March 10, 2014

Panasonic Announces Price for the 4K GH4, & It's Lower than You Might Think (Kind Of)

Panasonic-GH4-4K-Front-No-Lens-616x407Last month, Panasonic gave us the news that we had all been hoping for, a 4K successor to the widely loved GH3, a brand new camera that is appropriately named the GH4, as well as a nifty interface unit that provides many of the features that serious filmmakers need. At the time, we knew the basic specs of the camera and that the body would come in at less than $2,000. However, the final retail price of both the camera and the interface were still largely unknown. Until now, that is. So, without any further ado, I am pleased to announce that a brand new GH4 body will cost you --

-- $1700. Plus it's now available for pre-order at B&H. That's the good news. The bad news, on the other hand, is that the interface unit (a must-have accessory for professional filmmakers) will set you back another $2000. The interface is also available for pre-order. However, if you decide to bundle both the GH4 body and the interface together, Panasonic knocks a few hundred off the total price, so you can snag the bundle for $3300.

Just in case anyone has missed out on the specs of this camera, or on the first footage that we've seen, I'll throw it all right down below.

First, here are the specs for the GH4:

  • 16.05 MP Digital Live MOS Sensor
  • DCI 4K 4096x2160 at 24p
  • UHD 4K 3840x2160 at 30p/24p
  • Full HD up to 60p
  • 3.0" 1,036k-Dot OLED Monitor
  • 2,359K-Dot OLED Live View Finder
  • Support for 59.94p, 23.98p, 50p, & 24p
  • 4:2:2 8-Bit or 10-Bit HDMI Output
  • High-Speed 49-Point Autofocus
  • Magnesium Alloy, Weather-Sealed Body

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And here are the additional features that you can pull out of the camera with the interface unit:

  • 2x Monaural XLR Inputs
  • Line/Mic Level Switch & Phantom Power
  • Audio Level Display Monitor
  • 2x 3G-SDI Capable BNC Connectors
  • 2x HD-SDI Capable BNC Connectors
  • Quad-Link SDI Output for 4:2:2/10-Bit 4K
  • HDMI Output
  • Timecode In
  • 12VDC 4-Pin XLR Power Input

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Here are some of the first videos that we've come across:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHKJ5eE7I1k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4nSGFcIN40

Honestly, this is right about where most of us were expecting the camera body to be priced, although it's safe to say that Panasonic could have priced the GH4 body right at $2000, and most of us would have still been pretty damn impressed with those features at that price point.

The real kicker is that interface unit is slightly more expensive than the camera itself. Personally, I was really hoping that unit would come in at less than $1000 (which still seems reasonable in my convoluted mind), but it's likely an expensive accessory to manufacture. Despite the high price of the interface unit, however, I have little doubt that it will still make its way into the hands of quite a few filmmakers, because the features that it adds to the GH4 are completely unmatched in this price range (maybe with the exception of the Digital Bolex).

Overall, the GH4 is one hell of a bargain at $1700, and it will no doubt become a favorite of low-budget filmmakers looking to shoot high-resolution images. The interface unit is less of a bargain, but it provides features that put the GH4 into another class entirely. With the bundle coming in at $3,300, the camera is right in the price range of the Blackmagic Production Camera 4K, but by all accounts, Panasonic seems to have a leg up in terms of features (unless you're looking for ProRes or RAW).

If you'd like to read more about the camera and see more footage, check out Joe's original post about the GH4. And if you're already convinced and ready to place your pre-order, head on over to B&H and git 'er done.

What do you guys think about the pricing of the GH4 and the interface unit? Let's hear your thoughts down in the comments!

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Well, I thought it was going to come in at a grand less for the package. I'll speculate then that, from a marketing perspective, they see nothing else out there that is going to compete with the GH4 bundle (BMPC4K needs a ton of accessories ... plus, the image is so-so) any time soon and will try to recoup their investment quickly. When GH3 came out a year and a half ago, it was priced at $1,700 and now it's selling at around $1,000. I wouldn't be surprised if Gh4 bundle see a substantial drop from $3,300 as well.
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Still, 4K with high FPS and decent DR for $3,300 is an awesome deal.

March 10, 2014 at 3:23AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

I understand your hyped up for this camera but stating "BMPC4K needs a ton of accessories … plus, the image is so-so" I'm sorry but the image is not as good as RAW 4K from the BMPC4k, your just kidding yourself if you believe that and as for accessories, all cameras need accessories, for the GH4 if you get the bundle you're getting the add on for an extra $1600. Plus the BMPC4K has way more benefits, it has a 35mm sensor for starters not the micro4/3, plus it has RAW and if you're not interested in RAW it also has Global Shutter which eliminates rolling shutter, that feature alone will save people loads of time and money. I know they are all tools, but don't knock the BMPC4K just because you're interested in the GH4.

March 10, 2014 at 8:28AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Shaun Fontaine

I'll quickly admit to not testing BMPC4K myself but, off the various first hand accounts, reviews and videos, the dynamic range without the very fast lenses is so-so and the IQ at anything above ISO 400 is far too noisy. That makes the unit a ... drum roll ... a production oriented camera, as its name states. The irony is that, in a controlled setting, there's not much need for global shutter - or super fast lenses, for that matter - unless you're whip-panning a ping-pong match from a foot away. As to accessories, what I meant was that GH4 looks ready to shoot out of the box like a typical photo camera. BMCC and BMPC4K usually require considerable accessories from the cage to audio connections, etc. Plus, it's not as user-friendly as it ought to be.
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That said, to those who are used to its quirks, BMPC4K is also a terrific buy with a slightly different - seemingly smoother - video than GH4. It remains to be seen whether a third party software like Film Convert can make these differences negligible or whether crisper look will become more in vogue anyway.

March 10, 2014 at 8:45AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

Can we keep in mind that the Blackmagic 4K camera is not 4K, its UltraHD. We were never allowed to call 1080p 2K and calling the Blackmagic camera 4K is EXACTLY the same as calling your 1080p cameras 2K cameras.

If Panasonic released the GH3 and called it a 2K camera when its 1080p nobody would have let that slide.

March 10, 2014 at 10:37AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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This is true.

March 10, 2014 at 11:27AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Brian

Can someone clarify whether you need the interface unit to do 4k-10-bit? And no global shutter on this one, correct?

Very tough call to choose between the GH4 and the Blackmagic 4k if they're in the same $3k price-range, but we're blessed to have such amazing cameras coming in at this price-point.

March 10, 2014 at 3:25AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Peter

You DO need the interface to record the 4k 10bit and NO this is not a global shutter, but does have improved rolling shutter.

March 10, 2014 at 3:35AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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ryan

Wrong. You don't *need* the YAGH for that.
As already with Firmware V0.3 you can get 4K 10bit 4:2:2

Also, the read out for the GH4 is *twice as fast* as the GH3, so this ought to slash in half the rolling shutter from the GH3. (so I expect the GH4 for instance will have far less rolling shutter than anything seen from Canon)

March 10, 2014 at 4:58AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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@David peterson dont know where you getting your info from, but it has been stated many times that you need the seperate dock to get 10 bit 4k, also you need an external recorder on top of the $2000 dock, do your research

This camera when all said it done will clock in at about $6k to get 10 bit 4k

March 10, 2014 at 8:44AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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JAYE

Apparently, Ilya Friedman - an early tester - is showing the GH4 with the 0.3 Firmware Update at the South by the Southwest Festival. This firmware update allows the internal 10-bit 4K recording. It is not the final release but presumably it is here to stay.

March 10, 2014 at 8:49AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

Oops ... my mistake .. not internal but direct ... with the reasonably priced external recorders to be named later.

March 10, 2014 at 8:51AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

The camera can do 4k 8bit internally but that is unacceptable for professional filming.

It does not have global shutter but improved functions and one thing i think people are forgetting is that lowlight in this camera will another good thing.

Sadly this camera will also requre an external recording monitor and the cheapest recorder to date that can do 4k is the odessy @$2,200.

So basically one will have to spend $3300 (camera /doc) and ( $2200) for external recorder and another $500-600 for media storage, You will be spending close to $6k to proper 10bit 4k at this price its not all that attractive , not bad but for another $3k one could get a fs700 that can do 4k up to 60fps 10 bit and 240fps at 2k raw 12 bit

March 10, 2014 at 5:35AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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JAYE

You need external recorder for fs700 as well

March 10, 2014 at 6:18AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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k

Yes you need an external for the fs700 but what would you prefer a micro 4/3rd camera that is limted to just 10 bit 4k up to 24fps and 1080p up to 60fps, or a sony fs700 lowlight super 35mm monster that shoots 4k up to 60fps 10 bit, 240fps internally and 2k 240 externally, and various flavors of uncompressed 1080p formats for just 3 more grand.

March 10, 2014 at 8:49AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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JAYE

its great that we've gotten to a point that the actual look of a camera doesn't matter whatsoever, just spec comparisons.

March 10, 2014 at 12:33PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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ryan

Right, and for under 3,000 the BlackMagic gives you 10-bit 4K already, and in ProRes. Not to mention RAW. My guess is any professional filmmaker who is looking for 4K and flexibility in post (not in terms of file size...) will opt for the BlackMagic.

I know you can get 10-bit from GH4, but not internally.

Either way both great cameras for different people, and it's exciting that all these companies are always trying to out-do each other and as a result we get amazing cameras for low prices. Good time to be a filmmaker. No more excuses!

March 10, 2014 at 8:41AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Jorge Soto

You forgot about the external batery needed to power the YAGH unit. That thing is not self powered.

March 10, 2014 at 1:34PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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If you read the press release carefully you'll notice that it states that the GH4 will output 8 bit 4:2:2 via the camera's micro-HDMI connection to a monitor/recorder while simultaneously recording an 8-bit 4:2:0 version to the internal SD card. It will also output 10-bit 4:2:2 via the camera's micro-HDMI connection to a monitor/recorder, but you then lose the ability to record to the internal SD card.

Why the $2,000 "interface unit" doesn't function as a recorder with an SSD port simply makes no sense to me. At all.

March 10, 2014 at 6:27PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tyler

The only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger is a lack of way to adapt my Canon lenses. This would be a great b-camera for my C100 during interviews, the capability to punch in from a wide with the 4K resolution would be great, but I don't really want to buy extra lenses that only fit this camera.

March 10, 2014 at 3:26AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Paul H

You can buy a Canon-Macro 4/3 lens adapter for like $20

March 10, 2014 at 4:38AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Poo-Ping-Soon

Can you not just use a Canon to Micro 4/3 adapter? Or if you want to splurge a little, this option form RedRock: http://store.redrockmicro.com/livelensmft ?

March 10, 2014 at 4:41AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Logan

Micro Four Thirds system is in my opinion the best system to buy your bodies for, as thanks to the mirrorless design you can adapt almost ANY lens ever made to it!

You can even use focal reducers with, to make your lenses a stop faster (or more!! You can get crazy f/0.7 lenses with your BMPCC) and wider too!

Personally I buy mostly Nikon F mount lenses for my Micro Four Thirds cameras (which I use professionally), as they give by far the most versatile for the future when choosing a mount for lenses.

Micro Four Thirds bodies + Nikon F mount lenses = match made in heaven for max performance and investment!

Though of course you can use your Canon lenses too.

March 10, 2014 at 5:01AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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You can adapt any lenses to the gh4's m4/3 mount. In you case for the canon you can use a simple EF - M4/3 adapter. BTW I'm a gh2 user.

March 10, 2014 at 5:18AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Sudharsun

Most of you replying forget that you're still going to need a spearate Canon body to change the aperture with those cheapo adapters. I think the original poster is looking for a solution that can change aperture and possibly support image stabilization on IS lenses. Maybe even audtofocus.

March 10, 2014 at 1:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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The RedRock I linked to allows you to do that without another body, if I'm not mistaken. http://store.redrockmicro.com/livelensmft

March 10, 2014 at 2:51PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Logan

Yeah that was my concern. I saw you can buy cheap adapters but I would like something that I can at least control exposure with.

March 10, 2014 at 7:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Paul H

You realize the BM4K comes in EF mount only?

March 10, 2014 at 4:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Charlie

True, but the battery doesn't last very long, and for an hour or two hour long interview the black magic won't do me any good. On top of that, it's quite bulky and adding a battery solution is not great for travel.

March 10, 2014 at 7:41PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Paul H

I really perceive the whites blown up! Except the first video, It's a very good production. But I was checking in Vimeo and it's a very digital look and the whites, when you have 100%, are lost. Yes, the price it's very good. But It's not better than 5D RAW. Maybe it's a camera for weddings and it's good!

March 10, 2014 at 3:28AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Javier Mollo

Please stop it with the "ditial look" BS, you people kill me with this BS, 10 bit shot correctly is more than adequate enough to produce a nice film look in post

March 10, 2014 at 8:51AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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JAYE

The "film look" you speak of is why studios shoot on an Alexa. It's why you can spot a show shot on a dslr instantly. Sorry kid but 4k does not mean anything in terms of actual production value and 10 bit with thousands worth of accessories is not only clunky but will be outdated before the year's end. The major selling point of the add on unit is audio functionality, which, if your recording audio separately isn't an issue anyway.

March 10, 2014 at 4:27PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Alex

Alexa looks pasty and is overrated., its obviously very good but there are a lot of good cameras about. The reason its in the studios is its Arri. A lot of film pros were faced with having to change to digital and they turned to a name they knew well.

March 10, 2014 at 6:29PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Yes, there had to be someone saying the 5D is better.

Death, taxes, someone will say the 5D is better.

March 10, 2014 at 9:03PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Enjoying some G...

I wish I liked the images from this camera as much as I like the price...

March 10, 2014 at 3:31AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Jerome

The color science is probably my biggest concern. If you're going for a filmic look, the BMPC4K looks a lot closer to that aesthetic, where as this one looks extremely digital, at least based on the footage that's out there. Gorgeous, but ya, it might make more sense for weddings/nature photography than filmmakers.

March 10, 2014 at 3:33AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Peter

It does have the capability to extend the DR. FWIW, most of the BMD4K footage I have seen exhibits a fairly poor dynamic range and it is definitely more of a indoor type of a camera where the variables are within the DP's control. That Hungarian bird video looked considerably livelier than that. We'll see soon, I reckon, how it looks graded and "film converted". GH4 still shots - and let's not forget that this is also a darn good stills camera - looked very nice.

March 10, 2014 at 3:42AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

FWIW you need to look harder at the latest BM4K footage. :-)
I'm sure the GH4 will look just fine. Panny always has that slightly 'hard' look anyway.
As the guy above said, perfect for event shooting.

March 10, 2014 at 3:45PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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marklondon

It's important to be aware that the filmmaker of the Yucatan video has written that he used the "Standard" profile to make that video. That means that the video is not a full indication of the ultimate potential of the camera with other color profiles, gamma adjustments, etc.

March 10, 2014 at 12:12PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Shenan

Hey, let's quit calling the BM4K a pocket camera. Dam big pockets. :0)

March 10, 2014 at 9:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Enjoying some G...

Its important to note that this camera can output 1080p 10bit/422 directly from camera without the interface via HDMI, which is a big feature for me. You will still need a recorder to be able to take advantage of the interface and 10bit output directly from camera, but my plan for now is to pair the Gh4 WITH OUT the interface and record to the new Atomos Ninja Blade, a true 10bit/422 signal is all I need for my clients.

March 10, 2014 at 3:33AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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ryan

It is better than that!
"4K 10-bit 4:2:2 is an option to output directly from camera body HDMI (at least in Firmware V0.3) "
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?320815-Secret-Appearance-of-the...

March 10, 2014 at 5:03AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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That is great news indeed!

March 10, 2014 at 8:33AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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thecouchguy

Or you can downsample the 4K 4:2:0 to get 1080p 4:4:4 in post. Which IMO would be the better route to go, then you still have a native 4K negative you can go back to in the future if needed..

March 10, 2014 at 1:42PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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That is delicious. I'll toast to it!

March 10, 2014 at 9:07PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Enjoying some G...

That's the combo I'm looking at as well. GH4+Blade.

March 10, 2014 at 2:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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From my view:
1. The price is good for the body, good for people who want a camera with a good quality video and able to record 10bit 1080p via hdmi. Don't forget you need spend extra to buy recorder that able to record 10bit 1080p.
Conclusion: GREAT deal for user to shoot 10bit 1080p for sure, no / not much competitive camera now for 10bit 1080p.
2. The price for user want to record in 4k is wise/depend again. You not only need to spend on camera+interface unit allow you record 4k but you need to buy a good recorder that allow you to record 4k, now i only think of odyssey 7Q able to do that. So the total price for able to record 4k will be??? don't forget SSD for recorder too. Will be at least $7000+ if im not mistaken.
Conclusion: For record 4k still depend on user need, the price is still good but dependable. If you need full manual focus with follow focus, you must buy a rig that can attach the pole on top of the camera, cause the interface is quite thick which may not able to let you attach focus at bottom pole. So in 4k, there are many competitive camera out there in this price range or even higher a bit which allow record more fps or raw in higher bit.

So from my own personal view, record 10bit 1080p this is the best camera in this price range you can think of now. For 4k still depend on what you need. Wait to see more testing in quality and especially low light performance as well.

March 10, 2014 at 3:47AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Alan

You don't *need* the YAGH....
“4K 10-bit 4:2:2 is an option to output directly from camera body HDMI (at least in Firmware V0.3) ”
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?320815-Secret-Appearance-of-the...

The Panasonic GH4 body by itself is unmatched in terms of price not just for 1080, but for 4K too!

March 10, 2014 at 5:05AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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And just wait for NAB, I bet we'll see many more 4K recorders on the market! Cheaper too.
Plus of course the Panasonic GH4 can record 4K internally too.

March 10, 2014 at 5:06AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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4K recorders at NAB would be so nice, especially if they have a big view screen. Just wish this GH4K had a fat flow from an SDI.

March 10, 2014 at 9:11PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Enjoying some G...

ah, meaning from the body

March 10, 2014 at 9:58PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Enjoying some G...

I'm not sure it is able to record 4k 10bit 1080p via hdmi and internally can record 4k, because those spec never write about this if im not mistaken, and outside there of course heard a lot different saying about the spec but anwyway will wait official announce from panasonic themselves at NAB. Still never see a recorder can record 4k 10bit via hdmi, and doubt will there be what limitation too.

March 10, 2014 at 6:02AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Alan

Check the link above. It does 4k 10bit 1080p via hdmi, as of Firmware V0.3

March 10, 2014 at 6:48AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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No professional on the face of this earth will opt to not use 10 bit 4k vs 8bit , especially with banding , compression, and artifacts that come with heavy compression, not to mention that the MBPS is already low at 200 mbps.

You will need an external recorder for 10 bit there is no way around that and you will also need a external recorder. Unless Black magic comes out with an update or new shuttle deck that does 4k for under $500, this camera is going to be quite a nice investment to pull out proper 4k

March 10, 2014 at 8:57AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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JAYE

And this is why it's 4K at 100 Mbps and 2K is at 200. If they went internal 4K at ~ 240 - which is Sony Z 100 specs - not many would buy the attachment unit and that's where the money is for the company. And it's very unfortunate they chose to do this crippling.
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BTW, as discussed by the Atomos president Jeremy Young a couple of weeks at the BVE London, Atomos will absolutely positively not make an external 4K recorder unless there are 4K cameras out there. Or, as it seems to me, he just wanted to sell the Blade for right now. Once 4K cams begin rolling out in late spring, Atomos will be there.

March 10, 2014 at 2:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

I agree. Why would they build a camera that needs an interface unit to get decent 4k material? There's gonna be a pretty big gap between the varicam and the gh4. Maybe the af200 will give some of us what we need for a decent price. I can see something under $8000 announced at NAB this year. I'd be surprised if there wasn't.

March 10, 2014 at 3:22PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Anthony Marino

I wouldn't be surprised if, somewhere down the road when the competition in this market niche heats up, GH4 had a firmware upgrade to increase its internal 4K recording to the 200-230 Mbps range. Meanwhile, they can rake it in with the YAGH. Lose money on the body and make it back with the accessories.
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PS. Ibelux announced its MFT 40 mm F/.85 lens price to be €1700.

March 10, 2014 at 6:02PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

Some third party will make something for it. No worries.

March 10, 2014 at 3:48AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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moebius22

This is still cheaper than the 5D3 was at launch with the interface included! When Canon put 4K in a DSLR they charged you $15K for it!

Well done Panasonic!

March 10, 2014 at 3:56AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Atomos. Your move.

March 10, 2014 at 4:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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VinceGortho

I'm thinking same re Canon.

March 10, 2014 at 6:07AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Saied

I hear Atomos may be bringing a 4K HDMI recorder to NAB. I hope Blackmagic Design is doing similar.

As for Canon.... Don't hold your breath with Canon! ha, they've done nothing revolutionary aside from the 5DmkII that was pretty much by accident.

http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/5183-canon-say-we-need-to-respond-to...

"Imagine the profit they get from a puny c300, that thing has an asp-c crop sensor, they say "canon digic III" processor and unrestricted codecs, nothing exotic like full hd at 200 fps, cpu on that thing is slow, all of that for 14000 $ :lol:, t2i sensor with proper processing and video camera features at 14000$, funny shit."

"Black Magic Design appears to be young and brash. Panasonic seems to be eager to please. Canon, they just look greedy and condescending. It sends the message that they are trying to milk us, think they know what's better for us, don't think we're smart enough to see the handicapping they are doing to their own products, or just don't care enough about the this niche market. "

March 10, 2014 at 6:53AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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There's supposed to be a company making an announcement soon that they can reconfigure your canon dslr to shoot higher quality video. You have to send it to them. thw cost is going to be $1000

March 11, 2014 at 2:10AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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VinceGortho

With 4K 10bit 4:2:2 out of the GH4's HDMI, I reckon many of us won't be needing the brick / YAGH (or at least not at that price! :-o ).

So when you view it just at its body only price of $1,700 that is quite an amazing deal! (now... which body part do I sell to fund this?)

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?320815-Secret-Appearance-of-the...

March 10, 2014 at 4:55AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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The body price is amazing for what it can do, the YAGH (what a name for crying out loud!) on the other hand seems to be quite expensive. If 4k, 10bit 422 is possible internally is possible what is the yagh for again? Oversized XLR adapter, mini HDMI to HDMI converter and what else?

March 10, 2014 at 5:14AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Raul

Also, when was that NFS site update with correctable comment threads coming out again?

March 10, 2014 at 5:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Raul

No, not internally. But the GH4's HDMI provides that.
The YAGH is still worthwhile for professionals for the other various external connectors that it provides.

March 10, 2014 at 5:27AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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I can see its usefulness but it still melts down to be no more then a very large adapter you can do without if you record onto an external recorder (which you'd need even if you had the YAGH) and record your audio externally... for 2k?

March 10, 2014 at 8:29AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Raul

it is so expensive . also bundle pack is about 2000 $ :(
8bit is very bad while 5d MKIII+ML are Present 14 bit And hi dynamic range .
i like the camera's that are good in these below Feature's:
- hi bit depth
- very good dynamic range
- Can Record Raw
- can record Hi speed Frame Rate in 1080 p res more than 100 fps
- XLR Audio
- Large Sensor Size
- Wireless Output for mobile and ... controli
- HDMI input And Output
- Stable record in long time
,....:)

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Well looking at your desired specs I am not sure if the Alexa ticks all those boxes therefore the camera you are looking for may not exist yet, especially if you want all that for under 2k...

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The Sony F5 with the R5 recorder ticks all those and more (16bitRAW, 240fps, great viewfinder which is often overlooked when people assess cameras) except the HDMI input. I cant think of a camera with HDMI in.

March 10, 2014 at 8:47AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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To get all those features, you're most likely spending at least 5k regardless of camera body.

March 10, 2014 at 8:44AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Pat

5k? Would you care suggesting on what or braking that down, or maybe expand on what you mean with 'regardless the camera body'?

March 10, 2014 at 10:35AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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I never seen all the features in one camera . below 5k
5d mkIII + ml allow 14 bit and good dynamic range . but this feature doesn't stable . sensor are warm and can stop over recording .
black magic are good but the quality of LCD monitor is very bad on brightness location . and much problem of handheld the camera .
red epic is very expensive and have more expensive additional pack for red . :( also Arri Alexa

the Panasonic Gh4 is not good for this time .
Raw Recording video is very good reason for choose the camera in 2014 or later years . :)

March 10, 2014 at 5:56PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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hoseiN

Love the specs but I don't love the image yet. Seems like a good cam for Doc work but narrative it has far too much of a clinical feel. I like the Black Magic image better but the ergonomics on that camera are terrible.

March 10, 2014 at 5:51AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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$1,700 for the body isn't bad, even though the 2.3x crop factor at 4k is a bit disappointing. Also, is there anyone dumb enough to spend $2,000 on that interface? Laughable. Anyone doing a serious project is going to do dual-system anyway. For $2k you could put together a whole field recording setup, OR invest in a serious lens or two, OR put that money right back in your pocket!

March 10, 2014 at 6:30AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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A complete 4K camera package for $3300 is decent considering it offers timecode, a decent codec, 422, SDI and Phantom XLRs.
I'm an AF100 owner and despite all the trash-talk the camera gets, I still appreciate that it has the essentials of a video camera. On my last shoot, the sound guy couldn't make it, and with the XLR inputs on-camera, we survived using lavalier mics. Having that functionality in the camera setup is great.

This bundle is basically the "AF200". Throw in the Speedbooster and crop isn't an issue. The best thing about this setup is that it's modular. I'll probably buy the camera new and the interface used.

March 10, 2014 at 7:57AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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I'm putting my pre-order in today. My plan is to buy the $1.7K body and use it as an everyday camera.

I'll rent the $2K brick and a $3K recorder if I ever decide I want to shoot 4K DCI-compliant narrative.

My guess is that this will be a lot cheaper than renting an EPIC or a Panasonic VariCam 35 :)

March 10, 2014 at 7:16AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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the spec sheet is impressive (as is the price). I'd rather have this "combo" than the BMPC just on the form factor alone... I could shoot with just the GH4 body pretty much everywhere without "hassle" and still have the opportunity to transform it into a great "studio" camera just by attaching the interface (even though I hate it's form factor, in fact I think it looks ridiculous.

the major problem that I have with it is the footage that I've seen so far looks so much "SONY" and is not cinematic at all... It could be due to the 4k / 8bit codec or just an aestethic option from the DP but for me it's just not working... BMPCC and Digital Bolex look great; This one does not.

Guess I'll have to wait and see...

March 10, 2014 at 7:20AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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For all the people that are complaining about the "look" of the videos published thus far; they are just that...LOOKS. These are - most likely - the stylistic choices by Panasonic approved DPs to highlight the sharpness and clarity of the image. It goes without saying that the right hands will render remarkable scenes with this camera.

Besides that, forget the interface for now, rent if necessary. Then remind yourself that you live in the golden age of imaging technology. The creative potential afforded by those specs at <$2000 is absolutely awesome.

March 10, 2014 at 8:45AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Just a very few short years ago this image quality at $3300.00 would have been to die for. Today there's people wanting to stick their finger down their throat to induce hurl over the price this camera+interface because they think there's so much better elsewhere to choose from.

March 10, 2014 at 11:24PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Dynamic Range of this camera anyone?

March 10, 2014 at 8:54AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Between the 4/3rd's sensor and more-money-than-the-camera-itself "interface unit", I don't see this as a terribly interesting option. Plus, how're you going to build it up with 15mm rails etc. with that configuration? The HD-SDI is nice tho, HDMI is horrendous and has no place around the camera; fragile and counter productive.

March 10, 2014 at 9:01AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Agent55

[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3To-uRn8ug ] - a week old video on the camera from the WPPI (Wedding Photographers Association) in Vegas.

March 10, 2014 at 9:12AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

Glad they have the YAGH unit as an option... although, in my opinion, the form factor couldn't be worse, especially when that huge thing requires external power to function.

Still, I'm impressed with all they packed into the GH4's tiny body and ridiculously low price tag.

March 10, 2014 at 9:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFMsrBi0nD0 ] - uploaded in 1080p only but shot and graded to emulate film/film narrative, at least, according to the operator. Does this look "filmic" enough to the NFS cognoscenti?

March 10, 2014 at 9:32AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

Has the potential to look filmic, but I think the DP did a bad job on lighting it. The light sources are too hot and sharp with no chances of a smooth roll of. My first impression did not give me the film look.

March 10, 2014 at 10:34AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Jorge Cayon

No.

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Well, if a "gentle roll-off" is quantifiable, then it's programmable. Then add a filter and a film emulation software of choice and you're basically there. GH4 does have the "cine" feature, which lets you adjust the highlights and the shadows simultaneously. Below is the quick demo of that feature on GX7.
[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW--jBCCxus ]

March 11, 2014 at 11:12AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

A firmware update that allows Raw and ProRes, then it is a killer package. Until then it is a nice update but a kill package, no.

March 10, 2014 at 9:42AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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So far no one has talked about the sound. How is the pre-amp? Do the XLR inputs make a difference? Will I still need to use my Zoom H6?

March 10, 2014 at 10:04AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Red Dragon looks waaaaaaay better

March 10, 2014 at 11:22AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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At 3,300 this looks really great. Especially the high frame rates bundled in as well. It makes sense that there would be a separate unit for more professional features. It allows the to cover a wider market range while still keeping the pros on board.

This gets me really excited for what we will see at NAB this year. I've been holding out for a few years now on purchasing a new camera, but it's looking like its about time to pull the trigger. Really interested in what Canon will announce with the C lineup.

March 10, 2014 at 12:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Phil

Sorry didn't mean for my comment to be added to this thread!

March 10, 2014 at 12:07PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Phil

It cost waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more.

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how am i gonna put this on a rig...

March 10, 2014 at 12:13PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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People: ask yourselves why Panny have outed this now, a month ahead of NAB? They felt they had to get out ahead for good reason.
Patience.
If you're a current M43 user this is a no brainer.
If not, just wait......

March 10, 2014 at 12:29PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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marklondon

You know there are more low cost 4K cameras to be announced at NAB?

March 11, 2014 at 6:50AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Gene

I'll be looking to get a deal on a couple more of GH3's as soon as they are sold finance GH4 purchases.

March 10, 2014 at 12:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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I'm not sure why you guys have to be so desperate about its spec. What I see is another good camera with a really good price point. Micro 43? Just get a Metabone Speed Booster.
About the camera itself, please spare some time to watch Upstream Color, which was successfully filmed with the GH2.

March 10, 2014 at 1:21PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Long Nguyen

It might have been filmed with a GH2, but they spend more money on the post-production (grading, etc) than any typical GH2 user will ever spend on their project

March 10, 2014 at 5:13PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Actually there wasn't much grading done in Upstream Color. In fact, many shots (and complete scenes!) were left untouched. The GH2 shines by itself.
Towards that point please check the Spanish movie "Musgo", then. Directed and DP'd by Gami Orbegoso, he really made the GH2 shine and the trailer was one of the reasons I bought the camera back in the beginnings of 2012. You may or may not like the movie, but there's no expensive post-production here either and the results are stunning nonetheless.

Here's the trailer in case you haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLF4BcqPyTk

March 10, 2014 at 9:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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"The GH2 shines by itself."
LOL please. You're gonna have to give me a source/link to somewhere or someone saying that there was minimal post-production involved. All features that use DSLR/consumer cameras heavily (tiny furniture, act of valor, etc) have heavy post pipelines to clean up and denoise that nasty 8 bit footage

March 12, 2014 at 6:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Really? I must be doing something wrong, I've shot GH-1 (50Mbps) for broadcast environment and the pictures look better that some people manage to to get with 10bit 422.
This cooking show pilot shot in India, with a crew of just one- http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gXcFHkk-AZk
And this music video (work in progress) I'm really happy with so far, I'm not even going to do a grade.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a3J36A3MJmc

March 14, 2014 at 2:44AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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BernieZ

Wow, I never knew Upstream Colour as shot on a GH2! I remember being blown away by the visuals and had assumed it had been shot on Alexa.

Very impressive. Thanks for the tip off.

March 10, 2014 at 5:57PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Ben Howling

Dang! just bought my GH3 last month! Oh well, I'm a beginner really so I best cut my teeth on the GH3 before dipping my toes into the 4K world - which involves a different workflow?
On the plus side, I love my GH3 & with a 25mm prime I'm getting used to the technicalities. Love this site and the incredible generosity of the participants - thanks guys and gals!

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Nazki

Man, keep the GH-3 even if you go for the GH-4.
Technology devalues so quickly get the '4 when you think you have a job for it. That way from now on every camera will pay for itself.
I still have the original Sony VX1000, 2 Panasonic DX100s, 1 EX-3, 2 GH-1s a Panasonic AF100 and a GH-3. All the micro 4/3rds cameras and EX-3 still get used as I sometimes shoot multicam.
For chasing dogs (action doco's) you still can't beat a broadcast lens so the EX-3 gets a run when shooting hang gliders for instance.
I've never regretted keeping any of those cameras.

March 14, 2014 at 3:01AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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BernieZ

Looks great - I'll get one. 'Film look' - more reliant on me than the camera. 'Too expensive' - It's ridiculously cheap (as are its main competitors - amazing). 'Crop factor' - I've got loads of M43 glass and other legacy lenses. It's not difficult to cover everything you'd ever need, for cheap, with a little time on Ebay.

Honestly - buy one, make something awesome. Or buy a GH2 for peanuts, and two decent lenses - and make something awesome and super-cheap. All of this kit is more than capable, and it's not the cameras that are at fault for footage that doesn't have the right 'look'. Personally, this is amazing - I've still got a PD150 somewhere, and that cost more than this!

March 10, 2014 at 2:11PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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" I’ve got loads of M43 glass and other legacy lenses" - then yes, for you this is a total no-brainer. Buy it, be happy.
For those of us with other glass, or have 20+ years in on different sensor sizes, not so much.

Its STILL tempting, but for us who want/need RAW, have $5k+ in Canon/PL glass, and want S35 sensor size there's going to be a decent 4K product sub $5k for us within 12 months. You could argue it exists now (but I won't).

Can I just say, I HATE using adapters. The only one I've liked was the Hot Rod PLs on the 7D/AF100 and even that was a hassle.
Having tried out the Metabones on a couple of different cameras, its fine if you have no other choice.
I'd prefer another choice.

March 10, 2014 at 3:42PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Mark, I always notice you talking about "such and such camera is coming" in various NFS comment sections. Why not just tell us and do away with the secrecy and mystery? You know a lot of on here a very budget conscious filmmakers, and to many of us, a dollar has to go a long way, especially when it comes to what camera we invest in. Please do us all a favour and just let us in for once on what you know, other than telling us, yet again, that some camera is going to come that will most likely make us wish our hard earned cash was spent on it, as opposed to another camera system.

March 10, 2014 at 9:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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I honestly have no idea why adapters are such a pain (there are very specific cases, but not in general).
Any lens can be adapted onto M43, and with the addition of a Speed Booster (or even a Lens Turbo) you broaden your options.
If you have cinema lenses, there's only the crop factor to worry about (where you still have plenty of options, we're talking only 1.5x crop over Super 35mm, which should be the standard when talking cinema, no 2x factor), and if you only have Canon photo lenses, well... Sorry to hear that, 'cause focusing on them is a royal pain in the ass. There are many better (and even cheaper) options in regards to shooting moving images, and I love focusing on my set of Minolta MD lenses.

Plus (and I don't know why this isn't brought up more often) I love that with M43 I can go with bigger apertures without worring so much about uncontrollable depth of field. There are several rebuttals to this statement, sure, but being able to go full open winning that much light without worrying about having too shallow a depth of field is great for me.

March 10, 2014 at 9:49PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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I'm no engineer, but I'm curious... if 4K 10bit 422 can be pull thru the HDMI interface thru the YAGH unit, could another (future) recorder potentially pull the same specs into a recorder? Do you HAVE to have the 4 3G-HDSDI ports to get this signal?

March 10, 2014 at 2:42PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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I talked with Convergent Design and although they currently don't support the newest HDMI port (I'm assuming its 2.0) for their Odyssey 7Q 4k recorder/monitor they are looking into it for newer models. This would essentially allow the bypassing of the YAHG unit. They trouble is, of course, the flimsy (non industry standard) HDMI port. However, I see the short cable run from the camera to the 7Q as being pretty reliable if secured properly. Something fun to look forward to... hopefully.

March 10, 2014 at 4:03PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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The GH4/YAGH can deliver 1080-60p 422-10bit out the HDMI connector.

The Atomos Ninja can record 1080-30p 422-10bit via its HDMI input.

June 10, 2014 at 7:59PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Dan

Just curious. When the camera was first announced there were various sources reporting a variable 96fps capability (whether 1080 or 720 I don't know). Is this not the case now?

March 10, 2014 at 4:10PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Yes, it will still shoot 96fps at FullHD, 1080 4:2:0 8-bit.

March 10, 2014 at 4:27PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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SOLD

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Thanks for the answer, Seth. It seems that most press releases are skipping over that spec and simply listing full HD at 60p. But maybe I'm just blind.

March 11, 2014 at 2:59PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Eric

Sorry, but I have to bring this up... Specs aside... Who the hell designed the interface adaptor, they look like they both came from different time zones and were unwillingly forced together!

That a hidious piece of industrial design!

Why didn't they just make a camera that didn't have to use the DSLR form if this was their design solution to add on the I/O's

I think I just pulked in my mouth.

March 10, 2014 at 4:21PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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You are spot on. Not only does it look hideous, but the size and shape look like a potential hindrance to all kinds of mounting options.

If they'd made the interface adapter a sexy looking piece that kept the same footprint of the GH4 (just make it taller) and added a flip-out LCD screen showed waveforms, histograms, etc. (which wouldn't add *that* much to the cost to manufacture) then I think people would want this adapter and much more easily justify it's enormous price-- and the profit margin would still be huge compared to what Panasonic makes on the GH4K camera.

March 10, 2014 at 4:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tyler

Look on the bright side, at least now a client wont say to you "oh, I have one of those at home". At the very least it looks more professional than a straight DSLR while adding functionality.

March 10, 2014 at 6:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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I imagine even with the YAGH adapter the GH4 is still smaller than the 1DC which is used in all sorts of rigging situations so I doubt it will be much of an issue.

March 10, 2014 at 8:55PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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AdRath

So many people wanted XLR inputs, making so many complaints that cameras didn't have it. This unit has XLR's but still people are not happy.

March 11, 2014 at 6:58AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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I think the interface was designed in the 80s. It might have looked avant garde for that time.

March 10, 2014 at 9:36PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Most GH users like the GH because it is small and they just need one small bag to carry all the gear needed to shot photo/video. 4K video with complete buzzers and bells is not desired by most of them. The extent of 4K the body can do without the interface unit is all they want or need---for now.

But there are also the GH users that have been waiting for GH video quality in 4K that does have all the buzzers and bells. The interface unit is for them. Panasonic knew they couldn't make the GH body bigger for fear they would lose the first group of users. I don't think most that have been waiting for GH 4k video will care about how the interface unit looks as long as they get the GH video look in 4K. The unit will not be seen in the videos they make. Only the shooter sees it.

It could be that Panasonic went with that design for the unit because it was the cheapest instead of some 007 looking unit that would have cost more to manufacture. In 2014 it looks like it's all about 4K at the lowest price. It's standing room only at the top.

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Also just found out from a reliable source that the GH4 will ship into Samy's warehouse first, followed by B&H 2-3 days later. Not interested in paying sales tax for Samy's, however.

March 10, 2014 at 4:24PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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late April ship date

March 10, 2014 at 4:25PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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My thoughts in comments? This price was announced 2 days ago. What took you so long to get it on here???

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Enjoying some G...

To be able to work with my GH1/2/3, while replacing my HVX200 + Letus, I had to buy a AF100 for 2 reasons:
1 - Not having the client to worry about the size of my camera. Here in Shanghai, we might be only 2 cameraman using Panasonic Lumix, everyone else following the established HD DSLR Manistream (5D).
2 - For its flexibility as it works very well for documentary: thanks to its 2 XLR input AND internal ND filter.
I love the GH series, I did lots of work with it. You can check it here: http://vimeo.com/channels/659428/videos. And I am going to invest in the GH4, but I will still miss the flexibility of Internal ND filter. Compare to 5D or other bigger gear, the great advantage of GHs is their compactness,due to their electronic viewfinder and articulated screen (no need to plug a monitor and extra batteries on a 1 man job).Too bad that in changing light situation, I will have to play around with external ND filters to control my exposure and depth of field. Panasonic got that feature in their compact LX7 if I am right. They could implement it on the GH4. As is, it is not going to be as flexible as my AF100 on documentary job, and I would like to see a real video camera form factor based on the GH4 technology for 3300 USD.

March 11, 2014 at 6:13AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Franc Sanka

This price really was announced by Texas Media on Saturday, one day before Adorama, and B&H.

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FWIW - there was a Photography Show in the UK (London?) the first week of March. Both GH4 and BMPC4K were exhibited there. According to the DP Review, Panasonic was showing (off) the GH4 footage on their 4K big screens and the image was "stunning". There were also a bunch of new, video oriented MFT lenses on display, from Kowa, Tokina (those are pricey) and others.
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PS. @Johnny. One can get general info on new releases from the manufacturer reps, retailers or various rumor sites. They're usually in the ballpark but, gazing into the crystal ball is never an exact science. For example, the GH4 info has been around since October and mostly proved accurate. The miss was on the bitrate - rumored to be 200 Mbps for 4K rather than only for 2K - and the YAGH attachment and its price. How you will base your decisions based on general rumors is up to you. especially keeping in mind that there are first rumors, then official announcements, then the final product and, finally, the wide availability of such product. And there's often a long gap between the rumor of a camera and its presence on the store shelf. Meanwhile someone somewhere else releases something else entirely and an item that you have been waiting for breathlessly is no longer the cat's meow but more like a candidate for the kitty litter.

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DLD

BM4K, no PC in that one

March 11, 2014 at 10:23AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Gene

Johnny Behiri referred to it as Black Magic Production Camera 4K or BMPC4K. And that moniker made sense to me.

March 11, 2014 at 11:04AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

I agree with your take that the GH4's dock should be priced closer to $1,000. I can virtually guarantee that it doesn't cost as much to manufacture the dock as it does to build the GH4. However, video and film professionals, who are the only ones who really need the dock, will most likely buy it at $2,000. Pricing it at $2,000 also gives Panasonic some wiggle room if one of its competitors announces a cheaper 4K solution at NAB or in the next few month.

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YAGH probably costs around $200 to manufacture, so even if Panasonic sells one attachment for every five cameras, it'll contribute quite nicely to the bottom line because the camera itself should be a huge success.

March 12, 2014 at 1:28AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

Will dump the financials on the camera market here - from Bloomberg :
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"Annual sales of (Nikon) compact digital cameras will fall 33 percent from a year earlier to 11.5 million units, while those of the SLR variety will slump 14 percent to 6 million, Nikon forecasts... Canon Inc., the world’s largest camera maker, missed estimates for annual net income in January when it forecast 240 billion yen, compared with a 267 billion yen average of 22 analysts compiled by Bloomberg ... Global mobile phone shipments increased 5 percent last year to 1.7 billion, led by Samsung’s 451.7 million, “The low-cost digital camera market is shrinking rapidly as smartphones can cover that segment,” Bank of America Merrill Lynch’s Ueda said. “The profit margins in the imaging business are quite high, leaving sufficient room to endure a squeeze.”
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-11/iphone-taking-nikon-share-maske...

March 12, 2014 at 2:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

This looks like a great Documentary camera. I'm seriously looking into this. But I do have a strong implementation with the BlackMagic cameras as show in my Demo Reel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBnIMYy_cy4

Only 2 cameras were used here, can you tell what was shot with a T3i or Black Magic? Would getting a GH4 improve or give me an advantage with the videos I used in my demoreel?

March 12, 2014 at 5:16PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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There's a new GH4 preview on YouTube comparing it with BMPC4K. The tester's opinion was that the GH4 footage looked better in 100 Mbps than BMCP4K in ProRes, which comes in at about 800 Mbps.
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Also, in the UK, the preorders on GH4 include a free battery and battery grip, stated as a £316 (~ $500) value by Panasonic.

March 13, 2014 at 5:04PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

Whats the link to the comparison video?

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Did you see the specs on the new Nikon 1 V3? So much for the rumor it would be under $1000.00. It's $1200.00. And so much for the rumor it would have 4K video to the 30 minute limit. No 4K video. Though it will do 1080p at 60fps for 10 minutes.............. Ya, 10 minutes.

The big improvement is supposed to be the autofocus, "densely packed" focus points for tracking moving objects "better" than DSLR's.

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Oh, I had seen that one. GH4 won every time.

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Gene

Regarding the interface, maybe a 3rd party can produce a similar interface at a lower cost. For example, the DSTE GH3 battery grip costs a fraction of the OEM GH3 battery grip from Panasonic. Are there complex electronics in the interface, or is just a bunch of connections?

I'm pleased to see Panasonic remains committed to the MFT platform.

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Dave

I'm definitely buying the camera. As for the interface I just can't justify the price as there are options similar to what it provides. For audio, I can use my Tascam DR60D which has all the inputs and phantom features. The DR60 is $199 at BH. For the video with time code capability I am hopeful some company like Atomos would come out a 4K HDMI interface or might even provide a firmware upgrade for the Atomos Ninja I already own which does 422 10 bit today. The unit only cost $695. In total it sounds like one could get by only spending $894. Maybe I am missing something that makes the YAGH the way to go at the 2K price. If so, a clear explanation of the YAGH interface beside being Panasonic accessory from those who have used it will be helpful.

March 13, 2014 at 11:20PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Ellory

What's the point getting a recorder for $2000? For that price you can get 4 channel recorder and array of mics.. Is sync really that difficult these days? I have only done short passages but seemed to be rather easy..

March 13, 2014 at 11:38PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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zee

HDMI 1.4 and HDMI 2.0 both support 4K. Have Panasonic specified what HDMI spec the GH4 will support?
http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/4K.aspx
If they do, is there a HDMI 1.4/2.0 compatible 4K recorder on the market?
What 4K recorders will record the GH4 4K adapter's output? Maybe I've been under a rock, but I don't remember seeing many.

March 14, 2014 at 1:44PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Rob

I think they were using AJA Ki Pro Quad, which retails for around $4K. The prevailing assumption is that the 4K recorder market will take a leap forward during this upcoming NAB - three weeks away now! - from the $3K-$5K AJA and Convergent Design level down to $1.5K (feature for feature) or so with new units from companies like Atomos and Black Magic.

March 14, 2014 at 2:21PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

I'm getting this, and a Black Magic Pocket Camera.

March 14, 2014 at 9:48PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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kago

My review of my YAGH at Amazon and B&H:

In my opinion, this unit makes the GH4 into a professional video camera. However, it's certainly not perfect. I begged the Nikon guy at NAB 2013 to build something like this for the D800, but nothing yet. Panasonic is listening.

I'm commenting here with this very quick preliminary review because as of June 4, 2014, you cannot download the YAGH manual from Panasonic's website for details you may need.

1. Cost

It's more than the camera body, which is to say, really expensive. I can only hope the YAGH will fit future GH5 and GH6 camera bodies. Please, Panasonic: don't obsolete this thing.

2. Power

There is no internal battery. It has to have external power, supplied via the industry-standard 4-pin XLR. This is good and bad. Stated power requirement on the bottom plate is 12VDC at 1.4 amps. The camera can still work with its internal battery, but the YAGH will not work without external power in.

Power is applied to Pin 4, Ground to Pin 1. (Pins 2 and 3 are not used.) The manual says voltage can vary from 11VDC to 17VDC. This means any professional AC camera supply or brick battery like an Anton Bauer 14.4VDC will work. (I'm using a 12VDC battery pack built from ten NiMH D-cells and supplies 10,000 mAh. Should go all day.) You'll need a 4-pin extension power cord and drag the power supply with you. Hello battery belt? Sort of going backward. It would be great to have the ability to add lith-ion batteries somehow but perhaps it draws too much power for smaller cells.

When plugged in, the external power powers both YAGH and the GH4 body. The camera's battery can remain installed, but it not used. Good thing: you'd have to unmount the camera from the YAGH to change its battery.

Once the YAGH is attached to the camera, an "Interface Unit" menu appears on the "Motion Picture" tab. There are many options. One setting allows you to set low battery warnings at 11, 12.5, 13.5 and 15 volts. This is very professional.

3. Fan

Yes, it has a fan. You can barely hear it (can't hear it six inches away), but hot air blows out the left side when it's plugged in. I assume there's a lot of electronics inside to supply all the outputs. Have not demonstrated the fan can be heard by the camera-body's built in stereo mics.

4. Inputs:

a. the 4-pin XLR power plug

b. two, 3-pin XLR audio inputs, switchable between Line (0dB), Mic (-50dB) and 48VDC phantom power. A stereo/mono switch sends the signal from the left mic to both left and right channels. You can select which mics to use: the built-in stereo camera mics or the XLR inputs.

c. time code-in on one of the BNC connectors

d. the micro-HDMI plug that transfers the HDMI camera output signal to a full-sized HDMI on the YAGH unit. This HDMI interface is implemented clumsily; I hope there is a better reason than engineering laziness. It's basically a short Micro-to-Full HDMI extension cord. The dovetailed arm that sticks up on the left side of the unit holds the micro-HDMI cord with a plug. You mount the camera to the unit, open the rubber door on the camera's left side so that it sticks straight out of the camera, then slide the YAGH's dovetailed micro-HDMI plug into the camera, then tighten the tiny thumbscrew. The rubber door disappears into the dovetail arm and is not removed or abused by being bent back too far. This sturdy plastic arm with its metal dovetail very definitely protects the extremely fragile Micro-HDMI socket on the camera body. (I personally would not directly connect a cable into the camera. One yank and your camera is broken. I thought the Mini-HDMI plugs on Canon 5D's and Nikon D800's were bad. This Micro-HDMI is even smaller and weaker. The YAGH solves the problem.) It would have been better if Panasonic had routed the signal through the bottom of the camera, but that would mean another 15 pins down there, and it's already crowded. OTOH, if they had built a second micro-HDMI socket on the bottom and had a corresponding HDMI plug sticking up from the YAGH, that would have worked too.

e. One drawback of this HDMI interface method: if you screw the dovetail in, it takes up the whole left side of the camera and you cannot pivot the flip-out viewfinder down at all and upwards only about 5 degrees. The whole point of the pivoting viewfinder is the ability to frame low- or high-angle shots. If you don't need to remote the HDMI to the YAGH (say you're using the audio interface and DC in and not monitoring via the HDMI) you can let the dovetail hang there, flopping in the wind, and allow the viewfinder to rotate.

5. Outputs

a. full-sized HDMI socket under a rubber door on the left side outputs 4:2:2 8bit or 4:2:2 10bit. You can't record both internally and externally if in 10bit. You access this setting while in "Creative Video Mode." The 8bit is good for sending to an external monitor while recording to the card.

b. 4, SDI BNC connectors under a rubber door on the right side, marked 1, 2, 3 and 4. They output different signals based on the resolution of the recorded signal.
- any of the four BNCs can output a 1.5G HDSDI signal if resolution is set up to 1080-29.97p.
- 3G-SDI is output on BNCs 1 and 2 if you record in 1080-59.94p or 1080-50p
- 1.5G-SDI Square Division (whatever that is) is output on all four BNCs as a group if you want to output the Cinema C4K (4096x2160-24.00p) or Broadcast 4K (3840x2160-24.00p/23.98p/29.97p). Apparently you will need all four BNCs to get enough bandwidth to send the 4K signals to an external monitor or recorder.

6. Plug and socket covers

Minor point, but of some concern. The camera is not waterproof but is touted as "splash proof." To achieve this, rubber doors seal the camera all over. The bottom of the camera has two rubber seals that cover two sets of contacts -- one with five, one with 18 contacts. The YAGH unit has quite exposed corresponding spring-loaded pins sticking up. When you attach the camera to the YAGH, you obviously need to remove the four covers. There's no place to store them. You will want them if you split the units apart, especially the camera seals.

7. Audio Controls

a. two sets of 8-segment Ch1/2 LEDs indicating level: 4 green, 3 yellow, 1 red. There are no numbers anywhere I can find. No idea where -20dB is if you're sending tone to the unit from a mixer. All the manual says is that if the red LED lights, you're at 0dB.

b. two approx. 1/2" diameter knobs to adjust level, shielded by a clear cover so they won't get hit accidentally yet are easy enough to adjust during a take without shaking the camera or making noise

c. LED brightness is adjustable to either "Hi" or "Low" via the Interface Unit menu item under the Motion Picture tab

8. Mechanical

a. two locating pins register to the camera body and are held tightly via the 1/4-20 tripod socket. It really becomes a single unit

b. Both 3/8-16 and 1/4-20 threaded tripod mounts on the bottom. There's also a hole for the tripod plates that have an anti-rotation pin. Having both 3/8-16 and 1/4-20 allows you to use two screws to mount the YAGH to your tripod plate so it cannot rotate.

c. two 1/4-20 threaded holes are supplied on the lower front of the YAGH to allow mounting a set of matte box rods, once some third party supplier starts making the rod/rail adapter. The two holes are exactly 32mm apart and centered 85mm below the optical center of the lens, conforming to the 15mm Light Weight Support (LWS) standard. If you hang a Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8 on a Metabones Speed Booster, you will definitely need rod supports. The little GH4 simply cannot hold that kind of weight out front without really stressing the joint between the YAGH and GH4.

d. It's still not too giant for hand holding, but it's getting there. It's really designed to be tripod mounted.

e. Because the YAGH extends forward of the camera and slopes downward, if you use one, the Metabones Speed Booster tripod foot must be removed for the adapter to fit the camera while attached to the YAGH. Fortunately, Metabones allows this and supplies necessary Allen wrenches and caps.

f. One strange quirk: I hooked my Sound Devices 302 mixer to the YAGH with its Return audio monitoring the camera's headphone out, just like I do with any other video camera (Nikon D800, Sony, Panasonic) and I heard a terrible hum/noise if I monitored from the SD302's headphone return. If I plugged the headphones directly into the camera's jack the audio was clean. It sounded like an AC adapter ground problem, except both the YAGH and the SD302 were being powered by batteries. Again, did not effect the recorded audio -- just the monitoring through the return to the mixer. Present workaround is to plug the phones into the camera.

The audio itself is very clean and the 48V phantom powers my Audio Technica AT4073a great. May not even need a mixer.

Summary:

Overall, the YAGH is useful -- allows (well, requires) external power for long runtimes, protects the camera from HDMI socket damage, outputs all kinds of signals up to true 4K via SDI and HDMI, allows timecode input and allows professional audio inputs.

However, if you don't need external power, SDI-out or HDMI-out, a simple audio interface like the JuicedLink RM222 Dual-XLR Preamplifier with Phantom Power or a BeachTek DXA-SLR MINI PRO HDSLR Audio Adapter might suffice to get pro audio in.

June 10, 2014 at 8:01PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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