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March 23, 2010

Want to write for The Daily Show? Here's what you need to know

One of the panels at IFP's phenomenal Script to Screen Conference this weekend was A Conversation With Steve Bodow (Head Writer, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart). Moderated by Jason Guerrasio (Managing Editor, Filmmaker Magazine), the conversation was a refreshingly frank behind-the-scenes look at the show's creative process. It also included a lot of valuable information for anyone with dreams of one day writing for the Comedy Central show, which features some of the most hilarious and excoriating social commentary on TV.

Note that these quotes are culled from my real-time notes, so this is more paraphrastic than word-for-word.

On the show's configuration

There are 10-12 writers, and 8 or so producers in charge of finding the clips you see on the show. Every day starts with a meeting between the two groups.

The show has an insane schedule -- it's very iterative, as we go through 4-5 drafts of each script; segments are sometimes put together in as little time as 24 hours; longer pieces can take upwards of a week. But in a pressure situation, in the writing room during rewrites, a writer can spit out 5 or 6 funny jokes in 5-10 minutes. It's what the hive mind can do.

A typical day is 10 hours, about 9am-7pm. It can get longer but that's typical. I think we get as much done in those 10 hours as other places might in 12 or 14. The structural, internal dynamic stuff is really efficient; it comes from Jon on down that people have families and want to have lives. That makes the day intense, but I do get home to see my kids and that isn't always the case in this kind of job.

Writers most often work in teams of two and sometimes work alone; some writers have a temperament where they want to work alone. There's also full-room writing so there are basically three modes, and everyone has to be able to do all three.

We actually write the show in this AP news writer software and it's terrible and arcane but it's what we use. We pick the jokes and write the scripts and assemble them in a rough order. We have multicolored index cards for the general shape of the show, the scripts come in, and then we kind of shape it by hand.

We help shape the field pieces and sometimes come up with ideas, but there is a separate staff devoted to the field pieces (where correspondents head to locations to interview subjects); they're basically making short films. These producers might've gone to film school or were previously staff at other news magazine shows -- field pieces usually take about a month to do. That involves booking talent, traveling, shooting hours of footage, editing it all down to 4 minutes -- the regular writers like us are not hugely involved.

On how he got hired and became head writer

Eight years ago, I knew a guy who knew a guy at the show and I called him; he said I should call when an opening happened, but it was rare: "no one leaves these gigs." However, three weeks later someone left, and I put a packet together. They don't care what you've done before so much as they care about, "can you write for this show?"

How did you get into the head writer gig? I killed two people. No, people do leave; the previous head writer left to be a film producer, and I was promoted because... I'm tall?

On hiring new writers

When we need new writers we do put out feelers to agents, but it turns out the personal network of writers who know other writers etc. is much more helpful. This last round we needed three writers; we got 150 submissions, and ended up choosing the three writers from very different backgrounds -- one was from the print world, one was a theater parody writer, and the third person was the show's own writer's assistant. We read the submissions blind and pick the best material; your resume up to that point doesn't matter.

What exactly do aspiring Daily Show writers submit? It's a packet of material you write specifically for the show, about ten minutes of material. You write the different segments we do, like "chats," where Jon talks to a correspondent, for example. Can you write the voice of the show? Can you write funny jokes? Can you write them densely? Can you integrate the different kinds of media -- tape, visuals, soundbites, etc. -- into writing, and not just write funny monologues for Jon? The formatting doesn't matter; Word is adequate to the task. As long as it's clear what's going on.

Do people blindly submit or do you ask? You have to come recommended from some place when we're looking (which we're not right now). You have to know someone or have a connection. ((The takeaway is thus: your resume doesn't have to be long, and you don't need to have written comedy news material before. But you do need to be a writer, and you need to have connections. Rome wasn't built in a day, so if you're reading this because your dream is to write for The Daily Show... start making connections!))

Other behind-the-scenes

Since the show has become more popular over the past several years, is there more of a feeling of responsibility that "this is where young people get their news," and you have to report everything? No, that would kill the show. It's a comedy show and we need to make ourselves laugh. We can't take on the responsibility of "first we must educate!"

When the show takes breaks, does it get you that there's good material happening while you're away? Absolutely, it's a kind of therapy to be in a place where you can work out your problems with what's going on in the world. It's a creative release. Last summer we went on long break for the summer and Sarah Palin resigned and gave a crazy, incoherent speech, and we were like, it's too bad we have to go on vacation! Life is so hard.

How has the show changed from the Bush administration to Obama? That's a work in progress. The figure in the White House is now less of a subject for us, although there's plenty of whack stuff they've done. But now the emphasis is less on what they're doing and more on how it's being covered in the media, especially by Fox News. We have to hold ourselves back as we could do Fox-News-Fox-News-Fox-News every day -- not because it's our personal vendetta but because they've really turned up their volume. Instead of going out with something about them every day, we have to think about, what can we say about the larger things Fox New is up to? Instead of just a day-to-day thing.

What is your relationship with the White House? We've had a lot of cabinet members on the show -- eight or nine, I think. Judging from that it seems they're eager to have their people on the show, which is different from the previous administration. But I don't think we're going easy on them or anything.

On Jon

Jon isn't in all the meetings, but he's in all the important ones. This is really his show, he has the most ideas, he calls the shots, and he's the final re-writer: it's his to a complete degree. People pitch to him -- they also pitch to me, and others act as filters, but everything goes through Jon.

He does quite a bit of reading to prep for the interviews. The writers help come up with the questions, and there is some "gaming out" of where the conversation might go, but it's not rehearsed or anything.

When you're coming onto the show to be interviewed by Jon, don't try to be funny. It's just a contest you'll lose!

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Had a thought on the flip flop Susan B Komen organization, so I modified the cancer ribbon. I added tennis shoes, lips and eyelashes, then put "Susan Be" around the top curve, "Komen" on the front leg, and "goin'" on the back leg because they can't decide. Can send the artwork if requested.

February 4, 2012

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Ken Fifield

On states that want to secede from the union - show how they would form a new country maybe called "Teapartia" and what the negative effects for them would be (no federal aid, defense, etc.)

November 15, 2012

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Scott Deaver

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"The love of Wayne La Pierre's life"

Call me crazy
i don't mean maybe

Before you came
into my li-ife
I missed you
so ba-ad

a bunch of hand guns
was all
I ha-ad

baby glock, you are so swe-et
but you don't make my heart be-at

but hey 223
you're my master
you make my heart beat much faster

no background check,
oh what the heck

here's your clip
now make me flip

i love you baby
i don't mean maybe

January 16, 2013

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It sounded like you were going to mention it, but I didn't hear you actually mention that the Missouri State Legislature, I'm using the term loosely, populated or infested depending on your point of view, by mainly those of the Republican persuasion, turn down over 900 million, which I've heard is like, almost a billion dollars, that was federal aid which would have gone straight into Medicaid, to alleviate some of the problems we have in this state having to do with Medicaid, especially problems that were illustrated by the story featuring the poor woman that lived in the trailer. It is an ongoing fiasco that has changed people's lives who live in our state, but not in a good way. Luckily though, one of the other few things that the governor has not vetoedbecause he never had the chance to do so, was the placement of a rush limbaugh: bus in the Missouri house I'll screw it your email system sucks

October 11, 2013

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Chris Ottinger

It is a sad commentary on the state of the culture that, "this is where young people get their news". The Daily Show skews left, but like NPR presents it's take on life as representative of the only reasonable people in the room. Making fun of those you disagree with isn't useful, and the old saying, "if you can't say something nice about someone, say nothing at all" has been replaced by, "look for anything that can be used to humiliate your opponent and make that the focus of the conversation". Trying to be funny and trying to get at the truth are not the same thing. Most comedy hinges on some element of truth, but comedians ultimately play to the audience while those who sincerely desire to get at the truth are often ignored, resented and made fun of for that very reason. Jon is smart, gifted, funny, and popular, and while Fox News might provide much to parody as their "hosts" play to their own crowds, I would argue The Daily Show is not a fair, accurate or responsible source for forming ones world-view, so I lament that so many young people do.

October 18, 2013

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May 12, 2014

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Ran across my 14 year old son's 5/19/2014 Sports Illustrated magazine. On page 2 directly across from the table of contents was a full page Camel cigarette ad. "Surgeon General's Warning: Cigarette Smoke Contains Carbon Monoxide." Wow. Didn't realize all those people were dying from Carbon Monoxide exposure. Would love to see a The Daily Show segment on this with interview question to the Surgeon General, Tobacco Companies an Sports Illustrated. I'm sure you'd get to the bottom of it!

May 20, 2014

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terry

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May 29, 2014

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