October 29, 2014

Odyssey7Q Monitor/Recorder Finally Gets 4K ProRes Support in New Firmware Update

When Convergent Design brought their Odyssey7 and Odyssey7Q to market, they combined the power of OLED monitoring and external 4K recording into one affordable unit. At NAB, Director of Communications Mitch Gross gave us a rundown on the new features of the 7Q, as well as some we can expect to see in the future, including 4-in-1 recording (to add to their 4-in-1 monitoring) that allows you to record four different sources at once.

Though that feature is still in the works, Convergent Design has announced that a new firmware update (v3.10.100) is now available. It adds some great new features and fixes to both the Odyssey7 and 7Q, the most exciting of which, however, is unequivocally 4K Apple ProRes recording support for the 7Q. We've got all of the new stuff listed below, but if you prefer to learn by watching Mitch Gross explaining it all as a puppet (who can honestly say they don't prefer that?), then check out this video by Ross Gerbasi.

New Features

  • Refreshed User InterfaceNewly simplified menus with easier, intuitive access to all functions.
  • HDMI Record TriggerStart/stop Odssey7 or Odyssey7Q on cameras supporting a trigger pulse over HDMI (Sony: FS700, FS100, a7S, etc., Canon: C100, 1DC, 5D mk3, etc.)
  • HDMI Timecode SupportFeed timecode to Odyssey7 or Odyssey7Q on cameras supporting timecode over HDMI (Sony: FS700, FS100, a7S, etc., Canon: C100, 1DC, 5D mk3, etc.)
  • Analog Audio InputRecord analog audio on Odyssey7 or Odyssey7Q via 3.5mm AUD IN port. Two- channel unbalanced or one-channel balanced input with gain adjustment from -99 to +44dB.
  • Headphone MuteOn/Off control for AUD OUT port.
  • Selectable Project Rate for HD Apple ProRes Recordings: In 1080p, Project Rate can now be set from 23.98 – 60fps or FOLLOWS INPUT.
  • Playback MarkersIn PLAY mode, reference up to 16 In & 16 Out points per clip. Used in conjunction with new CD APPLE PRORES TRANSFER UTILITY 1.4.4, a Final Cut Pro XML can transfer Markers to FCPX, FCP7, Adobe Premier and Resolve 10 & 1

New Features (Odyssey7Q Only)

  • 4K/UHD Apple ProRes Recording4K (4096×2160) Apple ProRes 422(HQ) at 23.98, 25 and 29.97 fps UHD (3840×2160) Apple ProRes 422(HQ) at 23.98, 25 and 29.97 fps Input via 4x SDI with full playback & scrubbing
  • 2K Apple ProRes Recording2K (2048×1080) Apple ProRes 422(HQ) at 23.98, 24, 25, 29.97, 50, 59.94 fps
  • FS7OO 4K RAW to UHD Apple ProResWith SONY FS RAW Record Option, input 4K RAW from FS7/FS700 and record UHD (3840×2160) video in Apple ProRes 422(HQ) at 23.98, 25 and 29.97 fps. Capture in S-Log2, REC709 or REC709(800%).

Fixes and Improvements

  • Fixed HDMI input legalization
  • Fixed Image tearing with interlaced & PSF signals
  • Fixed Pixel Zoom image blackout when dragged to corner IMPROVED PLAY mode audio sync
  • Fixed PLAY mode for ARRIRAW 24p
  • Improved PLAY mode scrubbing of RAW recordings IMPROVED PLAY mode RAW playback artifacts

If you already own an Odyssey and want to download the new firmware (v3.10.100), as well as instructions and the latest Odyssey7 and Odyssey7Q manuals, just head on over to Convergent Design. (Remember, you'll need an Odyssey SSD or Odyssey Utility Drive to get the update.) If you don't already own one, now might be a great time to snag one. The Odyssey7Q is still available at a discounted price of $1800, thought for a limited time, making it, as well as the $1300 Odyssey7 quite affordable for filmmakers wanting to find a OLED monitor/4K recorder combo on a budget.     

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So will this allow 4K out of the A7s? Anyone know?

I spoke with a guy at Convergent last week and he told me this was coming. He also described how big of a deal it is to have a license for 4K Prores. It takes a long time to get it and, apparently, Atomos does NOT have one for their Shogun which is supposed to release this month.

October 29, 2014 at 6:34PM

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Josh Paul
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Got all excited today to test out my 7q and a7s and couldn't get an image to the odyssey. I sat there for an hour trying to get things to work. Almost started crying when I saw this in the new 7q manual..... What a bummer.

"4K video currently supported over 4x SDI, not 2x 3G-SDI or HDMI."

October 29, 2014 at 7:25PM

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eric girgash
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Mitch announced that 4k over HDMI is coming (sooner rather than later), but it won't make it into this 4k update.

October 29, 2014 at 7:55PM

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Problem is the 7q can't record 4K to HDMI in it's current state. A new model with an updated HDMI would be needed. Maybe they have another solution but it won't be via HDMI.

October 30, 2014 at 12:20AM

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Erik Naso
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October 29, 2014 at 10:50PM

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Steven Huber
Director of Photography
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Hi Josh,

I work at Atomos, and this statement is untrue. Here is a statement from the CEO of Atomos:

In reference to the Atomos have approval for the license of 4K ProRes, until we ship the unit in its final form this month, this is when the announcement will go on the Apple website. Convergent Design has incorrect information and is completely incorrect in the above statement. Atomos and Apples relationship is very close, we have been partners for 4 years and continue to be the leader in ProRes recorders. It’s flattering that Convergent Design are so worried about the Shogun, however making things up and hoping we “don’t” have a license is wishful thinking. We are in the business of partnering with Apple to sell ProRes devices. We can record from the GH4 and A7S, we include all codec options in the box, we allow you to use affordable $200 media not $800 media, we give you everything in the box. Let the games begin in November - we love competition and we are 100% focused on our products, not what competitors are doing - that is how you lead markets :)

Jeromy Young - CEO Atomos.

October 29, 2014 at 11:27PM

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Laying it down...

October 29, 2014 at 11:58PM, Edited October 29, 11:58PM

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Luke Neumann
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Nice :)

While your at it, I understand that the atomos 4k recorder is also going to be a 7 inch one. Are you also planning to make smaller versions. I would love to get 4k on my A7s, but walking around with such a huge monitor on top kinda defeats the purpose of being mobile and small for those run 'n gun types of work.

October 30, 2014 at 5:16AM

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Gerbert Floor
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Hey Gerbert,

Thanks for the suggest, we have heard this from multiple users.

Regards,
-Brooke | atomos.com

October 30, 2014 at 6:34PM

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Hey, don't shoot the messenger... I don't care about any of these brands. I just want 4K over HDMI.

October 30, 2014 at 3:31PM

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Josh Paul
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Hi Josh,

I understand, it can just damage a brand that's all.

You get 4K over HDMI with the Shogun, the A7s is looking great in 4K.

Regards,
-Brooke | atomos.com

October 30, 2014 at 6:35PM

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And I also understand this wasn't your intention.

Thanks Josh, check out the Shogun in Nov to see if it's a product that meets your requirements.

-Brooke

October 30, 2014 at 6:44PM, Edited October 30, 6:44PM

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What can the Odyssey 7Q record without having to buy a license for? Or does every type of recording involve licensing? Anyone know?

October 29, 2014 at 6:55PM

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That should have been mentioned in the article too. The entire Q7 package, including media and one-code licenses, runs about $4K. Sony ran a promo late summer that had Fs-700+Q7+256 GB worth of media+some mini rig for $14K. Since then, Fs-700 dropped $2K off its MSRP and Q7 is on sale as well but I don't think the full package is being offered anymore, making it $10K total (with 256 SSD and Sony Raw). On the positive side, having a Pro Res 4:4:2 option now allows for a better compression and more recording time.

October 30, 2014 at 1:45PM

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Dan Leo
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Can it record 4K from the GH4?
Also in 4K photo mode?

October 29, 2014 at 8:47PM

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Not via HDMI.

October 30, 2014 at 12:21AM

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Erik Naso
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Shogun can record over HDMI in 4K, we are working closely with Panasonic Japan and Sony Japan to ensure our products work as intended with these affordable 4K cameras.

http://www.atomos.com/shogun/

Cheers,
-Brooke

October 30, 2014 at 6:39PM

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Mitch the Interview Puppet said you can record 4K UHD from the GH4 via the YAGH unit's four SDI outputs. Each output delivers 1/4 of the UHD (3840x2160) frame. This is also why UHD is also known as "Quad-HD."
So, yes, apparently, the 7Q can record GH4 UHD.

For our 7Q, it costs $800 over the basic hardware price to purchase the license to record 4K on our FS700.

November 2, 2014 at 6:36PM

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A good option to have in count.

October 30, 2014 at 7:33AM

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Ragüel Cremades
Film producer and director
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Very excited about this update. The 7Q has been a great recorder for the FS700 and produces excellent results. Now lets just get 4K60 Prores ;)

October 30, 2014 at 5:01PM

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James Poremba
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Tempting.... but still waiting on the Atomos Shogun. Not being locked into proprietary media is a big thing for me.

October 30, 2014 at 9:58PM, Edited October 30, 9:57PM

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David Peterson
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My media department owns two FS700's and two 7Q's.

The 7" OLED monitors and the focus assist and other features are terrific. But it'll cost you.

Buying the 7Q is only the beginning. The unit comes in a cardboard box with a wall wart AC power supply. That's it.

- Want a battery? Buy one. Or two.
- Want to charge the battery? Buy a charger.
- Want a battery plate to hold the battery on the monitor's backside? Buy one.
- Want a way to mount the monitor to the camera? Buy an arm or hot shoe ball joint.
- Want a thin, short, flexible BNC SDI cable that meets Convergent Design's 4K specs? Buy one from them.
- Want a case to protect your investment and accessories? Buy one.
- Want to record 4K? Buy an $800 license...for each camera brand you want to record from. The Arri license is different from the Sony license. If you have both cameras, you buy both licenses. There is something about "renting" a license for a short period, but somehow that's kind of a pain and still costs you each time you want to shoot.
- Want to record onto an SSD? Buy proprietary media. 512gb SSD: $800.
- Want to record 4K RAW? Buy two SSD and RAID them.
(At least the ProRes 4K should allow use of only one SSD to record.)
- Want to plug the media into your computer so you can download it? Buy an adapter.

My Atomos Ninja-2 (1080p ProRes via HDMI only) came with everything but media, and the media was way less expensive, off-the-shelf. Even includes a Firewire 800 transfer adapter. Batteries, charger, ball joint hot shoe mount, two SSD caddies, protective case, all included. Not sure what the Shogun will include, but it won't take much to be a better deal considering how bare the 7Q was when it arrived. OTOH, not sure how good the Shogun's monitor brightness, sharpness and focus assist/peaking/zoom will be. I can attest that the 7Q is really, really nice to shoot video with and its touch screen is a breeze to use.

Not to pile on Convergent Design, but one of the Sony battery holders -- custom made for the 7Q -- was so badly warped during injection molding that I could not fit a battery into it.

And, worse, one of the 7Q's had to be sent back to the factory directly out of the box because it simply would not fire up. The service department was responsive and did regroove it quickly and sent it back, but it feels like we have a used device before we even recorded a single frame on it.

You can record 1080 out of the box. And the monitor is a work of art. And it is very lightweight and thin. Just don't think you can buy one and start recording 4K.

November 2, 2014 at 7:13PM, Edited November 2, 7:13PM

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Thanks for the heads up Dan! Good to know all the nuances from a current user.

November 4, 2014 at 1:56PM

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Justin Miller
Director/DP/Editor
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Just downloaded and updated our 7Q's to 3.10.100 firmware. Very nice.

Where before we could only record 4096 4K uncompressed RAW, which produced really giant files and had to be transcoded to ProRes before we could edit, now we can record directly to ProRes HQ 4096 or Quad HD 3840.

I proved this afternoon that I could record 3840x2160 23.98 or 29.97 Quad HD ProRes 4:2:2 10 bit from my Panasonic GH4 YAGH unit's four SDI BNC outputs to the four SDI BNC inputs on the 7Q and record to a single SSD. Changing the GH4 to 24.00 fps frequency I was also able to record 4096x2160 to the SSD. Audio comes down the SDI to the 7Q.

The only thing the 7Q is not capable of is changing aspect ratios so that I can shoot anamorphic and see the image unsqueezed on the monitor. It does have 2.39 guide lines if you are cropping your image, but it doesn't allow you to stretch the image like my SmallHD DP4 does. Admittedly, that is a real nit.

Another nit is that I can't command the 7Q to go into record via SDI trigger when connected to my GH4, even though the GH4 menu has a "turn on SDI trigger" item. Just doesn't talk to the 7Q.

Overall, the 7Q is really nice. This new firmware update allows you to record 4K ProRes out of the box without having to buy the $800 license to record RAW formats.

The quality appears to be exceptional.

November 15, 2014 at 9:08PM, Edited November 15, 9:08PM

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