and will constitute less than one percent of their sales.

April 24, 2014 at 10:53AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Richard

If RED was smart they would go after the broadcast market which is absolutely far bigger than cinema.

April 24, 2014 at 10:54AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Richard

It's very apparent that you are not in the market segment they are after. Once again there are lots of photographers who seem to like the stills from motion workflow http://www.red.com/shot-on-red/photography. They are not trying to replace DSLRs. When you make a billion dollars with a company you started from your garage then revolutionize the entry to digital cinema which competes hand in hand with titans like Sony, Canon, and Panasonic, you go ahead and let RED know what "Smart is".

April 24, 2014 at 7:08PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tony

@Tony. LMAO. Are you a photographer? RED's marketshare in photography is non-existant. Furthermore, 99% of photographers don't earn enough to justify spending $40,000 to buy a RED camera. Photographers are incredibly loyal to the established brands such as Canon, Nikon, and for the higher-end Hasselblad.

I could get the same quality image with a 5d Mark III and proper lighting and save myself $40,000.

Your welcome.

April 24, 2014 at 10:17PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Richard

@ Richard you haven't said anything new. DSLR's are not going to be replaced. This is a different market RED is aimed towards. You obviously can't afford one, stop hating.

April 24, 2014 at 10:48PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tony

Research. Then comment.

April 24, 2014 at 1:29AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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It should be mandatory for press conferences to extract stills from hires video because I F#$@ing cant stand those shutters ruining good audio. At lease they will be all mirrorless soon enough. I'm saying this as a long term Nikon SLR then DSLR fan but keep the shutters away from audio recorded events.

April 24, 2014 at 3:07AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Like the mirrorless A7r which makes a HUGE shutter sound?

April 25, 2014 at 5:32AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Mikko Löppönen

I assume that shutter sound can be switched off since its just a speaker sound.

April 25, 2014 at 11:19PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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People pay $45,000.00 for a Hasselblad that does stills only. They're pretty outstanding too.

April 24, 2014 at 9:22AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Gene

ya, i guess some people don't like Red and they want to make that clear. ;-)

April 24, 2014 at 12:39AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Gene

I agree, strange that people here do not like RED.
We use Alexa, but we tried Dragon, you say! well the image is better than Alexa.
We are happy to see that RED is a lot of progress, even if now we have invested in ARRI.
If I had to make a choice today, and of course if the camera were available today, I would choose Dragon.

April 24, 2014 at 5:24AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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didi

If I had the financial means I would choose the Red Dragon too. I've seen and read enough to know it is the best available camera. The others are fantastic too. I am still waiting to see what the ARRI 4K will do. It could be out this year. It may impress more than everything. But, I'll wait and see.

April 24, 2014 at 9:47AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Gene

If you're going into 4K world, then Red with the new sensor is the way (I don't need to remind how much future Alexa 4K and 70mm Alexa 8K will cost you). And for cleaner low light or still work... try ADD feature. What the hell, it's hard on processing times but man the rendered images worth it.

April 24, 2014 at 11:39AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Natt

Affording a Red is out of my league. Sony A7s, GH4K, now were talkin.

April 24, 2014 at 11:20PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Gene

It took RED 3 years to finally catch up with the F65. I have yet to see anything from the Dragon that's far beyond the current offerings.

https://vimeo.com/42177809.

April 24, 2014 at 10:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Richard

The same guys who are saying RED is way overpriced then want to go and say but the image isn't as good as camera 5 times the price. Make up your minds.

April 25, 2014 at 11:04AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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ryan

It is not just that they don't like RED cameras. There are cameras out there that I don't like to use. What is interesting to me is the amount of vitriol they feel compelled to spew at RED. It feels abnormally personal.

April 24, 2014 at 12:52PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Ian

I've had this conversation with plenty of crew who actually use all cameras. Not just specific to anyone. Most will tell you that for 1080p Alexa is the best, with ease of use and image quality. For RAW 4K and now 6K, most if not all will tell you that RED is the best producer of images. Sure the cameras might come with their quirks and on set nuances, but at the end of the day, price and image is what counts. RED revolutionized the camera world when it came to cinema, and still believe that they do. Considering all the competition at all price points even. The hate stems from people who've never used it, or maybe once, and aren't apart of the show. Think of the Canon guys who swore up and down that it was the best, yet when test and countless articles and reviews point to the GH2 hacked or not produced a better looking image. People that never used or shot something with a GH2 were bashing on it because all the hype was surrounding the Canons, as inferior as they are. It simply boils down to hate driven by jealousy.

April 24, 2014 at 3:24PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Jorge Cayon

A very experienced and reputable photographer I am acquainted with (I will leave his name out as I don't want negative commenters to have his name for lunch) thinks that some Canon users spent a lot of money on 5D's to use for video and saw later that the much less expensive GH had a better video image--so they are angry and show it in comments on the internet. He could be right.

April 24, 2014 at 11:25PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Gene

For what we know, the projector is back to the development hell. Frikken lasers.

April 24, 2014 at 11:22AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Natt

Can't wait to rent these

April 24, 2014 at 3:15PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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