Description image

Adobe Ends Creative Suite, New Software Versions Will Only Be Available Through Creative Cloud

05.6.13 @ 7:05PM Tags : , , , ,

Adobe Creative Cloud DiscountAbout a year ago, Adobe announced that they were going to be offering subscriptions for their software through what they were calling Creative Cloud. Besides being a monthly subscription instead of a one-time fee, Creative Cloud also offers other advantages like being able to view and share work from any device through specific applications. Back in March, Adobe killed off boxed versions of the Creative Suite, suggesting that they were going to move away from CS altogether, and starting in June, they’re doing just that: future versions of Creative Suite will only be available through Creative Cloud. Click through for more from Adobe on the announcement.

This is what Adobe said on their site:


In order to accelerate the rate at which we deliver new features and services, and to ensure that we do so with the highest level of quality, we are focusing all of our efforts on Creative Cloud.

Given this, the CC applications will be available only as part of Creative Cloud. We will continue to sell and support Adobe Creative Suite® 6 applications, and will provide bug fixes and security updates as necessary. We do not, however, have any current plans to release new versions of our CS applications.

You will continue to install and use the creative applications on your desktop just as you always have, but the apps will increasingly be part of a larger creative process centered on Creative Cloud.

Premiere, Photoshop, InDesign, Dreamweaver, and Illustrator will all be branded as CC applications going forward, and the only way you’re going to be able to purchase them is through the Creative Cloud. The big difference between owning the software and purchasing through Creative Cloud is that if you decide to stop paying the subscription for a period of time, you no longer have access to the software.

Adobe also announced that they are going to integrate Behance into their applications more heavily:

With this update, creative files can be stored, synced and shared, via Creative Cloud, on Mac OS, Windows, iOS and Android; and Behance, the world’s leading online creative community, is integrated with Creative Cloud, so customers can showcase work, get feedback on projects and gain global exposure.

Adobe is currently doing 30 day free trials, but their plans range from $20-$50 depending on the option you choose and the length of the contract. Adobe still plans to support CS6 and allow you to purchase that version, but it will be all Creative Cloud from now on for new versions.

[Update]: Since many are asking about it, I’m adding this from their FAQ on Creative Cloud:

Do I need ongoing Internet access to use my Creative Cloud desktop applications?

No. Your Creative Cloud desktop applications (such as Photoshop and Illustrator) are installed directly on your computer, so you won’t need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis.

You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you’ll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days. However, you’ll be able to use products for 180 days even if you’re offline.

Links:

[via Digital Photography Review]

Disclosure: Adobe is a nofilmschool advertiser.

COMMENT POLICY

We’re all here for the same reason: to better ourselves as writers, directors, cinematographers, producers, photographers... whatever our creative pursuit. Criticism is valuable as long as it is constructive, but personal attacks are grounds for deletion; you don't have to agree with us to learn something. We’re all here to help each other, so thank you for adding to the conversation!

Description image 198 COMMENTS

  • Can’t blame them, this will help end piracy. On the other hand it may destroy part of their market (those who prefer physical versions). I’m a proud user of creative cloud so I’m cool with this.

    • Not to forget ending piracy will destroy the market of those who can’t afford their software. People aren’t born as professionals and their student versions aren’t cheap enough for everyone to start with. Apart from that their software is not really worth the money unless they iron out a bunch of major bugs and minor annoyances.

      • “destroy the market of those who can’t afford their software.” <- It's not a market if people aren't buying it…

        I think it's a smart move. It's not like they're the only people who make editing software and they have a right to get paid for making software which is so widely used in the industry.

        • Well it is not a market, but these users are the ones who will eventually become the buyers, and whatever system they have come to prefer is the one they will use and (when they eventually end up in decision making positions) prefer. Avid is going to go the way of the dodo because few students or independents are able to use it. making piracy impossible (while offering to free/cheap version) is probably the best way to wringe out maximum bucks short term, but also the best way to ensure long term decline.
          The future belongs to companies like Blackmagic’s who understands (with for example DaVinci’s pricing model) the need to not only charge big studios for what they can afford, but also making sure to expand their market.

          • That being said however, I think the Adobe solution may work, if students and independents can go on and off the subscription as their needs change. People who do not use the software constantly (like students) would certainy benefit from such an as-needed approach, instead of being face dwith the equally ridiculous options of using pirated software or pay the same price as a 6 digit earning full time power user.

      • You will always find old versions of CSs on web, and thats enough for learning. And if you really need that ultra roto brush and mega warp stabilizer, you probably can afford it. Not a big deal at all.

      • ” destroy the market of those who can’t afford their software”

        That market is called thieves. Don’t kid yourself. It’s stealing plain and simple.

        • But what other options do high school kids have? When I was thirteen, my parents never would have financed me a 240$ yearly subscription, just for me to “play around” with professional software. But with not a lot of alternatives out there (especially for AE) I don’t know if I ever would have gotten into the vfx industry without having used the Adobe CS for so many years. Either, the open source community has to react and fill the hole, or Adobe might run out of customers on the long run. I absolutely believe that almost every now-customer of Adobe at some point in their lives have tried there software long before buying – and for longer than 30 days.

        • For something to *ever* be stolen there would have to be a loss by someone. Welcome to the digital age, where everything isn’t black and white anymore! :)

      • For businesses this will be great as everything will always be up to date. For the rest if us it might kind if suck. I compare it to leasing a car vs buying a car. When you buy a car, the payments eventually stop, with a lease you just upgrade to a new car but keep paying.

        I’d like to not add another monthly bill that I have to keep track of. Seems like they are doing to physical media what apple did to fcp7, but will people be just as upset about it for the next two years?

    • This isn’t about piracy. This is about Adobe getting paid every month.

    • Clayton Arnall on 05.7.13 @ 12:11AM

      How would this end piracy? It’s still a program installed on your computer, which is installed via an installer, which means it can be hijacked and pirated. If it needs to phone home every so often to validate, things like that can be bypassed via adding loopback IPs in the hosts file…. unless I’m missing something here?

    • This won’t end piracy. Pirates always win.

  • and if you don’t have an internet connection?

    • Robert Thorpe on 05.6.13 @ 7:37PM

      Seriously? What if you don’t have an internet connection? The only way that this could apply is if you are part of a segregated, higher security institution like the government, some schools, and other enterprises that try to restrict your internet access.

      Even then, they mentioned during the Keynote that there would be ways to work with the CC apps.

      • Many editing systems I’ve seen weren’t connected to the internet. As far as I‘m aware that’s not totally uncommon.

        • for god’s sake, how many times does adobe have to say this ? you don’t need to be network’d to use the apps … just to download the software and updates.

          • You MUST connect to adobe.com every 30 days even if you prepaid for a year. This is a problem if you are doing field editing on doc footage in the 3rd world, on a boat on the amazon, etc. Maybe and edge case for most, but still…

    • You just need an internet connection to download and update the software

    • Then you might as well just give up on having any career involving technology.

    • Guys you only need an internet connection to download and update the apps. You can work offline if you want. Say you work in a price without internet, just buy Creative Cloud when you do have access and then use if offline later. No big deal.

      • Sorry guys, but has anyone of you actually read the full article??

        “If you have an annual membership, you’ll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days. However, you’ll be able to use products for 180 days even if you’re offline.”

  • It’s up to them, but I hope this is not the road all editing programs take.

  • Actually, I’m being too reasonable – I hope they suffer for this.

  • Offline users can go f themselves, right?

  • Darren Wolff on 05.6.13 @ 7:27PM

    I understand their move. They’ve obviously done the research!! Say no more.

  • Horrible for offline Studiosystems. We don’t have a connection to the internet so we don’t get leaks and viruses and shit.
    If you can use it without having a connection, its fine (just download it on another PC). But if not……well thanks :(

  • Re: “If you don’t have an internet connection,” I do not think you need a persistent internet connection to use Creative Cloud. I believe it checks once a month if you are a current customer. So, yes, you’ll need internet once in a while, but not always-on by any means.

    • Robert Thorpe on 05.6.13 @ 7:39PM

      Yeah, again, they have a few different solutions for this. During their keynote they mentioned internet restricted enterprises, organization and institutions will be able to access CC apps using their workaround. They didn’t go into detail, but it didn’t sound like it would be a problem.

    • Not to say cheating is a good thing to do but you could probably just block the monthly checks if you edit your host files to block adobe, but you would need it for the first activation.

    • Anthony Marino on 05.6.13 @ 10:15PM

      Its a dream for anyone who can’t or doesn’t want to shell out a ton of cash to use some pretty serious programs. I’ve been using the CS 4 months now (I have everything at my finger tips) and for the 200 it cost me so far it’s been worth it. Plus who needs to shell out a ton of cash for software right now? There’s way cheaper options out there to get the job done. Plus the second I can (and this is up to mac) I’m jumping back on the apple train. The windows operating system is like having a full time job. Its ridicules you gotta down load this, oops…gotta remove that, where did that come from?…etc etc It’s a mess. Premieres ok. I just miss editing on a mac, this pc stuff is for the birds.

  • I’ve been using Creative Cloud since it was released a year ago, and it’s actually been a good solution for me. I don’t have to pay the boxed retail price for Premiere / After Effects / etc, and everything stays up to date. I’m making enough money with the programs to justify the cost, and I get to deduct the payments on my taxes!

    I can definitely see why some people are upset, but I’d suggest at least trying it out before getting all up in arms about it.

    • Couldn’t you deduct the purchased software price as well? In the long run, did your accountant say you’d get a better deduction by paying monthly or a one time lump?

      • mitch,
        In CA, I would depreciate my software over a few years, and then I’d have a residual amount I could no longer write off. I could sell it on Ebay, or whatever, if I wanted. With Creative Cloud, I believe you can write off 100% of it, which is something all creatives should ask their accountants about.

        Kevin

  • Steven Huber on 05.6.13 @ 7:43PM

    This seems to me like an end to innovation – once people are locked into Adobe’s ecosystem for $50 a month, there won’t be much need to add features.

    • Although this could happen, given Adobe’s track record, I think it’s unlikely. Among other things, I see it as a way of trying to better compensate those big brains responsible for all the innovation for which Adobe is already known and respected. This change does mean we all have some thinking to do about how serious and/or productive we are about serious software/productivity tools.

    • It’s not like a Cell phone contract. If you don’t pay, you just can’t use the software. They’re not locking you into a prison.

  • Like everything else, it will be a perfect fit for some and a headache for others, especially those that dabble and don’t get a substantial financial return on the CS investment. Every graphic artist I know has it (because it’s almost unfathomable that you wouldn’t) but all have day jobs and don’t rely on it for income or even expect it to pay for itself.

    This link might help clear some things up:

    http://terrywhite.com/5-myths-about-adobe-creative-cloud/

  • Jacques Broquard on 05.6.13 @ 8:03PM

    A real issue with the Cloud or “Software as a Service” paradigm, is a shifting of the computing power back into the hands of a centralized mainframe.

    Quite a few years ago now, we had dummy terminals hooked up to mainframes that did all of the processing. These “thin clients” were the norm, because that’s all we had. It was a by-product of logistical necessity. Computing power was precious, and there just wasn’t a distributed way of accessing it.

    At many research institutes, demand for computing power would outstrip supply so much so that you would have to schedule your computer use. This is still the case today with supercomputers at high-end research institutions.

    Then came the personalized desktop computer, heralding a democratization of the technology and all of its attendant power to create whatever the imagination could conjure.

    The power to create, whatever you wanted, was in your hands & on your desk. Your data was yours. It was physically and literally in your possession. Floppy disks of varying sizes, CDs, DVDs, hard drives were all physically yours to possess.

    We are increasingly moving backwards, towards a system of remote storage, remote access and eventually, as indicated in the Keynote today remote processing. We can see this exampled not as theory but as practice with Google Drive Apps like their spreadsheets and other file types running on Chromebook laptops. We are allowed to back our data up, but the truth is, many of us are happy to create a file on Google Apps and never get around to backing it up. We will only increase our usage of the connected web in this manner, and as a result, we will increase our dependency on remote solutions.

    What does this mean? It means the license to create is no longer perpetual, but reliant on the prevailing market condition of the day. Price and access varies with supply and demand. Once Adobe penetrates the market with an aggressive pricing strategy, bringing everyone who once pirated into their legitimate usage fold, they will have a virtual monopoly on creation software. Our vesting will only deepen, and our loyalty will be enforced through deeper integration with our workflows and pipelines. What they do with this monopoly is not in our hands.

    There will be a day when our cameras’ output, our keyboards output, and our thought output may no longer be accessed by us when we want to, because we can no longer afford the price of continuous access.

    • “What does this mean? It means the license to create is no longer perpetual, but reliant on the prevailing market condition of the day. Price and access varies with supply and demand. Once Adobe penetrates the market with an aggressive pricing strategy, bringing everyone who once pirated into their legitimate usage fold, they will have a virtual monopoly on creation software. Our vesting will only deepen, and our loyalty will be enforced through deeper integration with our workflows and pipelines. What they do with this monopoly is not in our hands.

      There will be a day when our cameras’ output, our keyboards output, and our thought output may no longer be accessed by us when we want to, because we can no longer afford the price of continuous access.”

      mate, don’t fuck the religion of technology (prof. David Noble has a great book on it) with such harsh realistic libertarian truth! ;)

      also, those thinking it’s weird to want to have your creative production machines away from the internet, like to NOT have the machines accessing the internet may be good to avoid content piracy… first “elite troop” movie from Jose Padilha had pirate copies all over brazil before it was showing in theaters because of this… in the second “elite troop” movie they decided to shut down the internet in the content making bay! :)

  • Here is why I don’t like this. In fact I hate it. Here’s why…

    Firstly, the way it was you could decide if new features were worth your money or not. For my needs I found that I was more than happy to upgrade only every other version. If I were to break it down and look at it as a monthly cost this would come out to about $16 a month for Production Premium. Now they want me to pay $40 or $50 a month for a subscription to every single piece of software they make, at least 60% of which I will NEVER use… I don’t give a flying F*%K about In Design, or Dream Weaver, and most of the others I only use once in a blue moon. The only ones I use regularly are After Effects Premiere and Photoshop…

    Also the idea that if I stop paying them I can’t open my old projects with an older version of the software makes me intensely angry…

    This is what happens when a corporation gets a monopoly. They get greedy and screw the little guy…

    • I second this.

      Every professional user of Adobe software I know operates this way… they weigh if the update is worth the price to them or not… eventually the upgrade would become appealing enough for a purchase. I regularly skipped one and then bought one, because that’s what I honestly think they had earned… the marginal updates weren’t worth it to me.

      Is there a petition somewhere I can sign? Not that it’d matter right?

      Will it work for Adobe? Yep.

      This business model cannot be just about piracy… if Windows can have an authenticator built into their os, Adobe can do the same with their suites. Though added piracy deterrent is a bonus for any software company.

      It IS about monthly income, because it’s easier to do everything in a business with regular monthly income.

      Not offering the two options is a bit of a sucker-punch, it’s greedy, and it’s not in the best interest of their customers. At a minimum they could charge a premium for a non-CC version. If it’s worth it to me, and it is, let me buy it.

      BUT I will end up switching… when I am compelled by new and improved features in a future ‘upgrade’.
      Freakin’ Adobe.

      Cheers!

    • That’s messed up.

    • Yeah I agree. I work freelance so one month I might be working flat out – the next month doing not very much. I think if I did a “cost-benefit” analysis of how much it will cost me to go on “the cloud” then I will end up paying more than if I bought upgrades every year or two and the prices don’t inflate too much, and that’s only if I think the upgrade is worth the money. With this system you cannot decide if a new feature is actually going to be used but you pay for it anyway! So if this was about what the customers want, then they would be given the choice which route they want to take, depending on the kind of work they do, simple. Some people work flat out and for them it might be good, but for the rest? Different people have different needs. One size does not fit all. But hey, democracy is a terrible idea, dictatorship is much easier, especially when people consent to it.

  • So, if I’m understanding things correctly, it’ll be just like creative suite, but you have to connect to them every so often to update and validate the software? Sounds pretty arbitrary and will likely be cracked like the creative suite. So all you pirates out there, don’t worry your little jolly rogers over it.

  • Been using the cloud since it came out and am very happy with it. For me it’s a bargain. Figured I’d have to use it for about 10 years before I’d spend more “renting” than for the purchase price for all the programs. And it’s always up-to-date. You do NOT need constant internet access. Anyone who is whining because they can’t “steal” the software needs to grow up and move out of their parent’s rec-room.

  • You hope they suffer? Why? for years people have been pirating software from amazing companies its about time they put a lid on it. Geeze I cant believe some people, anyone with a brain would do the same thing.

    • This isn’t about piracy. They’ve always had anti-piracy measures. This is about getting a monthly fee out of you, in perpetuity.

      • It doesn’t matter, your still saving money for 10 years and by then if Adobe slips you just move along to the next program. I chose creative cloud because its constantly updated and a new version comes out every few years plus we have access to all 13 or 14 programs they offer.

  • The pirate community won’t be phased by this one bit. They’ll find a way to trick the app into thinking that it made the connection with the activation server, so I don’t think this is a move to do away with piracy. I haven’t looked into it enough to know what the real merits are, but I’m sure Adobe has their reasons…piracy is probably only a very small reason.

    • You’re missing the point – by making it more challenging to pirate the software, it vastly reduces the number of “casual” pirates. Of course there will always be people for whom cracking software is practically an ambition, but they aren’t Adobe target (and, most likely, aren’t creative professionals anyway).

      For the vast majority of users, simply paying $600/yr (or $250/yr for students) is easier and more economical than dealing with the threat of ongoing server-side anti-piracy measures, which could disable your entire suite of software at any time.

      • It’s not any more challenging than it was before. This only affects the people that actually purchase the software.

        • But that group of people who purchase will be a far greater number of people, guaranteed. It’s akin to the Netflix phenomenon; torrenting of movies has dropped significantly. Why? Because ultimately, for most users – pirating is just a risk/reward and hassle/convenience calculation. $7/mo for not being hassled by your ISP and having reliable quality (not to mention instant access) is simply WORTH it.

          For CS/CC, having access to ongoing updates, new features, new releases, and the full Adobe suite (plus the cloud space and tools) FAR outweighs the risk and PITA nature of having to find cracked versions – which years ago, was as simple as a few clicks and a few hours of downloading.

          • It’s still just a couple clicks and a few hours of downloading.

          • Guaranteed how? Creative cloud was already available and allowed people the convenience of month-to-month and the creative suite was available for purchase as a physical product that didn’t require a monthly fee. They just removed the latter. Neither of those make a difference to pirates. They’ll find a work around. This affects people like us, and it sets a dangerous precedent.

            If you liked Adobe Creative Cloud then you’ll love SimCity

  • If Adobe would have priced their software reasonably in the first place then there wouldn’t be so much piracy. Look how affordable Apple software is and look unreasonable Adobe software is priced.

    • That’s a completely illogical comparison – Apple also makes the hardware that its software almost exclusively runs on. In a way, the hardware premium subsidizes the software development.

      Plus, what software does Apple make – aside from FCP X/Motion and MAYBE aperture – that really goes head-to-head with Adobe CS products?

    • You’re kidding, right? Compare the price of Adobe Production Premium CS6 (~$1500) which included NLE, compositing, disc authoring, Photoshop, Illustrator, etc., to Final Cut Studio 3 (~$1300) which had the same, but a few less things, and Avid Media Composer 6 (which I believe was around (~$1500 for the NLE, disc authoring and compression.. and that’s it).

      Just because things are cheap now, doesn’t mean they always were. Keep perspective.

      Adobe wasn’t “unreasonably priced”. Now, Final Cut Pro X + Motion + Compressor is altogether… $400? And you’ll need to pay to upgrade when XI, or whatever the next thing is, comes out. Compared to Adobe being now between $360 and $600/yr for literally every program Adobe offers in the Creative Cloud. It’s not a bad deal now, either.

    • I don’t use adobe stuff any more, but I do miss after effects for sure, but one good way to please both “professional” people and students and underground people is what Side Effects does with Houdini, a free version for students with watermarks in the renderings plus a U$100 for a student/non-commercial version of the very expensive version of their magical 3D suite. Piracy of new versions of houdini droped to virtualy none after that, so maybe you are right in your observation. :)

    • Yeah look at how affordable apple’s software is.. except its not usable for professionals. Its an expensive iMovie.

      • Ah, the old anti-FCP X trolling that was en vogue about two years ago. Get over it – plenty of well-paid “professionals” are using X and are doing just fine.

  • I hope there is a big uproar about this similar to people crying about FCPX two years ago.

  • Life_in_the_Cloud on 05.6.13 @ 10:12PM

    I’ll keep my cracked version of CS6 and cracked plug-ins for the next few years.

    Soon your entire life will be in the cloud and then TPTB can turn you “off” with the click of the mouse.

    Welcome to 1984! :)

    • When you start making money off of your work, perhaps you’ll feel differently about the need for dependable, legally owned software. For just GoPro videos or whatever, though, I can understand why you wouldn’t feel the need to pay for it like a working adult would.

    • That’s exactly the first thing I thought the first time I heard about all this cloud thing…I find it quite scary and not personal at all….but hey people thinks it’s awesome because now they don’t have to deal with a box and a bunch of DVD….that was so annoying…..sigh…….

  • A licensed CS Production Premium owner (of past 4 versions) and a freelancer not from the US (that means I do not earn in dollars) this is a dagger through the heart. Upgrade used to cost $399 for 2 years, now all I have is $1200 for 2 years + I do not own any software.
    They are trying to show this lollipop of $20/mo for existing members but that is 1 year only.. I am glad that apart from After Effects I am not wholly dependent on any other adobe “app”.
    That is why competition is always important I guess.

  • It’ll be cracked within a month regardless. It still will work with the same registration system. The scene isn’t what it used to be but someone will be up for the challenge.

    That being said I am indifferent but don’t kid yourselves that this is finally the end all to piracy of newer adobe products.

  • I think it sucks. That is a lot of money per month for individual users. Businesses, sure, who cares, but as a lowly indie filmmaker, that is a lot of money, especially considering as a University employee I can get the Academic version which is very inexpensive.

  • What i’d like to know is that when your license runs out… are you able to keep using the the software on their last versions that were available when u still were paying the monthly fee?

  • I’m praying this completely backfires in their face. I’ve been using my licensed version of Photoshop since version 4 (not CS4). It and Lightroom are the only Adobe products I use. I upgraded every other year for whatever the upgrade price was. Now it will cost me $600 per year, the price of a full version of Photoshop, every year? No thanks.

    Hey Adobe, not everybody is using your software every day. What about folks, like myself, who use Photoshop and edit video on an infrequent basis. (I’m so glad I didn’t get into Premiere now.) Do you really expect us to pay $600/month for something we need a few days out of the month?

    I know a lot of you ‘professionals’ out there will scoff at part-time users and declare us unprofessional but, not all the people who need this software are working every day.

    I’ll keep an old Mac with a ‘disked’ version of PS alive and running as long as I can and Adobe will never get any more $ from me. I will use their product but, I will no longer be a customer.

    It’s a disturbing trend and I agree with everyone opposed to this. I’ve never hacked anything and I never will but, if there was ever a reason to do it, this is it.

    • That line should read, “Do you really expect us to pay —$600/year— for something we need a few days out of the month?

      • $600 is for the entire suite. It’s $20/month or $240/year for single applications (and you can use the app offline for up to 180 days). This product is marketed towards anyone looking to purchase a new version of any of the Adobe Applications, and there are discounts available for the upgrade as far back as CS3. If you’re not looking for a new cheaper version application that provides you with updates at no extra cost, then this product isn’t for you — in that cause you should purchase CS6 while you can.

        • I work in 3 applications – Premiere Pro, AE and Photoshop.. Now what? $60 for 3 apps? and upgrade pricing is for 1 year only.. I am ready to pay 5 year up front if they are willing to offer that.
          I have been such a vociferous supporter of Adobe and chose CS4 when FCP7 was the norm. Feel devastated as a freelancer.

  • Aren’t there any entrepreneurs out there anymore?

    You get all the paid services Adobe offers too (not just apps). You can host 5 websites for free on Business Catalyst. Host a few of your buddy’s websites for $20/mo each and it’s got you pretty much there. Not to mention 20GB of storage (cut out DropBox if you’re paying for that too).

    It’s only $50/mo. I pay more for my iPhone data and hot spot. No one’s complaining about AT&T robbing you blind.

    If its too much out of pocket and you can’t figure out how to turn a profit, try Gimp, Pixelmator, Coda, and even iWork if you’re on a Mac. Pages is a great InDesign replacement.

    • Not to mention it’s not like they send the feds after you if you don’t pay. You can stop paying when you don’t need it. I’ve done that several times when my company experienced a slow time period in regards to client based projects. I simply re-activated when I needed it again.

      This is like Netflix.

    • DaveChap,
      I like your thinking: host websites with Business Catalyst, create websites with Muse, HTML5 web banners with Edge Animate, some e-pubs with inDesign. The list goes on…

      Kevin

  • A decision they will regret.

  • I love cc, however I wonder about how a more aggressive update cycle will effect the program’s stability with 3rd party plugins like red giant.

    That being said I bet this move will really scare apple.

  • I think it’s a good thing they finally kill it… It’s also good for professionals paying their ass off everymonth to make good movies where other kids can try the same thing with a copied version… Less competition I guess!

  • I’m fallen in love with Creative Cloud. 50 bucks a month keeps me up to date with ALL products. As an editor, I find myself in Premiere, AE, Photoshop, Illustrator, and Indesign fairly regularly. The 20 gigs of online storage isn’t so bad, either. For people saying “oh no now students can’t pirate it!” – that’s not valuable criticism. 20 bucks a month for a student shouldn’t be too outrageous to have access to every adobe product. Thats cheaper than an internet connection, and probably 3 ties cheaper than cable. Get your priorities straight and you’ll be fine.

    Nobody has cable anymore anyway.

    • Precisely. I know people who spend more in one night of drinking in college than it costs to have access to a $3000 suite of software. Give me a break about the unreasonable whole “cost” nonsense.

    • Nice Alex. Amongst those on this thread that are already on Creative Cloud, I see nothing but success stories. Congrats.

  • I dislike this move toward a rental system only. Some people are still working with the CS2 or CS3 products without the absolute need to have the latest feature (I admit that it is more complicated with video). Working with an older version does not make the work less valid, as the latest “innovative” feature does not make a work a better work of art. Are we now stuck with a system that oblige everyone to pay a monthly fee for using the Adobe products? Is Adobe taking advantage of their position on the software market, hiding their race for more profit behind the innovation incentive marketing discourse? It might be convenient for some, but not necessarily for others. And in many cases I have the impression that it could become a financial burden, especially beginners, and independant artists.

    • LibertarianSoldier on 11.15.13 @ 12:49PM

      Actually, it may be more of a benefit for smaller, low end users. The company I work for, being a full time marketing company, was able to afford the $6000 license for Adobe Create Suite 5, but will the average user who may just need it for a personal website be able to afford that? Or what? $500 or so for Photoshop alone?

      Nor would I expect them to spend that kind of money when there are cheaper/free alternatives online, however, they are definitely NOT photoshop! But if you can get photoshop, which you may not use full time or for business purposes, $15 a month for the time they need it may be cost effective for general and widespread use.

      However, this concept wouldn’t be appealing for companies such as the one I work for that would much rather buy and own the software, as we have CS5 and have no need for CS6 or anything newer at this time. We’d rather spend it for the right software and licenses and not need any additional expenses unless we reach a limitation with current software, which we haven’t yet seen.

  • What a drag. count me out. switched from Final Cut, but I will look for another solution when I need it. I don’t want to be tethered to anything, have had trouble at my main gig which uses this service, trouble with ‘validation’ that took a couple hours to clear up. The whole point of ‘personal’ computing is that it’s free of this kind of attachment. May not be the way the world is going, but for me, my editing system is a product, not a service. One more monthly bill to think about? no thanks. Having to check in with the mothership once a month? No thanks. There is/will be other solutions, no doubt.

  • While I hate the idea of “renting” my software, from a business decision, it’s a no brainer. For the close to the price of an Avid MC upgrade, I can get the full suite of CC products. Hell, from 5.5 to 6 cost twice as much. When you put this down on paper, it looks really good. When you run a post house and have to worry about more than one computer, it looks fantastic. 5 computers = $2400 a year in licensing (teams are $40 a month). That’s less than what Master Collection cost for one license. If you’re upgrading, then it’s the cost of two upgrades, and bam, you’ve got 5 for the price of 2 (my upgrades were around $1200 for 5.5 to 6 on Production).

    Yeah, if you’re pirating or not upgrading every cycle, I can see why you might hate it, but this move is totally aimed at businesses. Any business who makes money using their software will very seriously consider this, and once the numbers get crunched, it’ll look very appealing. I really can’t find a person who might feel screwed over. This is just cheaper, period. Unless you were looking to buy a CS package and use it for more than 2 years. That’s the only way if you’re deprecating the cost of your software over the product cycles, that you can start to “lose” money.

    • My upgrade from cs5 production premium to cs6 was about $350. so it cost me $175 per year on average. Since there is no production premium in creative cloud, the only choice I have is the individual plan at $50 per month (So the first year is discounted but it goes full price after the first year). That amounts to $600 per year. Plus, I don’t own the software anymore. How is that a good deal? This plan sucks, I hope someone else comes along in the next 4 years that put Adobe against the wall.

      • Absolutely. It is certainly a business move, thinly veiled in the press release as support for creatives and amateur users.

    • The average NLE is good for 3 years before you need to upgrade softwear. I agree its not cost affective you lose out big on the cloud.

  • mike_tee_vee on 05.7.13 @ 12:41PM

    Adobe is targeting businesses. Simply put, if your work does not earn in excess of $600 annually to justify this monthly rent expense, then they don’t want your business anymore.

    • trackofalljades on 05.7.13 @ 1:57PM

      That’s it precisely. They’re letting the amateur/personal market know, in no uncertain terms, that they’re abandoning them completely. So the question is, who’s going to be first in on that cash grab?

      • $50/month (or less) is “abandoning the amateur/personal market?” You can subscribe and unsubscribe if you want when you need or don’t need it. If $50 is too much to pay for a month of use, then by all means I’m sure there are some free video/photo editing programs you can use instead. But I don’t get all this talk about it being too expensive. An entire suite of applications for $50/month should, in my opinion, be a no brainer if you work in, or want to work in, this industry. One job of any sort should make it back and then some.

        • I’m with Koo. A single project can pay for an entire year of CC membership. Even if 99% of your work is for school or personal stuff, you can shoot a wedding and boom—done with CC cost for the year. This is NOT expensive, and I really don’t get when less-expensive option was out there before the move to CC? Production Premium was about $1500—the academic price was…. $300? You can get academic CC for $20/month!

          • Derek Stevenson on 05.7.13 @ 3:08PM

            I concur. At creative suites full price ($2600) at highest subscription ($50.00 a month not to mention for students its $20.00) You will have paid for the full retial price in 4 1/2 years (8 for students). This is not to mention you get EVERYTHING adobe makes so your getting at least $5000 in other software with your subscription that you can play around with and learn and not have to buy. It is a no brainer for anyone. In 4 years you would have to buy the upgrades the come out with. With the subrciption you dont. Given in about 8-10 years you will be paying more than the retail price for all these applications you have access to but…come on now there is no need to be QQing about this. It is an amazing deal.

          • Derek Stevenson on 05.7.13 @ 3:12PM

            Students can recycle cans in apartment to pay for this monthly.

          • “Students can recycle cans in apartment to pay for this monthly.” – Ha!

        • It’s hard to say this is bad thing or that this is good thing. It can open opportunity for kids or students while reducing, hopefully the need to pirate. Although, a large studio might rather buy it out right and put funds toward other things for the next few years while relying on updates. It certainly does break the cycle of studios not buying software but every two years or even once a year yet, it opens up the door for anyone to start using these amazing tools!

        • Owners of the software (after CS3) only have to pay $30/month with an annual commitment; even better!

        • you have to subscribe to a annual plan for $50 dollars a month or individual programs for $20 each per month. I got the master suite 6 years ago (education discount for $800. Used it for two years and then switched to production premium for a $300 upgrade (didn’t use many programs so it didn’t make sense to pay for them). Then upgraded again to CS6 for $330. Total cost was $1430 for 6 years. Under this plan, total cost would be $3600 with no discounts after the first year. How is creative cloud cheaper? Remember, you only pay full price your first time around and then the upgrade are considerably cheaper. I am a hobbyist filmmaker who may eventually get in the industry one day but I don’t like renting software at a higher price. Bad move to eliminate hard copies.

          • if they gave a permanent discount to long term users, then it would make sense to me. I would be willing to pay $25 a month for production premium programs on creative cloud but not $50 for all the programs that I will not use. The other thing that scares me is that they could change their policy at a whim, as they just did and there isn’t much you can do but pay them more and hope they don’t screw you further because in the end, they owe the software and you don’t.

        • It’s a 600 dollar per year subscription commitment to Adobe as it now stands when you enroll at 50 dollars per month and CC requires a 1 year commitment. There is no option to un-enroll and re-enroll as you please for projects that don’t require continuous use of Creative Cloud software suite. Imagine Adobe feels a lower revenue stream due to fewer subscriptions under this new plan is unacceptable to shareholders and doubles the monthly subscription rate. What options do the independents now have? Funny that Koo sees this a win-win for cash poor independents. Obviously, Adobe will squeeze us for all they can get going forward and this business model has a strong-arm business tactic feel to it. No pay no play for a subscription based licensing model. Miss a monthly payment and you have no working version of the software. Brave New World indeed.
          Next topic not addressed: roll-out of new features and user interface changes without the ability of customers to roll back the updates. Instead of defined feature updates on a new version of your CS application, new features and code changes will just appear randomly throughout the subscription cycle. How will individual users without in-house IT support (found at all the big production houses who support the software internally) survive these unannounced feature and user interface changes? CC users give up the ability to determine when and where the new features get adopted under this subscription model. Imagine the hardware requirements change during your project unannounced by Adobe. They have to change at some point in every software life cycle but now you have lost control of adopting the new requirements at your own speed by upgrading to a new version of CS.

          • David,
            You said, “Next topic not addressed: roll-out of new features and user interface changes without the ability of customers to roll back the updates. Instead of defined feature updates on a new version of your CS application, new features and code changes will just appear randomly throughout the subscription cycle.”

            You are the one that must accept the update. You are never forced to update. The teams have indicated that there will be a number of versions (or snapshots) of the CC product available to roll back to, if need be.

            You said, “CC users give up the ability to determine when and where the new features get adopted under this subscription model.”

            Again, it is not necessary to update every time one becomes available. That choice is up to you.

            Hope that helps,
            Kevin

          • David,
            Another thing. You can subscribe to Creative Cloud month to month too, if you like. It’s $74.99. On Creative Cloud Plans, select Individual. Then enable “Cancel at Any Time,” then you’ll see that option: https://creative.adobe.com/plans?plan=offers

            Thanks,
            Kevin

        • Right Ryan,
          So in the future when my poor ass has to decide to back a kickstarter project to support something I actually believe in or someone’s dream (And I do back projects – and I did back yours) – I can tell you that if my ass if paying a monthly subscription in order to keep using it – i’m not likely to throw money at people who can’t get a project done out of their own pocket because now mine is being tugged at and reminded of it monthly.

          You might think that’s a weak argument – but believe me if I’m paying 50 bucks and reminded of it each month – i’m back your project or anyone else’s anymore…

  • I can see a few different sides of this now that I’ve read many comments. For those who use Premiere or Photoshop only, and only a couple of times per month open another program, yeah.. that’s kind of a bummer.

    For folks like me, though, who use Premiere, AE, Illustrator, Photoshop, etc., etc., every single day, CC is the best news ever. The annual license is perfect for me right now, but if my work gets more seasonal, the month-to-month pricing is an option (just roll it into a budget somewhere).

    For those who hate this because it’s too expensive… idk, maybe you are in the wrong field. I say that with the exception of those who are just learning the software. While I still hold that you should just do one or two projects to pay for a year of the service (since you apparently aren’t working professionally). Personally, I would love to see Adobe copy Autodesk with their free 3-year license for those who are in school or who have been laid off. That’s awesome.

    • Yes, David S. We hope folks like you try even more applications. You may find some that cross over well with your existing talents and could bring some extra dough into the shop. Use Edge Animate to create HTML5 web banners for clients, etc.

      Kevin

  • I’m sorry but this is just bad bad bad. As Adobe’s market share grows, so will these monthly fees. It’s affordable now, but at some point, it may no longer be (especially for smaller firms & individuals). When that day comes, those folks won’t even be able to OPEN their past projects. Imagine! That sounds like a nightmare.

    Of course, the only recourse we have as consumers is to take our business elsewhere and hope that Adobe abandons this business model. I’ll be doing that now, before my work gets locked in.

    • vanlazarus on 05.9.13 @ 5:38PM

      Opening past projects? With the complexity of most projects, they only have a limited shelf-life anyways. Ever tried loading up an old project from 5 years earlier? Usually a nightmare, or impossible.

  • Casey Orion on 05.7.13 @ 5:30PM

    Another great point in here that has seemed to go unnoticed is that the software works for 180 days even without a verification. This particular issue is extremely helpful for those who travel in places where internet is sketchy at best. It was the one issue I was worried about and they seem to have smoothed that one out.

    I use creative cloud now and so far its great. I like the move to all CC because now they can focus on the services, which is really what this subscription model unlocks. Don’t want to be tethered? You’re tethered to you’r phone bill, you’re internet bill, you’re electrical bill and now in this world its no longer about simply apps or software is about services. This is what things like evernote, dropbox, icloud etc. are built on.

  • The hate against Creative Cloud is amazing… I’m a freelancer and most of the time, I use the computers they have onsite, but last year I switched to Creative Cloud anyway, even if I’m making very little money out of my own hardware, I still do a lot of personal projects that help me grow as an artist/freelancer/designer and for me the price of CC was a no brainer. I could not see myself forking out the $3000 dollars needed to buy the software, it was just not realistic, so I was using cracked software, but they announced the Creative Cloud, it suddenly became a very tangible possibility for me to get me the whole Creative Suite and I still see it as affordable. I think it’s actually more aimed [or I that's how I felt it] at individuals/small businesses for whom it might have been difficult to justify what could be a reasonable amount of cash to buy those software
    I understand the point of not owning the software, but in the end, I still make enough money, for now at least, to justify that monthly payment.

  • Yeah I don’t get the hate. So you’re saying you would would rather pay $3k for the suite? And then 2 years later fork another $3k for the next version? What’s great about this is I get to upgrade to the next iteration of adobe cs for the price of a monthly fee. That’s amazing! I used to work with pirated software, then I started working regularly and couldn’t count on it anymore. The fact that I get the whole suite for $50 a month is a great deal. It would’ve taken me months to a year to save that much money for some software that will eventually get outdated.

    Yes. I’ve been using Cloud for the past 4 months. It’s been great.

    • It’s $50/month now. What’s to stop them from raising it to $100-200/month (or more) sometime down the road? There’s no promise this price point will stay the same.

      Once you buy in, you won’t be able to even open your old projects without paying for the ongoing subscription, whatever the price. That’s scary.

      • And don’t forget it’s for life!!!! So when you buy a software is yours forever….so if i buy a software today ..i can use it until I want, maybe I don’t need to update every year…..with this cloud you only use it when you pay…so if you quit doing your job and you don’t pay you can not use it. Even if you monthly have paid what the whole suit costs. That’s not fair and i’m pretty sure price will rise so muuch in a year or so….

        • If you own the software (used to make those old projects) it’s only $30 per month. And you still have the original software to lean on.

          • 30$ a month forever….once you pay a full version of a software you have it forever…if you quit paying CC you don’t own the software anymore….so..this is a for-life rental…so I don’t think it’s very nice..

          • $30 for the first year. After that it’s up to $50.

            And again, that’s forever.

      • I wouldn’t worry about that too much, but I see your point about what “could be.” Adobe wants to remain a great deal for all creatives and pricing the service accordingly is in our best interests. “Jacking up” the price for no added benefit simply doesn’t make good business sense. We want to keep customers and attract even more folks to the Creative Cloud.

  • I think this might be part of a rather dubious business plan. While it seems like a good “deal” at first I am extremely skeptical as to how this will unfold in the long run. The price is definitely going to rise and when it does they’ll have all your old projects by the balls. If they kept the option of buying the software outright then I would think differently but by forcing everyone who relies on their software, which is an obviously massive amount of people and companies, to submit to the subscription tells me that they’re going to be making their money back and more in the long run.

    I mean, how is this benefiting Adobe? Unless I’m missing something here, they need to keep someone subscribed for over four years in order to make up for the cost of CS6 now, and that isn’t including a theoretical CS6.5 or CS7 that would inevitably be released in that time. Even if they increased their userbase by 33% (!) by converting all the pirates into going legit they’d still barely be breaking even.The only way they’re going turn a similar profit on this is to hook everyone in in 2013 and jack up the prices significantly by the end of 2014 when they’ve got all your old projects.

    At least, that’s my tin-foil-hat perspective, anyway.

    • “The price is definitely going to rise” – based on what? I understand the fear that they will do this, but this isn’t like the price of gasoline, where the company has a captive audience. There are other options out there. If they raise the price, people will move. Yeah, it’ll suck losing access to old projects, but still. I’m pretty brand loyal, but only to a point.

      • When has a corporation ever offered a subscription service, grown their market share, then choose NOT to raise their prices over time? Has your cell phone / cable / internet / Netflix (etc) subscription fees ever stayed the same?

        The point is, once you buy in, you ARE a captive audience. You’lll be forced to pay (whatever they choose to charge) simply to have access to your own work.

        Sure, if the prices become unbearable, you could choose to move on and attempt to export all your projects within the 30 or 180 day check-in period. Or, you could move on now before your work gets locked in.

        Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Adobe will only charge $50 a month forever and ever and ever.

        I doubt it.

        • Hi,
          You know, it is not in our best interest to price creatives out of the Creative Cloud. It is also in our best interest to attract new customers to the Creative Cloud and a high price won’t attract them. Does that make sense?

          Kevin

    • This is definitely to curb piracy

    • Adobe will no longer have to pay for all those discs to be pressed and boxes to be made… housed …shipped … they will be making some coin and will not have to wait 4 or 5 years to make a profit off one person….

      • They could have stopped pressing discs without going for this rental model (like Apple for instance).

        It is the right thing for professionals and businesses, I agree (monthly costs are also good for your taxes etc.).

        However, it is bad for home users who bought a copy of Photoshop (maybe even an older, used copy) and worked privately with it for years without upgrading.

  • What happens to the people who are using Adobe creative suite in countries where the cloud is still not available. I am from India and can’t get the cloud as the feature is still not available here. This means we cannot use the latest Creative Cloud,

  • What this Adobe’s move really means: you’ll have to PAY FOR LIFE just be be able to OPEN YOUR WORK.

    You might use just photoshop or illustrator or any of the apps today. People start doing graphic design work while studying and then later recicle themselves into say, a coder (dreamweaver or flash). And maybe years later jump into video and become Pros. Or become a lawyer or a writer and abandon everything altogether. But some day you want to come back, or just want to open YOUR OWN WORK. Maybe just a year later. Well, you cannot. Because you stopped paying the monthly fee.

    So Adobe found a way to TIE ANYBODY who EVER used any of their software into a FOR-LIFE PAYMENT. Just to revisit and open their own work!

    The monthly subscribtion works for corporations and design firms, but it won’t for everybody else. Let’s remember Photoshop alone is used (sometimes just occasionally) by all sorts of people, bio-engineers, architects, farmers, flower shops, etc.
    PAY FOR LIFE? Why can’t you buy it once and upgrade it 6 years later (if you ever need it). ABSURD.

    I forsee the new model will be even more pirated than before.

    • Some apps can save to many different formats – not just propriety project files. Photoshop can export TIFF, Premiere can export XML and AAF, and Dreamweaver (as far as I know — I don’t work in web design) works primarily in HTML and CSS. With the Creative Cloud, it might be wise for users to save an additional copy of their projects in these other formats just in case they decide to switch to something else down the line.

      You make some great points though, and I think they apply very much to products such as After Effects, Encore, and Flash. In this case, there unfortunately aren’t many other alternatives (besides AE to Motion perhaps).

    • They’ll continue to support CS6. You can always keep it around with CC.
      Do you really think you won’t be able to open old projects with the newer software? I haven’t encountered that with them so far. I’m still impressed that After Effects 6.0 saves to the older 5.5 format!

    • I agree with this.. this is almost criminal from Adobe. Earlier if you buy the software u can keep using it, go back to your files even 5 years later and modify them if needed. U don’t need to upgrade the software if the version you have does all the tricks u need. Now you are forced to keep the license rolling or u run out of ability to open the files later. U have to keep paying for the upgrades u may not need just so that u can access your files. Subscription SHOULD work so that once u stop paying for the license, you loose the cloud features, support and upgrades… but the software as it was when you last time had the license should remain active for you to use and downloadable for reinstalls (if cloud access is needed for that). This would also encourage Adobe to work REALLY hard to make the softwares better so that people would want to keep paying the cloud fee for having new upgrades.

      • ts,
        Keep in mind that if you really did need to open a file from 5 years earlier, you could subscribe to an application or the entire Creative Cloud for a single month. An application is $20, so you could probably bill that back to your client without too much complaint.

        Kevin

        • Great, so I’d have to pay Adobe to go back and tinker with something I created. That’s fair.

          • Hi Max,
            Yes, that’s one drawback about any subscription service. That said, for Premiere Pro, an XML will open any backwards compatible project in CS6. After Effects promises to have backwards compatibility to CS6, as well. Sorry if that’s not the answer you wanted to hear, but you will likely be able to open your projects in CS6 versions of the software.

            Thanks,
            Kevin

    • I’m so pissed off at Adobe for this move. I’ve used Adobe products for nearly 20 years, spent many thousands of dollars. I guess there is no loyalty to its old customers! At this point in my life the only two products I really use are Photoshop and Acrobat. It feels like extortion or holding me hostage. For my needs I don’t always need the latest updates or the latest software. So why should I have to pay every month for something I don’t need. I just want my life to be simple. Buy the software and its mine. I don’t want another monthly charge added to my life.

      I should be able to work on or open past project at my leisure on software thats outdated! Adobe truly doesn’t care about its customer but its bottom dollars. If Adobe really cared it would give its customers the choice on which route they would like to take.

      Screw you Adobe! What a disservice!

  • WOW, that’s a low blow cash grab. Unbelievable. What if you don’t have access to the internet, you can’t use the software? lol

  • I think we’re forgetting a major point here.
    With the Cloud there is no more upkeep with old software. No more spending time and money helping people who won’t or can’t let go of CS4 or whatever. All money and research is put into the future of the products not the past. Everyone will be working with the same updates so no more “my CS6 project won’t play nice with your CS3 software” or other compatibility issues. No other NLE except maybe Lightworks can promise that kind of world wide integration. Adobe will save tons and tons of money not having to support old software and can put all resources into future updates and innovations. In two years they could be leaps and bounds ahead of all other similar companies and would not have had to raise the monthly amount one dime.
    Not only is this a good idea but its the future of software in general. Technology and hardware are moving so fast it’s becoming inefficient cost wise to keep up and more and more companies will be turning to the cloud platform. Instead of complaining I’d embrace it, it’s not going anywhere.

    • It’s “not going anywhere” if people buy into it. Thankfully, there are other options out there.

    • vanlazarus on 05.9.13 @ 5:40PM

      I agree. It’s the way of the future… even if it has downsides. Subscription software will be the norm in 20 years… probably less.

  • Well, looks like I’ll be doing some research on Sony Vegas Pro as an alternative. Anyone happen to know how it compares to Premiere?

    • vanlazarus on 05.9.13 @ 5:44PM

      I’m a long time Vegas user. The interface for the timeline is second to none. Unfortunately, I’ve been forced to switch to Premiere because the last 3 versions of Vegas have gotten more and more unreliable and buggy. I still use it for simple projects because I can edit very fast in it. Premiere is more stable though… Both have pros and cons.

  • I can’t say I blame Adobe for this, from what I’ve seen piracy of their software is absolutely rife, which helps no one when some are billing for their time without factoring the overhead for the software costs they should be paying. That squeezes those who want to do things legit. But I’ve just looked at the UK price plan: £48/month… W T utter F? If it’s $40 in the US, then that’s about double the cost.

    • Correction: $49.99/month vs £46.88/month. But that’s still more than a 50% markup for UK customers. What a rip off. Sort it out Adobe.

      • Peter Kelly on 05.9.13 @ 6:18AM

        thats a disgrace!

      • vanlazarus on 05.9.13 @ 5:52PM

        I agree that charging 50 pounds in the UK is silly. Adobe software is used worldwide. It’s price should be consistent worldwide. I’m glad Adobe isn’t trying to charge more in Canada like many companies do. For those outside of the US, just pay $5 a month for a proxy server. Then you can pay the same price as the americans (+$5 for the proxy :))

    • Rob Manning on 05.9.13 @ 4:32PM

      Cracked means incomplete applications, greyed out connectivity etc.

      Rife to be sure, with malware, unless one can subscript to weed out nefarious bots, the versions online are all missing a wheel.

      Using CS6 in it’s final release iteration, should carry over for at least five years and if someone MUST have the newer gadget applications or connective tissue, then subscribe for a month.

      How many are still using FCP or older CS suites? A lot of people.

  • I actually don’t have a problem with the Cloud in general because I use a lot of their software often. What I DO have a HUGE problem with is this: I am a one man show. Sometimes I need to have my laptop rendering out a project while I work on my desktop at the same time. Their sales / cust. service guys tell me this is not possible under CC. I’m not going to buy a second license just so I can render. That’s what pisses me off. First Apple screwed us with Final Cut and now Adobe is following suite. Now it seems like Apple is the more flexible one with their more relaxed Final Cut Pro X EULA. Adobe needs to dial back the greed a notch and give single users the same flexibility to use PPro on 2 systems at the same time like we had under the CS6.

    • vanlazarus on 05.9.13 @ 5:48PM

      Dial back the greed? Their software is some of the most pirated in the world. I hardly blame them for adopting a model that vastly reduces piracy. Place yourself as one of their engineers for half a second, watching most of the world use Photoshop and not pay for it, and tell me you wouldn’t be looking for a way to reduce that? Perhaps the western sense of entitlement is rearing it’s ugly head again.

    • U can’t install CC to two computers anymore like CS6? If u can u can just unplug one of the computers from internet or your local network so that it can’t detect the software is already running else where.

    • You might be getting some bad information. The Creative Cloud FAQ says you can run applications concurrently on two computers. From the “Getting Started” section:

      “Yes, you can use Creative Cloud desktop applications on two computers at once, regardless of operating system, for the individual associated with the Creative Cloud membership. See the product license agreements page for more information.”

      There you go!

      Kevin

  • it makes so much sence and is such good value I am amazed they are haveing to forse every body to do the right thing LOL

  • Anyone else see that once Adobe has a sufficient number of subscribers they will start jacking up the monthly fees?

  • We are at Adobe’s mercy after we sign up, they can call whatever shots they want as it would be too expensive to turn back. I run a studio with about 17 cloud licenses and the only thing holding us back from leaving adobe is After Effects. There are decent enough alternatives to the rest of their software. I am thinking of writing something myself and this is the perfect opportunity as the market is ready for it right now!

    • lw,
      I work at Adobe, but it is my personal opinion that it is not in Adobe’s interest to raise the price beyond what creatives could afford. It is in Adobe’s interest to keep the price low to attract new customers to the Creative Cloud. These two things will keep the price affordable, I think.

      Best,
      Kevin

  • I.G. Romov on 05.9.13 @ 6:04PM

    Reasons? Piracy? How many pirated copies do you think really amount to a truly lost sale? That is, how many pirates are serious about the software and use it as part of their business operation? Business decision? Yes, partly forced by the-usual-stupid-I’m-from-the-government-and-I’m-here-to-h-e-l-p you (see Adobe post on some dumb act that screws companies who want to issue software updates). Yes, partly taking advantage of said stupidity to force a new business model on users. Cost effective? Only for certain situations. And apparently someone thinks CC is going to move folks “forward” from wherever they are, CS4, whatever. Doubt that; if the requirements and/or features don’t do it, CC pricing is still above the zero they are paying for the old version. Ditto for the seeming “magic” in CC to drop support of existing software; that’s already being done by policy. For me the deal breaker is twofold: no, sorry, I’m a basic incompetent who apparently can’t get enough work to pay for CC. So I buy, amortize, and upgrade until I can get competent and compete all the while slowly building a couple of projects that will see actual release. Yup, I’m slow. Second, I stop paying, software stops working, i.e. old projects sit without review opportunity which, at present, I can do with the investment model – great way to keep up the learning of new features while reinforcing the use of the old. Although I love the product suite and the integration, I apparently fall into a very minority class where Adobe’s business model is not a fit for my business model. The classic response to said mismatch is, of course, to find a new partner. And so, just as the government continues to dump unconscionable overhead with endless tax forms, rules, breaks, no breaks,,,,, I will now undertake equivalent overhead looking for said new partner.

  • I am looking to see Adobes Stock tumble. This is a bad move for them. They were rude to me at NAB insisting that I know nothing and should just get on the cloud. I have bought and paid for the software a few times now and consider that an investment. Screw Adobe . I still think the products rock but I will spend my money on the shareware

  • What about schools and educational site licenses? I know several school districts that do not currently allow “rental” purchases for academic departments. That would have to change. Would high school art, graphics and photography programs be negatively impacted? Will they be allowed to rent for ten months?
    Any ideas on this?

    • Hi Dan Harris,
      If you are responsible for academic licensing, essentially the academic license (our new EEA and ETLA programs) will be similar to the price you paid previously.

      If you do want to operate under our new EEA and ETLA programs and not Creative Cloud for Teams, you should contact educational volume licensing sales to give you a quote. It should match your past academic licensing price expectations.

      Kevin

  • On Location on 05.10.13 @ 1:15PM

    Hello AVID

  • Blame all this on camera manufactures putting HD filming options in every camera these days, thus turning everyone into a filmmaker, requiring new software. The biggest losers are the photographers who only take photos, now having to stump up more $ because Adobe is cashing in on the film making side of things.

  • I found this video which clears up Adobe’s business decision to move to CC only:
    http://bit.ly/UPrQco

  • You no longer have access to the money you threw at the software?

    And you guys are jerking adobe off saying this is fighting against piracy? Really? This is a bullshit move.
    If anything I think this would promote people to start hacking the versions they have on their system when they run out of money under the Cloud Subscription.

    I’m happy for all you “professionals” that can afford it yearly without fail. Some of us aren’t you – but screw us right?

  • The Adobe cloud has a lot of junk that I simply do not want, will never use, and the whistles and bell that make the program more and more complicated are not really needed. I want to stick with my licensed version but the idiots at Adobe have it so that ever time I open my program I get a pop-up that asks me to upgrade to the cloud nonsense….. good by Adobe.

  • I switched to CC from torrenting it haha, at $50 per month its not so bad it is just another fee like hosting or phones. A big problem is plugins… I have some plugins that I have paid a lot of money for but the wont work in CC and the upgrade fees to the plugins that do have compatible versions are crazy. I spose I can not say that I ever paid for Adobe products before but its going to be a major problem for people who want to stick with say this early 2013 AE CC but can not install it on new computers as the vendor has not update the plugins to work with 2014 AE CC

  • The Cloud? I want my freedom, and total control on the tools I use. I would never rent a knife or a typewriter. If something was so expensive I could not own it, I would only rent it for the time I would need it, down to the day, and only if there were no alternatives I could buy. Being forced to rent something I could own in the past is unacceptable. They believe they are such a monopoly that I depend on their tools? They believe they can force me into accepting this? They are mistaken. I will sacrifice as many features as it takes for something like this.

  • My family members every time say that I am wasting
    my time here at web, however I know I am getting familiarity all the time by reading such nice articles or
    reviews.

  • Very Good Website You Have Here But I Was Wondering If You Knew Of Any Forums That Cover The Same Topics Discussed In This Article? I’d Really Love To Be A Part Of Group Where I Can Get Feed-back From Other Knowledgeable Individuals That Share The Same Interest. If You Have Any Suggestions, Please Let Me Know. Thank You!

  • Not happening i will used old version or switch to competitor, Theres no way im paying for cloud. Industry creatives will convert to a more cost effective solution or create there own software. This will never be successful.